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This discord thing isn’t working for most.
I am at the end of my rope here and really need this place to be more informative and helpful. Let’s just join here again folks :)
 

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Hey Admiral, you ever tries the Carnivores diet??
You did lots of mineral balancing. Some gains stick? What are your symptoms like?
 
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bruschi11

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i think electrolyte protocol is what was always right but was missing a few things. We had to get deeper. We had to look at things more Yasko than Wilson.

But kind of in that order…. Electrolyte Protocol/Yasko ideas come first (electrolytes aminos) then minerals. But minerals do = aminos like zinc can = cysteine and manganese can = histidine.

I think getting to sulfur and hormone recycling is something we need. And why gbold loved zinc manganese so much and talked about histidine all the time.

Sulfur is the bridge to the hormones from methylation.
 

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Probably what gave me super clean hair tests (cleanest on the site at the end). it was fasting hardcore and diet and exercise and one meal a day and simplified electrolytes. then tei took me to even crazier good health... wish i just stuck to that while studying and moved a little later. I think after 2021... I just tried one supp here and there but I stopped treating pfs in 2019 and yeah I should have continued. Made a major mistake.

SO electrolyte protocol I took was spinach and whey and salt... and like my meal. AND a lot of other stuff..

What do you consider the electrolyte protocol bro, @bruschi11? All this:
---and do you remember the simplified protocol ?

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1) HCL for the stomach ( you can go up to 10 capsules after protein food) but normally I would take 1-2
2) enzymes wth every food, including trypsin chymotrypsin to break down proteins. ( wobenzym , BIO ZYME)
3) ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS in free form, patches or predigested ( Platinum essential amino acids, essential amino acids, whey protein)
this way you restore amino acids and your systemic protein can be made ( ceruloplasmin , ferritin , gluthatione , metalothionien etc)
4) Increase cofactors for gluthatione and metalothionein (glutamine, cysteine, selenium, zinc, histidine, TYROSINE, glycine) so your body can detoxify heavy metals and toxins. You can use some gelatin for this. Gelatin does not work in alkaline environment and causes more damage by activating NDMA receptor. Since glycine is excitatory if chloride is absent. Gelatin should be used if you are using tons of HCL and potassium and putting your body away from alkalosis. In this condition gelatin will work and do you good. YOU ALSO USE vitamin B1 and folic acid to speed up the process of restoring metabolism
YOU CAN TRY TO TAKE LIPO GLUTATHIONE , always take it wiht vitamin b1 and b3/ tyrosine or Phenylalanine( which is better) cysteine. selenium ( if in slow oxidation) otherwise it will make you hypothyroid. Copper and zinc and manganese
5) Do hair analisys and get on nutritional balancing to fix your own enzyme system and see which cofactors you are missing like manganese or zinc or copper. If you dont do this, you can take a multivitamin to support present protein synthesis but the minute you go off amino acids, you will crash, since your own protein synthesis wont be there, since you did not deal with body chemistry you just bypassed enzymes. Need a good multivitamin since you are missing folic acid, iron , zinc, b2 from having low stomach acid.

TO GET A HAIRTEST AND ADVICE FROM ARL CONTACT Catherine [email protected]. YOU will be provided a hairtest , a program how to fix you ,exact diet for your case and you can also buy supplements from ARL so you dont have to do combine it yourself.

