Carnivore Diet

[RebelWithACause]

Why are these dudes in health spheres, especially hairtesting weird as fuck. Even other dieters are batshit crazy.

Wish there was some normal-ish people. But those people seem to be more busy with living life. Obviously.

 

[bruschi11]

Why are these dudes in health spheres, especially hairtesting weird as fuck. Even other dieters are batshit crazy.

Wish there was some normal-ish people. But those people seem to be more busy with living life. Obviously.

I worked with Clark . Right when I spiraled in July 2021. I was wrong to get an htma guy in the picture. One of my biggest regrets.

They all basically know nothing about health and just talk about how minerals affect ratios on a hair test. With no background of WHY it affects the ways minerals move on a hair test.

Like manganese. If increases ornithine from arginine. And histidine from carnosine. They’ll just say manganese increases sodium. And they don’t look at any labs other than an htma.

And then they think they’re smarter then you when a program goes wrong and you get way worse. Yes mineral balancing and chelation can dump metals and do more like killing infections. But when you’re healing you know if something is a crash or a healing reaction.

Sometimes it can be hard to tell immediatley….. but you stop the supps you’re like 10x worse. You know you got fucked up. It was just like the way Finasteride or a hormone fucked you up. Cuz vitamins and minerals are strong and can change things rapidly As we know.

 

[MNK99]

HTMA by itself and keeping up plenty of good habits seems way better. I thought tei helped you but then sometimes it really hurt you @bruschi11?

Clark told you you weren't pushing minerals through or like pushing through the program?

Many of them seem to be charlatans. That sucks.

health spheres may have lots of weirdos but I always think it's best to be your own role model, but when in a rut... some other guidance an help.

 

[MNK99]

I like this guy... in case anyone ever forgets how trash these "meds" are (mostly, for many people).

SUPPOSEDLY: on a benzo video, this guy may charge 45k usd for tapering schedules. WOW. water fast... or carnivore much better.

" @Tempo50
1 month ago
I lost all respect for this man when I saw his fees. He charges $45,000 for 12 months taper program. All you have to do is prescribe medications and monitor progress. If the taper is slow there would be little to no intervention needed. Initial consultation $500 for 50 minutes =$10 a minute ( better not be any pauses) $4500 PER month for the first 3 months, then $3500 per month after. People don’t need this, they just need a taper schedule!

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@lov305mia
1 month ago
Had no idea , I understand everyone has to make a living but 45k a year??? ..profiting from people at their lowest is disgusting! But hey I'm sure he'll rationalize every way he can ,greed always does that

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@revelations2798
8 days ago
Yikes"

 

[MNK99]

Canada wants us to live like GAZA .

 

[RebelWithACause]

Yup Canada went crazy it seems since COVID

 

[bruschi11]

This makes me very anxious to commit to TEI. I have high hopes for their programme, but I know hair tests have limitations and ideally I should cross reference it with other labs and maybe adjust their recs. If only I knew how. I'm a musician, not a scientist and it's all gets more complicated the longer I look at it.

For average person. If you’re capable of working walking around doing things lol. I think these programs have a shot of helping and could help big time. Like really get you on track.

It’s the people with advanced disease states. That have to become scientists themselves and go at it manually.

If you could handle a 25 day fast I think it’s possible if not probable tei could help you

 

[MNK99]

Why are these dudes in health spheres, especially hairtesting weird as fuck. Even other dieters are batshit crazy.

Wish there was some normal-ish people. But those people seem to be more busy with living life. Obviously.

Yeah no kidding... Hard to show people. I have showed some people the Hair tests tho.

 

[MNK99]

OZEPH is 20-30 yrs older than many of us and he is doing damn well on CARNIVORE 5.5 years. I do see that yeah at times I was raw vegan.. and different diets and restrictions at different times.
He is on Propecia Help. He's one of the good ones, I can tell.

