Carnivore & Keto diet: Who has tried it?

Nina

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Lately i’ve been doing some research on the Carnivore diet (meat only) and the Keto diet (allows anything as long as you are under 20 carbs/day). It seems very interesting for certain health issues like fatigue, brain fog, skin disorders (acne, oily/dry skin, eczema etc.)

I am wondering, has anyone here tried going Keto or Carnivore and if so, how did it go for you? Did it help you at all? What did your diet look like?
 

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I've seen a few people on PH have good luck with it. I haven't had the discipline to try it honestly, so I'm interested in hearing about results here

I believe @Helen said it was related to NADPH or something. I can't remember exactly.
 

Nina

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I've seen a few people on PH have good luck with it. I haven't had the discipline to try it honestly, so I'm interested in hearing about results here

I believe @Helen said it was related to NADPH or something. I can't remember exactly.

Yeah same. I have done keto before but did weekly refeeds so its not a good trial.
 

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I've done a mix of keto and carnivore for months at a time. Longest was maybe a year straight with only a few cheats. No health benefits at all from either diet. Weight was easier to maintain though. Pfs makes me gain weight very easily unless i heavily calorie restrict myself. Now i just do intermittent fasting bc I was tired of eating steaks every day. Weight has been dropping fast.
 

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I've done a mix of keto and carnivore for months at a time. Longest was maybe a year straight with only a few cheats. No health benefits at all from either diet. Weight was easier to maintain though. Pfs makes me gain weight very easily unless i heavily calorie restrict myself. Now i just do intermittent fasting bc I was tired of eating steaks every day. Weight has been dropping fast.

Interesting. It seems the reactions to a carnivore diet are very different among people. Some people get a lot better while others get no benefits at all
 

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I'm not on either of those but i have tried a "epi-paleo" diet which was basically a seafood ketogenic diet before for 1 month.

My health improved a lot, and my white tongue went away for the first time ever

After reading about SIBO, I suspect i have it... so i might try a low carb paleo diet for awhile, maybe even keto.

I'm thinking something like:
Beef mince + frozen veggies (no corn or high carb veggies) + olive oil + spices as the main food
Soaked nuts for a snack
Mixed berries / soy milk for a milkshake treat at night to help me sleep.

And i guess i'd get rid of the soy milk if i wanted to go strict keto, but i dont like the idea of the inflexibility of that diet. hmm.
 

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I had some real issues with keto. Didn't get on with that at all. I would definitely try and ensure anyone who does it gets plenty of soluble fibre (from things like beans, lentils, seeds etc) in addition to insoluble fibre from fruit and veg. I didn't realise at the time.

Some people seem to get great results from it though, I watched loads of people on YouTube who were basically doing keto as a lifestyle, and were in amazing shape, and seemingly excellent health.
 

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I had some real issues with keto. Didn't get on with that at all. I would definitely try and ensure anyone who does it gets plenty of soluble fibre (from things like beans, lentils, seeds etc) in addition to insoluble fibre from fruit and veg. I didn't realise at the time.

Some people seem to get great results from it though, I watched loads of people on YouTube who were basically doing keto as a lifestyle, and were in amazing shape, and seemingly excellent health.

What kind of effect did it have on you? How did you feel on it?
 

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What kind of effect did it have on you? How did you feel on it?

I didn't feel good! No energy, no motivation, but the main issue was it seemed to completely stop 'peristalsis'. It was like everything from my stomach down just turned to concrete. A few articles said this can happen to start with, but it just stayed the same. After more than a week like that I had to introduce gluten free breads and then things slowly started to go back to normal. I can only assume it was a lack of soluble fibre. I've no plans to try it again though!
 

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BTW a lot of people from Weston Price Foundation are dropping like flies in early age:

- Kim Schuette, a WAPF board member and nutritionist associated with promotion of FCLO, died earlier this week, Christmas day, at age 59. She is one of three WAPF-associated individuals who have died of glioblastoma brain cancer.

Cherie Calvert, who was a founding member of the WAPF board, died in late November of breast cancer; she was 63. Calvert wasn’t known to have recommended or taken the FCLO, but had remained with the board as it fought off demands that it step back from its enthusiastic endorsement of the Green Pasture product.

Jessica Earle was a long-time WAPF enthusiast and mother, who died last month at age 44, also of glioblastoma stage IV. She was unusual in that she lived for six years with the brain cancer, apparently benefiting from treatment by a prominent alternative practitioner. She had a blog chronicling her illness and sought funds to help defray costs of her treatment.