A MULTIVITAMIN to use if you gonna use one, should be NUTRIPLEX , whole food. This is the only one I know that makes it from real food. All others just feed synthetic minerals to yeast and say it is whole food.
You can try to use shilagit instead
6) Increase Selenium ( methionine, sodium selenite) intake. According to your hairtest. I took up to 3000 for my cancer. You need to play with this and see if it fits your body chemistry. Some fast thyroid people will not do good on this. Selenium from selenium methionine does get off. And does increase D1
7) Electrolytes magnesium potassium chlorides. .
PSSD people or people with low sodium in blood, should add sodium chloride to this. After you get out of alkalosis , calcium chloride could be added and played with
If you have volume expansion with high sodium , start with magnesium potassium then add sodium and calcium. If you have low sodium. then take sodium and potassium chlorides. you could also use sea salt.
8) HYDROGEN RICH WATER. THIS CAN CURE YOU ON ITS OWN. Hydrogen rich water will allow the metabolism to run as maximum speed. And will have sugar metabolism open at all times.
9) NADH 10mg a day in the morning. Better to get it in sublingual form OPTIONAL since NADH could generate ROS. and in some people this won't be good
10)) Malic acid. 1g a day.( you will use this for liver flushes anyway)
11) СOq10 Ubiquinol form OPTIONAL
12) IDO inhibitors OPTIONAL
13) Take EGCG for detox support. DAILY Optional
14) some people would need to add CU-GHK and vitamin C components to this protocol as many who recovered did.( this is if multivitamin won't be enough) OPTIONAL

PFS Protocol


Finasteride. binds NADPH. NADPH recycles glutathione. lack of glutathione causes complete close of sugar metabolism. Since glutathione is needed to get rid of hydrogen peroxide and glutathione is needed in glutathione transferase to get rid of toxins and drugs, including finasteride. So finasteride stops its own metabolism and I would assume can even build up.

So you need to increase glutathione transferase and also increase NADPH . glutathione transferase has histidine in it. Also it asks tyrosine to activate the glutathione. ,You can take with b vitamins( b1, biotin) , vitamin C and E, eat good fats( butter) and take bile acids. and shilagit , also cysteine selenium histidine. Also you can take SOD components, zinc copper manganese. chromium this will metabolize finasteride out of your body.


Finasteride impairs bile flow, and impairs 5 beta reductase.
5 beta reductase makes your bile acids, without bile acids you will have a build up of cholesterol and malabsorption of fats. and mainly phospholipids and you will have bilirubin stones in your gallbladder which completely blocks all your bile flow.

this will cause deficiency of lipids needed for the brain , sex, fat soluble vitamins etc and you will have very thick blood since cholesterol wont be used and wont be disposed off.

This is why I said to do liver flushes all the time. Also you can take bile acids. chenodeoxycholic acid plus cholic acid. 5 beta reductase makes those . These 2 acids will dilute all your stones and let you absorb all the needed lipids from the diet. After years of fin your gallbladder had zero bile acids, means it is solid green mass with very little bile.

Also you need to eat good fats, plus vitamin Bs, since b vitamins make NADPH and NADP those are needed for 5 alpha and 5 beta reductases. Also you can add vitamin C , since cholesterol is converted down the line into 5 beta reductases by vitamin C and NADPH which fin impairs.

https://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formu...=1524070039&sr=8-1&keywords=bile+acid+factors

https://www.amazon.com/Allergy-Rese...70118&sr=8-2&keywords=nt+factor+energy+lipids

And vitamin B vitamins plus vitamin C and vitamine E
Bs ratios. 600 mg of thiamin HCL, 500 mg of B5, 100-200 mg of b6 and 250-500 mg of niacinamide, along with 3-10 mg folate and some B12 to balance out 100 mg of riboflavin. biotin 1000

SOME PEOPLE WILL DO BETTER ON more vitamin B2, than b1. So you can experiment with the dosages.


Plus flush the liver over and over again. This is the problem in PFS

Delta 4-3-oxosteroid 5 beta-reductase deficiency: failure of ursodeoxycholic acid treatment and response to chenodeoxycholic acid plus cholic acid.







DIET

THIS IS NOT A KETO DIET. YOU need to eat carbs with your protein at all times.

1) Egg whites 16 a day preferably raw,( make sure you heat them up to deactivate avidin) completely supports gluthatione. If you have histamine reaction to this, add 100mcg molybdenum.
2) juicing Breuss fast components daily.( beets etc) this is a must

3) Diet

30% carbs, 50 protein, 20 fat. Vary this by increasing carbs with physical activity. If you sit at home and move less eat less carbs, if you move more eat more carbs.