WOW. That guy is 6'5 and 280 230lbs ortho surgeon. Dr. Shawn Baker. He was 280-300lb and an athlete. Some of my bro's friends (punjabi) were hockey players and all in college and are ortho surgeons. they are usually athletes. Anyways 6'5. this doc was talking about competing with fuckers that are 6'7 340 lbs. those are big and meaty boys yo.

I want to balance more.

30 yrs ago ev1 was into running. 20 15 yrs ago weights.
I think as a kid ppl used to say it stunts growth nonsense.
YOUR KIDS should be lifting and eating meat asap. OTHERWISE you're a shitty parent.

 

[RebelWithACause]

A lot of these dudes look like they are on TRT. I saw a lot of videos of tribal people and people living in the wild who ate primarily meat and look way different from him. Much skinnier and less water retention. Plus they earn money with their agenda and products they sell.

Like this:

Never see this shape in natural environments lol.

 

[MNK99]

WTF is that Shawn Baker MD or just a guy that looks like him? I was gonna show you him. DUDE years and years of working out plus genes but yeah I was jacked and ripped (though not nearly as tall nor big as these guys).

Oh you're saying they are actually on TRT true many may be but... still I have seen lots of them talk about depression, anxiety, autism, arthritis and other stuff. Many ailments have been healed and reverse.
I am trying to learn more. I know there is an overweight carnivore chef but he is not pure.

Shawn Baker MD

Dr. Shawn Baker MD is an orthopedic surgeon, international speaker, best-selling author, and world champion athlete. A leading authority on nutritional therapy, he raises awareness about the impact of nutrition on chronic diseases and serves as the CMO of Revero. 🎉 Join us today at revero.com/yt

www.youtube.com

Shawn Baker was always huge and an athlete but he lost 50lbs. EVEN J. B. Peterson lost 60lbs on Carnivore and his mental illness mostly went away.

EDIT: yeah it is, that is who we were talking about and I image searched him. Yeah he may be on TRT but he also lifted weights and played rugby or whatever some sports forever. He was like a national champion or near it. Maybe he is on TRT but he started carnivore at like 45 or 50 or maybe even later.

 

[MNK99]

Different Genes dude with the tribal people. BUT look at the Brazillian Indiginous and people with some similar genes as them:
Alex Pereira.

SOME of the indiginous are bone ripped but yeah there are people that do carnivore plus gh and test replacement. I just want to be all natural minus my ADHD medicine if need be.

Otherwise maybe the HCG DHT stuff makes sense and PALEO and balancing.
I feel like balancing will come by quicker again on carnivore but yeah I responded to PALEO great and water fasting great... BUT* forever diet? maybe I can just eat a steak of different kinds at night and some eggs.

Everyday and never have to think about it.

Maybe even raw carnivore and water like some people but probably not. Someone did that here right?

I am mostly considering trying it for mental health and then physical health but fat loss and also balancing and mood and anxiety but also sexual health. REMEMBER KETO is recommended by TEI for slow 1.
I did paleo and was balanced balanced but that was after fasting in jan and feb and then lifting and working hard, with ru486, randro/4andro, electrolytes protocol, spinach and electrolytes and meat for dinner and rice.. and also.. some mineral balancing despite looking balanced.

I won't be buying supps outside of TEI most likely or HCL and enzymes etc. I mostly see Dr. Shawn Baker eating steaks and watching tik tokers and smirking LOL.
But also I saw both his Joe Rogan Exp episodes lately (saw one before I think).

Are you saying it isn't likely to help me@RebelWithACause ?
You saying just do TEI and eat balanced?? I like the theoretical simplicity of only eating cow and egg and elk etc and various fauna.

Maybe occasionally I'd eat berries and or rice or some carbs. I am thinking that I will find the appropriate food lists and add other stuff.

I know Dr. Paul Saladino (formerly Carnivore MD) quit carnivore... but he looked amazing. Ripped and surfed all day and literally ate only meat mostly.

We are our own heroes but sometimes someone else can help you kickstart a new diet model.

