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[wuf]

Did anyone ever test neurotransmitters? This could be interesting..
https://www.integrativepsychiatry.net/neurotransmitter_testing_what_can_it_do_for_you.html

 

[Shadow]

This tests are pretty useless since they dont measure the levels on the brain, and worst, theres no way to measure the receptors density.

Maybe [mention]mattyb[/mention] can explain this better.

 

[wuf]

I can not find anymore the post about carbohidrates...where is it?

 

[wuf]

Shit, at my job they finnally talked to me... asking me why I am so much unfocused and why I do make so many mistakes...
Well, I talked clearly to the boss and told him the whole truth, he seems to understand and showed me love and trying to reduce the job for me.
I feel a society crap, useless and freeloader, I told him to fire me but he didnt want and wants to help me.
I dont know what is better if staying here and being in this confused condiction...

 

[blindsided]

FWIW, yes I had neurotransmitters tested roughly 2 months after stopping Fin. My Cortisol was sky high and neuro tests all screwed up. See below.

Feb 5 Cortisol Test:
AM= 12.4 range (8-10)
Noon= 9.2 range(3.1-7.3)
PM= 12.1 range (2.1-3.9)
Night= 4.6 range (1.5-2.5)

GABA= 10.6 range (2-11)
Glutamate= 16.4 range (10.3-78.1)
Dopamine= 88.4 range (72-297.2)
Serotonin= 31.1 range (34.2-208.2)
PEA= 18.8 range (14.9-87.2)
Norepinephrine= 30.1 range (15.1-74.8)
Epinephrine= 9.36 range (0.98-4.22)

 

[wuf]

FWIW, yes I had neurotransmitters tested roughly 2 months after stopping Fin. My Cortisol was sky high and neuro tests all screwed up. See below.

Feb 5 Cortisol Test:
AM= 12.4 range (8-10)
Noon= 9.2 range(3.1-7.3)
PM= 12.1 range (2.1-3.9)
Night= 4.6 range (1.5-2.5)

GABA= 10.6 range (2-11)
Glutamate= 16.4 range (10.3-78.1)
Dopamine= 88.4 range (72-297.2)
Serotonin= 31.1 range (34.2-208.2)
PEA= 18.8 range (14.9-87.2)
Norepinephrine= 30.1 range (15.1-74.8)
Epinephrine= 9.36 range (0.98-4.22)

Any terapy suggested from your doctor?

 

[blindsided]

Hey wuf- These tests were from a holistic doctor. My GP would never order these types of tests. Right after I quit Fin and I had issues (wasn't aware of PFS at the time) I went to my GP and they ran the normal BS tests and found nothing wrong. When I went to this holistic doctor, before we even tested anything, she told me that she could tell just by looking at my eyes that i had cortisol and/or neurotransmitter issues. Anyway- the focus at that time was to reduce my cortisol (as my insomnia was terrible as well), so she recommended different supplements/adaptogens to take. Over time, my cortisol did go down, but not sure if it was just time or the supps I was taking. No miracle therapy suggested of course.

 

[wuf]

Hey wuf- These tests were from a holistic doctor. My GP would never order these types of tests. Right after I quit Fin and I had issues (wasn't aware of PFS at the time) I went to my GP and they ran the normal BS tests and found nothing wrong. When I went to this holistic doctor, before we even tested anything, she told me that she could tell just by looking at my eyes that i had cortisol and/or neurotransmitter issues. Anyway- the focus at that time was to reduce my cortisol (as my insomnia was terrible as well), so she recommended different supplements/adaptogens to take. Over time, my cortisol did go down, but not sure if it was just time or the supps I was taking. No miracle therapy suggested of course.

And what about other neurotransmitters? Did you fix them? Thanks

 

[blindsided]

Honestly, I can't say since I haven't had them tested again. These tests were from Feb. 2016 actually. I plan on getting them tested again soon just out of curiosity, but from what I recall the test was around $150. I'm almost positive that epinephrine (adrenaline) went down based on how I feel now compared to then. When I had these tests done I was wired all the time, shaky, couldn't sleep at all, heart pounding out of my chest, etc. These particular symptoms have lessened greatly. But I have no clue how the other readings outside of the epinephrine would look now. I'll let you know when I have them tested again.

 

[wuf]

Honestly, I can't say since I haven't had them tested again. These tests were from Feb. 2016 actually. I plan on getting them tested again soon just out of curiosity, but from what I recall the test was around $150. I'm almost positive that epinephrine (adrenaline) went down based on how I feel now compared to then. When I had these tests done I was wired all the time, shaky, couldn't sleep at all, heart pounding out of my chest, etc. These particular symptoms have lessened greatly. But I have no clue how the other readings outside of the epinephrine would look now. I'll let you know when I have them tested again.

Did you use something to let your symptoms improving or just time did it alone?

 

[blindsided]

hey wuf- for the few specific symptoms that I listed above, I am not sure whether it was time alone or other things well. I think the key for me at that stage was to lower cortisol and that happened. I took many supplements during that time. IF there was a supplement that helped balance my cortisol, it was a supplement call adrenatone. The supplement contains many adaptagens and was recommended by the doctor that I saw. I'm not sure if that helped, but I took it for months (I no longer do). It may have just been time. Also for almost a year now I've been following CDs protocol so we have that as well.

All that said, I have many more symptoms than the few improved ones that I listed above. Most of my mine are now physical in nature- muscle/mass loss, digestions issues, dark/dry eyes, general soreness.... Also mentally still really unmotivated and lack fro drive guess you could say. Strangely my sexual issues aren't bad like many. My libido might be lower, but I still have one. Can pretty much have normal sex with my wife other than my erection isn't as hard sometimes (but can get erect) and sometimes I orgasm earlier than I normally did.