Good carbs= rice

Good protein= sea food in form of shrimp, oysters, mussels, octopus , non fat fish, tuna is ok.


Plenty of vegetables( like Kale, spinach, etc) PUT HEAVY ACCENT ON SPINACH AND KALE and BROCCOLI and try to eat it with every meal.

Some fruit, not much. Apples , nectarines, all kinds of fruits that you like.

Milk wise, I recommend almond milk for calcium."


I have some posts I found but not my whole second log.
incidentally i printed my recov in 2018 some notes... and it said For all health issues/ for anxiety/ ADHD, and for mood stability, thinking straight, take tei. I was killing it then.

-i had a whole second log that threads gone... ffs. it had simplified electrolyte protocol and tons of questions from people and i was having fun and about to move out on own then... it was an awesome time.
Never been as jacked, healthy, fit, optimal... lean . got even leaner the next year in 2019 for sure.
 

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dpal

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i think electrolyte protocol is what was always right but was missing a few things. We had to get deeper. We had to look at things more Yasko than Wilson.

But kind of in that order…. Electrolyte Protocol/Yasko ideas come first (electrolytes aminos) then minerals. But minerals do = aminos like zinc can = cysteine and manganese can = histidine.

I think getting to sulfur and hormone recycling is something we need. And why gbold loved zinc manganese so much and talked about histidine all the time.

Sulfur is the bridge to the hormones from methylation.
Yeah what would you say is the electrolyte protocol? Potassium and magnesium chloride or what more specifically? Or everything MnK99 posted?
 

MNK99

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K, Mg, and some other shyt... aminos with spinach for b1. i had a shake ev day in 2018 2019 (bedridden suicidal to jacked, cut leaner than ever and pfs 99% cured back then)... what was that protocol??? IDK I have serious ADHD and it was a million yrs ago. LOL. I hope we get an answer... maybe Plus the enzymes and hcl.. and b. mg, fish oil (I always took).
--should have printed everything or gotten a tat that shows how i recovered. or kept that computer ffs.
 

bruschi11

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Electrolyte protocol is a lot more extensive than it sounds. Just go to it.

It’s about getting potassium chloride magnesium IN THE CELL. While taking potassium mag getting chlorides in the body can help this occur, you need a lot of things going on for the body to put these electrolytes in the cell correctly.

Certain amino acids allow this to happen. Glycine one of them puts chloride into the cell. But then you need things for glycine repeception which needs beta alanine and taurine.

Then you turn system on and start using minerals like zinc and manganese etc.

You need to understand methylation at its core to run electrolyte protocol.
 

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Hey Admiral, you ever tries the Carnivores diet??
You did lots of mineral balancing. Some gains stick? What are your symptoms like?
carnivore diet is no no, or you finish with acute or latent toxoplasmosis. Admiral I just tested myself with Igg and Igm antibodies, I got probably latent type. It was culprit. Test your self for this and boreliosis. Toxo is also sexualy spreaded. Elevated Igg means that You have it in latent stage. I just finished spiramycine with probiotic. Will check it again in 3 weeks but I feel better, much better. Toxo is eating your folic acid, so no hairs, no NO.
this proffesor from Czech:

you can search his studies in researchgate
 

bruschi11

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Another thing…. Looking at minerals in htma without regularly looking at plasma amino acids and say a basic metabolic panel is crazy house.

We can heal with metabolism but we need data. Gbold had no chance as most just didn’t want to do testing and would rather just experiment.

That’s biggest problem with health world. People need data. And unfortunately 99% don’t even know how to interpret data.
 

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Another thing…. Looking at minerals in htma without regularly looking at plasma amino acids and say a basic metabolic panel is crazy house.

We can heal with metabolism but we need data. Gbold had no chance as most just didn’t want to do testing and would rather just experiment.