 

[bruschi11]

I’m starting by this weekend lol. Prob not fully carnivore but a keto diet for a bit Mostly meat.

I think a big mistake of mine was in 2021 “I can’t fast anymore”. I couldn’t and have only been able to for a short time in 2022 since.

Short term keto diets should’ve been the answer to that.

 

[MNK99]

Nice bro I hope it goes well for you.. which version of carnivore are you gonna try? Some pure carnivore. OH Keto carnivore... (or what some call: "ketovore").

I think it will. You are a slow oxidizer like me I think. WIth strength training, paleo or near it and some carbs backloading helped me a lot. BUT I just want to be like in 2019 2020 2021 never thinking about health tm and just focusing and working and being healthy/content.

I made mistakes falling off super strict diet but also maybe abandoning TEI. Maybe weed edibles and medical cannibus and then distraction, with leverage trading and avoidance of others.
I think I would have been balanced as fuck continuing TEI. Talked to Slayo, Swaz and others back in the day they said you are pretty close to balancing. Even Helen was shocked here.

NO ONE TOLD ME DO TEI forever?? WTF.

There's this woman Ana Biology or whatever she says she did carnivore, maybe paleo, raypeating and the most sane and balanced are TEI people. I also continued to water fast and maybe 2021 2022 4-5 days was harder. BUT at some point was very very lean. Now with extra fat yeah I could fast longer again... BUT in a couple yrs sexual health and mood and distractibility may happen agn...

IDK man.. I convinced Catherine that I will still use dexedrine, occasional lith orotate, and intermittent fasting on TEI. SO maybe dex and carnivore would be fine too.
MAYBE balance so much I don't take it at all. KEEP In mind I barely have taken it for 2 years or so and it hasn't been a great time. Need it... helps mood and focusing and planning shyt a lot.
NOT sure I would have gotten anywhere with PFS if not for incorporating My ADHD medicine at some time. My goal isn't no meds forever, but optimized. I count orthomolecular medicine as meds anyways.

Ever try just steak and eggs? OR Meat and water or raw meat and water (not advising this last one)? @bruschi11

Also did you try transdermal test cream on the scrotum? 100-200mg/ml? My pharmacist changed my 20 percent solution to like 5 or 2.5 or something... but whatever she did it is 40mg/ml. NOT enough.
I barely used it. barely stuck to test enanthate either.

 

[MNK99]

--this woman has lots of stuff on twitter, youtube. and a site. IDK. she has some good guests.. but I don't want to become a hair test psycho just to be healthy and optimal. I will do what needs to be done tho.
--All these people still seem quite unbalanced but whatever I am sure they got better over time. Maybe not exercising much or just started.

 

[MNK99]

His resume, physique, and arguments destroy those of his vegan detractors.
Some docs look 30 yrs older and some horrible and they try and break down his arguments (they are processed food shills or mistaken).

Dr. Shawn Baker MD

Meet Dr. Shawn Baker MD who has reversed chronic, autoimmune, and mental diseases with his approach of the carnivore diet, with 1000+ students and more.

carnivore.diet

HE SAYS leave coffee in if you are a coffee drinker. K. 4-5mo then decide if you want or not. I see, I will treat dex the same. And try with and without dex and or coffee.
HALF ditch it and feel great. 2bn coffees drank per day.
Others not so much ya.

Dr. Chaffe seems to not like it... coffee. He is a neurosurgeon in Aus (from America). Seed... I mean come on. BUT yeah... NO one can be perfect. I vaped nicotine. I smoked during my first water fast a few days and it still helped my life amazingly (but yeah I wouldn't again. Some vaping fine for me).

--FERTILITY improved from DR. CHAFFEE women had first cycle agn in 5 yrs and got pregnant etc. PCOS gone w no carbs good.

--notes:
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keeping perfect diet 2018 or even near near it but just some takeout 2019 2020 and paleo plus minerals i think all issues ever near cured.
but... with carnivore maybe i can get there agn... and won't have to be indecisive/ unsure of what to do after.