 

[wuf]

hey wuf- for the few specific symptoms that I listed above, I am not sure whether it was time alone or other things well. I think the key for me at that stage was to lower cortisol and that happened. I took many supplements during that time. IF there was a supplement that helped balance my cortisol, it was a supplement call adrenatone. The supplement contains many adaptagens and was recommended by the doctor that I saw. I'm not sure if that helped, but I took it for months (I no longer do). It may have just been time. Also for almost a year now I've been following CDs protocol so we have that as well.

All that said, I have many more symptoms than the few improved ones that I listed above. Most of my mine are now physical in nature- muscle/mass loss, digestions issues, dark/dry eyes, general soreness.... Also mentally still really unmotivated and lack fro drive guess you could say. Strangely my sexual issues aren't bad like many. My libido might be lower, but I still have one. Can pretty much have normal sex with my wife other than my erection isn't as hard sometimes (but can get erect) and sometimes I orgasm earlier than I normally did.

I would say that You are at a good point.. you just have min or sides, that's great.
Do you think CD protocol is helping you? And more did you run any pro-hormones?
Thank you man.

 

[blindsided]

No offense, but I have no clue based on my previous posts, how you would conclude that I have minor sides. I have several significant and devastating side effects.

I think following CDs protocol is a good idea. I mean a healthy lifestyle can only improve your odds of recovering is the way I see it. I think a couple of the herbs help me mentally and a couple seem to give me an extra boost in the sexual department. Also, when I eat healthy like CDs protocol, my digestion seems better (stools not as loose, less bloating, etc.). I mean my digestion still sucks even when eating healthy, but is better than when I eat like shit. Cold showers also help me mentally. So overall, yes I think it has helped me in certain areas. That said, hasn't helped me much regarding physical sides, but that's not to say it can't if I continue with the protocol (and I will).

 

[mattyb]

If your digestion is shit, try supping HCl with meals or the combination of EVOO/ACV/Greens first thing in the morning (without eating again until lunch) for a few weeks.

The morning salad was the best thing I ever did for my digestion. Helped immensely. ACV provides hydrogen, while the greens provide chloride, and EVOO stimulates gallbladder secretion. Eventually this ups HCl and improves digesiton. I had major digestive issues for well over a year after taking a PPI and this was the main thing that restored my digestion. My stools were the same way - always loose. I was always bloated. Now I can eat whatever and I'm fine.

 

[wuf]

No offense, but I have no clue based on my previous posts, how you would conclude that I have minor sides. I have several significant and devastating side effects.

I think following CDs protocol is a good idea. I mean a healthy lifestyle can only improve your odds of recovering is the way I see it. I think a couple of the herbs help me mentally and a couple seem to give me an extra boost in the sexual department. Also, when I eat healthy like CDs protocol, my digestion seems better (stools not as loose, less bloating, etc.). I mean my digestion still sucks even when eating healthy, but is better than when I eat like shit. Cold showers also help me mentally. So overall, yes I think it has helped me in certain areas. That said, hasn't helped me much regarding physical sides, but that's not to say it can't if I continue with the protocol (and I will).

I didn't mean you have minor sides, I said it is positive you had some improvements...

 

[Orion]

The morning salad was the best thing I ever did for my digestion. Helped immensely. ACV provides hydrogen, while the greens provide chloride, and EVOO stimulates gallbladder secretion. Eventually this ups HCl and improves digesiton.

Mattyb, which greens to you use/prefer?

 

[mattyb]

Mattyb, which greens to you use/prefer?

High chloride greens - spinach, chard, beet greens, dandelion greens, and pea shoots are my go to. Sometimes I will mix in more mild greens like butterhead and romaine lettuces. Typically the more bitter the better. I would sometimes even add salt to the salad for additional chloride.

 

[blindsided]

Thanks mattyb- Yeah I'm not sure what to try next related to digestion as I have tried so many things. The items you had mentioned are staples of my diet currently and have been for many months. I have some EVOO and ACV virtually everyday, but usually in the afternoon or evening and not first thing in the morning. I also eat probably a half pound of mixed greens per day, mostly spinach, kale, and chard. My breakfast is usually a mixed green smoothie, albeit with some flax seeds, chia seeds, some avacado, and blueberries.

 

[mattyb]

Have you tried HCl with meals? It's much more potent than the salad. More useful in severe circumstances.

Also doing the salad thing followed by not eating for 2-3 hours in the morning is what I find works best. If I eat too soon afterwards, I find many foods neutralize the acidification. When I wait for a few hours until eating, I always find I get a burning sensation in the stomach that is followed by a reduction in bloating and often a bowel movement.

With all that said, stomach acidity is just one part of digestion. The ironic thing with digestion is that most digestive enzymes downstream from the stomach operate best in alkaline conditions (lipases, proteases, etc.), which means there needs to be a tight regulation and smooth transitions of pH in specific tissues. I know very little about you, so it's impossible for me to pinpoint what your specific issue is. I can only speak from my own experience, which was low acidity.

 

[blindsided]

Hi mattyb- I have not tried HCl, but might give that a whirl. Yes, I understand you can only speak from your experience. As for me, around 3 weeks after quitting Fin, I developed side effects (PFS), including digestive issues. So whatever mechanism is in play that causes digestive issues related to stopping Fin got me. I just have no clue what that was or how to resolve. Still trying.... But, I might give your exact suggestions a try.

Thanks.