That’s biggest problem with health world. People need data. And unfortunately 99% don’t even know how to interpret data.
I haven't seen many people who rely on data cure themselves. Helen might be the outlier. Most people get lost in the sauce. Lots of "biohackers" do this stuff and none of them get much better if at all. They use stilts, hormones and drugs often. They are still around years later with the same issues.

Then you have people who do hairtests which some of them I still follow and I absolutely demolished their progress. I went from way worse than them to way better than them in a shorter time frame. Although I think hairtests are the best from all this testing/data stuff. Part of why I started to understand my body is because of TEI.

I got better by listening to my body and try to be as objectively as possible what made me better or not. And then adjust accordingly. I felt like shit daily, weekly, etc. but if I looked objectively I saw I got better. And sometimes I FELT better but objectively did not improve my condition at all. It's important to look at it as objectively as possible and put no worth to "good days" and "bad days" it's a longer timeframe than that.

It wasn't just diet of course. I used a lot of supplements. Too much probably. In very high dosages.

Anyways I understand that for a lot of people it's hard to them to listen closely and be objective. It's a skill you improve over time by trying things.
 

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I haven't seen many people who rely on data cure themselves. Helen might be the outlier. Most people get lost in the sauce. Lots of "biohackers" do this stuff and none of them get much better if at all. They use stilts, hormones and drugs often. They are still around years later with the same issues.

Then you have people who do hairtests which some of them I still follow and I absolutely demolished their progress. I went from way worse than them to way better than them in a shorter time frame. Although I think hairtests are the best from all this testing/data stuff. Part of why I started to understand my body is because of TEI.

I got better by listening to my body and try to be as objectively as possible what made me better or not. And then adjust accordingly. I felt like shit daily, weekly, etc. but if I looked objectively I saw I got better. And sometimes I FELT better but objectively did not improve my condition at all. It's important to look at it as objectively as possible and put no worth to "good days" and "bad days" it's a longer timeframe than that.

It wasn't just diet of course. I used a lot of supplements. Too much probably. In very high dosages.

Anyways I understand that for a lot of people it's hard to them to listen closely and be objective. It's a skill you improve over time by trying things.


I’m not saying “in order to cure yourself you need data.”

I’m saying, “in order to run electrolyte protocol correctly (which can cure you or significantly improve your health) you should get data on hand.”

It’s a specific protocol based on tons of different molecules in the body. It’s not about just a few electrolytes.

I honestly don’t know how you run electrolytes protocol without data on hand. Or it’s gonna just take tons and tons of trial and error.

I PFS friend that was developing Parkinson’s and he recovered. He knew gbold before gbold was known early 2010s.

He was dead for years. He basically recovered in late 2010s by 2021. He ran electrolytes protocol without even knowing it. End of day he was able to make his body retain electrolytes, for metabolism to turn on.

He was mainly trial and error but some labs did help. The trial and error took him forever though. I just think he could’ve sped up the process with lab work, data.

With an approach like electrolytes protocol. If you’re really sick… there’s gonna be setbacks. Why not see on paper what happened during the setbacks.

Again very simple every 3-4 months, htma, plasma aminos, comprehensive metabolic panel.

Then since this is “electrolytes proton” and goal is electrolytes in the cell… might as well be testing potassium and magnesium rbc as well.
 

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Another thing…. Looking at minerals in htma without regularly looking at plasma amino acids and say a basic metabolic panel is crazy house.

We can heal with metabolism but we need data. Gbold had no chance as most just didn’t want to do testing and would rather just experiment.

That’s biggest problem with health world. People need data. And unfortunately 99% don’t even know how to interpret data.
In your opinion, what amino acids are likely most often found to be deficient or in excess?
And which amino acids should be tested? Essential AAs?
 

bruschi11

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In your opinion, what amino acids are likely most often found to be deficient or in excess?
And which amino acids should be tested? Essential AAs?

Histidine, methionine (huge problems when methionine is dead I mean HUGE), glycine/ serine, arginine, aspartate you’ll see glutamate spike when things are bad. I mean all of them just need to be looked at anything Can happen when you mess with nutrients.