Eoin Miller, a WAPF chapter leader in Ireland, died in late 2017 from liver cancer. He was a GAPS practitioner and exercise scientist, and was only 34. He left behind a wife and young child. He promoted FCLO and is understood to have taken it.

Katherine Czapp, who had been editor for the WAPF journal Wise Traditions, died in late 2016 at age 60. She died of a type of colorectal cancer, as did her husband about a year before she did. Both were understood to have been users of FCLO

Carol Esche, a nurse and a former board member of WAPF, died in late 2016 of metastatic breast cancer. It’s not known if she took FCLO. She was 59.

Lauren Feder Haarpaintner, the author of a book on natural pregnancy, died in late 2015 of bone cancer at age 55. She was understood to have promoted FCLO on her web site.

Chris Decker was a gifted naturopath, who was diagnosed in 2014 with a strange abdominal cancer that was so fast and vicious that oncologists couldn’t figure out what was going on. In early 2015, she pleaded for donations on her Facebook page: “As far as the MDs are concerned, the prognosis is pretty dismal. There is however, an enormous amount that natural medicine can do, and I’m seeing two wonderful cancer specialists.

Weston Price Foundation is high meat, high fat diet. A lot of people from carnivore promote Weston Price and the Weston Price Foundation.

I also read on Dr. Wilson's website that Weston Price diet often causes breast cancer and other cancers.

I guess Helen was right as well.

Is this lack of potassium and fiber? Or too much copper from liver? Too much fat? Whatever it is it is not looking good. All cancers (brain, bone, breast) wtf!
 
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happenstance

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BTW a lot of people from Weston Price Foundation are dropping like flies in early age:

- Kim Schuette, a WAPF board member and nutritionist associated with promotion of FCLO, died earlier this week, Christmas day, at age 59. She is one of three WAPF-associated individuals who have died of glioblastoma brain cancer.

Cherie Calvert, who was a founding member of the WAPF board, died in late November of breast cancer; she was 63. Calvert wasn’t known to have recommended or taken the FCLO, but had remained with the board as it fought off demands that it step back from its enthusiastic endorsement of the Green Pasture product.

Jessica Earle was a long-time WAPF enthusiast and mother, who died last month at age 44, also of glioblastoma stage IV. She was unusual in that she lived for six years with the brain cancer, apparently benefiting from treatment by a prominent alternative practitioner. She had a blog chronicling her illness and sought funds to help defray costs of her treatment.

Eoin Miller, a WAPF chapter leader in Ireland, died in late 2017 from liver cancer. He was a GAPS practitioner and exercise scientist, and was only 34. He left behind a wife and young child. He promoted FCLO and is understood to have taken it.

Katherine Czapp, who had been editor for the WAPF journal Wise Traditions, died in late 2016 at age 60. She died of a type of colorectal cancer, as did her husband about a year before she did. Both were understood to have been users of FCLO

Carol Esche, a nurse and a former board member of WAPF, died in late 2016 of metastatic breast cancer. It’s not known if she took FCLO. She was 59.

Lauren Feder Haarpaintner, the author of a book on natural pregnancy, died in late 2015 of bone cancer at age 55. She was understood to have promoted FCLO on her web site.

Chris Decker was a gifted naturopath, who was diagnosed in 2014 with a strange abdominal cancer that was so fast and vicious that oncologists couldn’t figure out what was going on. In early 2015, she pleaded for donations on her Facebook page: “As far as the MDs are concerned, the prognosis is pretty dismal. There is however, an enormous amount that natural medicine can do, and I’m seeing two wonderful cancer specialists.

Weston Price Foundation is high meat, high fat diet. A lot of people from carnivore promote Weston Price and the Weston Price Foundation.

I also read on Dr. Wilson's website that Weston Price diet often causes breast cancer and other cancers.

I guess Helen was right as well.

Is this lack of potassium and fiber? Or too much copper from liver? Too much fat? Whatever it is it is not looking good. All cancers (brain, bone, breast) wtf!

Fermented cod liver oil.
 

happenstance

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I read somewhere that their FCLO didn't really contain as much vitamin A as advertised, so maybe they died of vitamin A deficiency? ;)
 

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I was taking NOW fish oil but threw that shit away. You think fish oil would be healthy to supplement but a lot of fish is farmed these days. You end up eating straight up poison. A lot of sushi uses farmed fish as well. If you pursue keto/carnivore, you have to make sure all your meat is quality which most people don't do.