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Some kids (their parents) put them on Paleo. SOME probably not many do carnivore. AND more than that do HTMA and mineral balancing.

--pretty hard to eat and ex perfectly forever and realistically without ADHD medicine and huge motivn i wouldn't have. big changes can come w crnvr or water fasting etc. ev1 different a bit.

 

[MNK99]

--Some notes from these Raypeatres (some are good).

Deconstructing The Carnivore Diet Superpowers​

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• Start dateMar 22, 2020

GreekDemiGod​

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Many of us on this forum have done the Carnivore Diet. There are amazing libido benefits that people experience on the diet. Granted, sometimes it's not long-term as it was in my case, but I was thinking on how we can extract and get the same benefits on a Peat-inspired diet.
I got some of my hardest erections ever on Carnivore.

I’ve tried literally every diet (not joking) and eating only fatty beef, salt, and water is probably the worst thing you can do for semen retention BECAUSE IT MAKES YOU SO DAMN VIRILE AND HORNY. It’s like being on adderall, viagra, and anabolic steroids at once. Check out zerocarb reddit or google “carnivore diet” best thing I ever did
So what's exactly the secret here and how we can get the same benefits without the negatives?
Is it the high-protein intake? The high animal (saturated) fat intake? The high nutrient density? The Creatine, Carnitine? The high cholesterol?

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I think it’s all of the above.

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As is often the case, the link could have been totally casual and experience anecdotal. Sorry but this isn't worth a thread. I’ve had really good sex lately right after being pissed off full of adrenalin and cortisol. So maybe there’s your answer right there. Unless the connection was also casual and the experience anecdotal. People also get very horny on high sugar diets. And go flaccid on low carb.

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@Auslander There are countless anecdotes on meatheals dot com, FB groups. Men generally see a dramatic increase in libido when going Carnivore, that is the norm. Of course, there are opposite cases, too, but I bet that's a low percentage.

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Btw don’t people taking anabolic steroids have their balls invariably shrink to the size of dried raisins? Perhaps not the best analogy for horniness.

Redsun:
Highly dependent on what you were eating beforehand but fatty red meat as the sole food can work for quite a while and give high libido because it has most things needed for libido though the B vitamins can be lacking if its just muscle meat. It wouldnt be an issue right away and for some seemingly never.

Its high in iron, zinc, B6 which can dramatically lower prolactin and that alone can raise sex drive. Usually the lower the prolactin the higher the sex drive (higher dopamine of course).

It also has all the amino acids needed for sexual function in liberal quantities. Arginine, histidine, tyrosine/phenylalanine, for example... Non-meat foods like milk and eggs lack arginine for nitric oxide, a basic thing needed you will easily have a low intake of if you don't eat meat.

Also the B3, B6, zinc, iron content helps making steroid hormones which are absolutely essential. The other B vitamins play a role as well but meat has the major ones for that.

A carnivore diet that incorporated organs would be even more sufficient in all the nutrients I just mentioned. You would get massive amounts of cholesterol and choline adding in organs which are pro-sexual nutrients while just steaks dont have as much cholesterol and choline in comparison.


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It's an impressive physique! but I doubt he is being 100%honest here.

Does anyone remember when he mysteriously dropped like 30 lbs of muscle? He looks kind of sick/emaciated at the timestamp in this video:
View: https://youtu.be/M8ikTdEGE2A?t=103


I don't know what is going on with the rapid body composition changes but it doesn't seem natty

A lot of influencers don’t consider regular TRT to be “steroids” things like tren or whatever. So they’ll say they are steroid free despite having supraphysiological TRT. He probably includes HGH and an aromatase inhibitor as not steroids.

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So why don’t people who are older and closer to death want to breed more..?

Try it, take some stress blocking substance that has profound effects. Your libido is gonna drop and you will feel euphoric, childish. When my stress hormones are up I always have this lust to have sex with girls and go partying to have some occasional sex.