Just ask doctor for plasma amino acid testing. Labcorp and quest do it great.

Nutritionist I’m working with with 20 years experience “plasma aminos best test to look at regularly to evaluate cellular metabolism “
 

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Histidine, methionine (huge problems when methionine is dead I mean HUGE), glycine/ serine, arginine, aspartate you’ll see glutamate spike when things are bad. I mean all of them just need to be looked at anything Can happen when you mess with nutrients.

Just ask doctor for plasma amino acid testing. Labcorp and quest do it great.

Nutritionist I’m working with with 20 years experience “plasma aminos best test to look at regularly to evaluate cellular metabolism “
Okay, yeah. I imagine it's this histidine-cysteine (methionine) balance. But i was also looking at aspartate. Will labcorp and quest. Things are different in EU.
 

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carnivore diet is no no, or you finish with acute or latent toxoplasmosis. Admiral I just tested myself with Igg and Igm antibodies, I got probably latent type. It was culprit. Test your self for this and boreliosis. Toxo is also sexualy spreaded. Elevated Igg means that You have it in latent stage. I just finished spiramycine with probiotic. Will check it again in 3 weeks but I feel better, much better. Toxo is eating your folic acid, so no hairs, no NO.
this proffesor from Czech:

you can search his studies in researchgate
Thx!

I just tested myself for parasites. Will get the results within the next few weeks I reckon. What are the exact type of meds and supps you are taking for it? Might jump on it either way.

I will make an appointment with a legal steroid clinic as my next plan. They know of PFS and have already treated some. I’ll go down the hormonal route now.
 

RebelWithACause

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Thx!

I just tested myself for parasites. Will get the results within the next few weeks I reckon. What are the exact type of meds and supps you are taking for it? Might jump on it either way.

I will make an appointment with a legal steroid clinic as my next plan. They know of PFS and have already treated some. I’ll go down the hormonal route now.
What are you going to take? TRT? Or whole spectrum of hormones?
 

RebelWithACause

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I’m not saying “in order to cure yourself you need data.”

I’m saying, “in order to run electrolyte protocol correctly (which can cure you or significantly improve your health) you should get data on hand.”

It’s a specific protocol based on tons of different molecules in the body. It’s not about just a few electrolytes.

I honestly don’t know how you run electrolytes protocol without data on hand. Or it’s gonna just take tons and tons of trial and error.

I PFS friend that was developing Parkinson’s and he recovered. He knew gbold before gbold was known early 2010s.

He was dead for years. He basically recovered in late 2010s by 2021. He ran electrolytes protocol without even knowing it. End of day he was able to make his body retain electrolytes, for metabolism to turn on.

He was mainly trial and error but some labs did help. The trial and error took him forever though. I just think he could’ve sped up the process with lab work, data.

With an approach like electrolytes protocol. If you’re really sick… there’s gonna be setbacks. Why not see on paper what happened during the setbacks.

Again very simple every 3-4 months, htma, plasma aminos, comprehensive metabolic panel.

Then since this is “electrolytes proton” and goal is electrolytes in the cell… might as well be testing potassium and magnesium rbc as well.
Makes sense yes. For me it was better to do the trial and error and really analysing what effects everything had on me not just short term but longer term as well.
 

bruschi11

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Makes sense yes. For me it was better to do the trial and error and really analysing what effects everything had on me not just short term but longer term as well.

I hear you. I did it too without data a couple times. I really wish I just kept the data all along though and always had testing to see what happened when I got worse and when I got better.

It took me a long time to understand the times I got better. It would’ve been nice having more than an htma. I like aminos. They’re just so self explanatory.
 

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What are you going to take? TRT? Or whole spectrum of hormones?
I already tried TRT, Thyroid, DHEA, cortisol, HCG and some other stuff. But I am out of idea’s.

The parasite part is still intriguing me. Somehow I’ve always felt there’s something there for me.