Dr. Crisler

[bruschi11]

Committed suicide this past month.

Dr. John Crisler Has Passed

I met him once and talked to him on a few occasions. He was an anti-aging doctor who was actually pro-aging with his hormonal treatments.

He was very much anti-Helen. “Hormones age people.”

Let’s just be real here... we have doctor who proclaims HRT as savior. Who then has heart attack in 2016 and commits suicide in 2019.

I’m sure that HRT is not route to health with that in hand.

 

[vicecaz]

Edit; RIP

 

[Helen]

WTF bruschi , was he PFS? I thought he was a DR who ran tons of people from propeciahelp etc . no?

 

[Helen]

Committed suicide this past month.

Dr. John Crisler Has Passed

I met him once and talked to him on a few occasions. He was an anti-aging doctor who was actually pro-aging with his hormonal treatments.

He was very much anti-Helen. “Hormones age people.”

Let’s just be real here... we have doctor who proclaims HRT as savior. Who then has heart attack in 2016 and commits suicide in 2019.

I’m sure that HRT is not route to health with that in hand.

Tons of people get severely depressed on TRT. I know a couple , I guess testosterone causing hypokalemia , causes heart attacks and also activation of IDO, which take your tryptophan. and make NAD

I had my buddy almost die on 6 months cycle a short while back, barely got saved.

 

[Orion]

Never heard of him, but looked quite steroid ripped and old as @Helen describes happening on T

"Dr. Crisler is a strong advocate for testosterone replacement therapy, which he describes as, “the most significant advancement in mens health in history”."

 

[bruschi11]

Yup that’s him @Helen . He was not pfs. But he worked with a ton of pfs guys.

His message for the ones who did not respond to his treatments “they have the real pfs where it’s epigenetic and there is no cure.”

He had no right to throw that “epigenetic” term out there and frankly had no idea what he was talking about by using it.

He believed in something, HRT, and tried his hardest in moving that field forward. And probably helped many men in improving their lives in the short term. But HRT is no long term goal of anyone’s.

I’m just thankful this forum was founded and we seek out to do what’s best in terms of health and longetivity.

 

[Admiral]

I believe he worked closely with Justquitdut when he was trying out all these hormones.

 

[bruschi11]

I believe he worked closely with Justquitdut when he was trying out all these hormones.

Not true. JQD worked with Dr. Jacobs a little bit. Probably biggest PFS doctor idiot in the world. Way worse than Crisler.

Jacobs said something to me like “the amount of cortisol you have doesnt matter.” Which is hilarious as its most important hormone in body.

Jacobs should be taken to court for medical malpractice for everyone who has seen him for pfs.

“Let’s just give this guy 500mg testo and see what happens.” Was one of his experiments.

 

[Admiral]

Not true. JQD worked with Dr. Jacobs a little bit. Probably biggest PFS doctor idiot in the world. Way worse than Crisler.

Jacobs said something to me like “the amount of cortisol you have doesnt matter.” Which is hilarious as its most important hormone in body.

Jacobs should be taken to court for medical malpractice for everyone who has seen him for pfs.

“Let’s just give this guy 500mg testo and see what happens.” Was one of his experiments.

Ah, thought it were him and dr Shippen who worked with JustQD. My bad.

 

[MNK99]

Shoot. Thought he passed away of age, heart attack, natural causes. That's no good. But yes, other ways back to health exist.

 

[MNK99]

Like tons of endos and TRT docs are on roids. I don't know for sure.
I thought he had good info, but was hopeless at the time and really it wasn't that promising.
Never went to an endo outside of testing, and she believed me but basically said she doesn't know what to do but will test whatever I want.

Also, while not disrespecting someone who passed away, I didn't like how he said "I never prescribed finasteride in my practice and never will", then turned around and prescribed topical versions or some version of it. Seems pretty disingenuous.

 

[bruschi11]

Where's the source of a suicide though? I haven't found anything. Nevertheless it's still no rebuttal at all to all hormonal routes. This guy was just some juiced bodybuilder turned doctor. He looked absolutely roided out of his mind. What's the exact regime he advocated? Testosterone + thyroid?