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Try it, take some stress blocking substance that has profound effects. Your libido is gonna drop and you will feel euphoric, childish. When my stress hormones are up I always have this lust to have sex with girls and go partying to have some occasional sex.

I’m not talking about taking drugs. I meant in the natural setting. So maybe we are talking about different things

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I’m not talking about taking drugs. I meant in the natural setting. So maybe we are talking about different things

Yeah, maybe we talk about different things.
Natural setting, but living in Canada seems pretty utopic, so yes definetly different things.


--some other shyt:

Need Help With Acne On Forehead​

yes i had very severe forehead acne, and it has gone away with the carnivore diet
Testosterone Optimization On RP-inspired Nutrition
I had my highest Total and free T levels on the Carnivore Diet.

• GreekDemiGod
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• Healing a cavity logi used to have perfect strong teeth when i was on the carnivore diet. as i transitioned to the ray peat diet my dental health has only gone downhill. as i increased sugar intake it only got worse. these last couple of months i have been under-eating, super stressed, overworked, haven't been...

 

[MNK99]

My type of Doctor... not like those Lapband surgery/soyboy beta cucks (biggest loser, lapband weight loss surgeons some, soy doctors, general practioners).
I am an elitist growing up around docs. He lost asthma with carnivore like me and tei and fasting and paleo... and he dropped 23lbsof fat and water removing veggies. Nice. IN 2 weeks or so.

 

[RebelWithACause]

WTF is that Shawn Baker MD or just a guy that looks like him? I was gonna show you him. DUDE years and years of working out plus genes but yeah I was jacked and ripped (though not nearly as tall nor big as these guys).

Oh you're saying they are actually on TRT true many may be but... still I have seen lots of them talk about depression, anxiety, autism, arthritis and other stuff. Many ailments have been healed and reverse.
I am trying to learn more. I know there is an overweight carnivore chef but he is not pure.

Shawn Baker MD

Dr. Shawn Baker MD is an orthopedic surgeon, international speaker, best-selling author, and world champion athlete. A leading authority on nutritional therapy, he raises awareness about the impact of nutrition on chronic diseases and serves as the CMO of Revero. 🎉 Join us today at revero.com/yt

www.youtube.com

Shawn Baker was always huge and an athlete but he lost 50lbs. EVEN J. B. Peterson lost 60lbs on Carnivore and his mental illness mostly went away.

EDIT: yeah it is, that is who we were talking about and I image searched him. Yeah he may be on TRT but he also lifted weights and played rugby or whatever some sports forever. He was like a national champion or near it. Maybe he is on TRT but he started carnivore at like 45 or 50 or maybe even later.

Shawn Baker had like 0 testosterone on his bloodwork. Which could mean 2 things:

1. He was on TRT/steroids and got off for the blood test
or
2. The carnivore diet lowered his testosterone

I've never seen a guy with low testosterone look like him. Although could be meat because it's high in iron the body lowers testosterone by itself and you still build the muscles from the meat. Body doesn't need to retain as much. Or it's the massive amount of exercise he does. Who knows.

I did a very high meat diet for years. Now I can't handle insane amounts of meat anymore. Maybe too much phosphorus and iron in my body now. Now I do better on lower meat diets and actually have less mental illness that way. It's about the balance for sure. I used to not believe that stuff because I hadn't experienced it.

Animal products def. highest availability nutrient wise

But temporary carnivore could def. be good. Depends probably on your mineral status and maybe genetics.

 

[MNK99]

Thanks man. Good info. It makes sense... I didn't even know his bloodwork was posted wtf. For sure, he is on TRT most likely. I have seen carnivore raise some guys test and such, but possibly not his.
I agree zero test in bloodwork means testing issue (alcohol or staying up all night) or more likely on exogenous test or steroids or sarms (his would be Test. He isn't doing sarms and shyt).