Its more of rebuttal to hormones = health.

I used a Crisler friendly HRT regiment pre-pfs and during my hell period of pfs. Preg, t3, TRT. I followed chillin on his forum.

There are plenty of hormonal routes for fixing pfs, quality of life etc. But healthy hormones do not = health.

The HRT phenomenon is horrible for human-kind. You don’t feel well as you’re aging? Oh just take hormones.

Then said person goes and feels better on hormones for 10 years and then the underlying issue causes cancer and kills person. Which could’ve been prevented had they worked on health from day one.

That’s kind of how I envision how my life would’ve gone if I didn’t take fin. Thank you Finasteride lol.

 

[tallglass13]

testosterone is promoted by the Power that be. It is said that males need testosterone. they give pellets in the ass, creams and gels as well an injections. Maybe it is all a scam. Just like the Powers giving Progestins and Estrogens to woman. then they get moles and skin tags around there neck, and strokes and breast cancer later on.

 

[bruschi11]

testosterone is promoted by the Power that be. It is said that males need testosterone. they give pellets in the ass, creams and gels as well an injections. Maybe it is all a scam. Just like the Powers giving Progestins and Estrogens to woman. then they get moles and skin tags around there neck, and strokes and breast cancer later on.

It’s no scam. It is powerful.

But it does not = health. Health is what we are learning here with balancing, fasting etc etc.

 

[tanedout]

To be honest I think this just highlights that messing around with hormones, and pharmaceuticals and stuff is ultimately a bad idea unless you really have to do it. The best thing really is just live a healthy lifestyle, eat a healthy diet and try a minimise exposure to toxins as much as possible. I remember Helen did a post a while ago on suggestions for optimal health, and it makes a lot of sense.

There must be thousands of people out there who have been messed up by drugs like fin. accutane and many others, who don't even realise they've been messed up. They're like the silent victims - the ones that will never know.

 

[MNK99]

Probably millions with the psyche drugs especially. All those misdiagnosed and taking 2-4-10 random things. accutane and fin is more relevant here for sure (to this thread).
I estimate maybe 5-6million kids on psyche meds in canada alone. add accutane and fin more. so minus non horrible reactions, say one million in a year or a couple years. and states: add like 12 million. add europe.. maybe 20-30million. subtract things that just go away or don't change face or genitals etc., maybe 2million. that's being super generous and ignoring most continents.

-Scale up ...88 daily doses /1000 people supposedly in canada take antidepressants. so say like 1/10 almost. in world, scale down say 1/12 * like 7.2 bn or whatever... say 600 million people worldwide. minus non affected maybe 6-10million probably way more. these are random estimates. double for other non antidepressants, say 12-20million right there. --this is not a good model as I did not explain assumptions. I am in a rush.

-Probably post drug disorders or messed up bones, cartilage, heart disease, early strokes, metabolic disorders, sexual disorders, anorgasma and the like... probably 100-200 million. maybe 400-500mn, if you're really cynical from pharma. I'm not that cynical, so I'd say either 10-20million or closer to 100-200million.

 

[vicecaz]

I'm forever grateful too. In the French internet, there's no or little to no forums talking about PAS/PFS. At 18 when I crashed It took me forever to first stumble upon PH, acne.org, learning English in the process, and finally find swolesource and hackstasis through RPF a year later. Not to mention the thousands of hours it takes to read threads to first have a grasp about what's going on and have enough information to take actions the right way.

There's probably lot of people located in Europe, Amsud, even Asia, suffering the very same condition as ours but have no idea why and how it happened, because they don't speak English

 

[TubZy]

Holy shit I remember him a while back, that is crazy to hear

 

[TubZy]

Long term TRT will mess you up... lack of potassium. Sounds like that is what caused his heart issues in the first place, but I was not expecting suicide. I think heart issues with long term TRT is inevitable

 

[bruschi11]

He had heart attack in ‘16 @Boris too.