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MNK99

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Just because Primobolan isn't bioidentical. Maybe try alphagels -- DHT cream. The guy is on twitter, he stealth ships from Aus.
Same as anavar and the like. And Masterone (would help people probably if they can workout and are doing things, but long term cure? Probably not for most).

Randro and 4andro helped me a lot, I think dht and test would help even more, but again long term mineral balancing is even better for many (not all). I didn;t take it past 2018 tho, I felt super cured. I should have stuck to tei..but we all make mistakes. It sucks. I was on tei till part way thru 2019 and just kept certain minerals and supps going. And I guess I ran out in 2020 and other stresses and then didn't take anything and should have because they help my life a lot.
 

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As a historic Slow 1 all hair tests (2 or 3 in a row no toxicity (now less healthy bc dumbness etc)), stims and androgens some kept me amazing -- lean and strong and motivated happy. Waking 4.30am and sleeping at 10pm or so. Like a sexually charged, deviant race horse. ANYTHING that increases digestion speed/ slow metabolism... helps balance me, I think. MG, B, Enzymes HCL, ADHD medicine and some androgen but whether that is test cream or test cream and dht cream... probably that would help me tons.

OTHERWISE let it get there naturally with TEI, as RWAC has said to me before (not in those exact words).
 

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Years after this debacle but with other issues which should be treated in same way or with TEI, I tried test injections and ... it was good for erections and this and that, but with RAD140 this isn't good stuff and not for pfs. I am sure TEST AND DHT will be far superior to just test. RAD and the like aren't safe long run... at the doses people tell you to use, the long run is way longer like 3 days or something for rad.

Test var
Test cream
Dht cream (not Area 1255's stuff. homemade or alphagels). with Test cream or with test enanthate or whatever someone wants....

Or tei for me.

I am sure testosterone and prog helps people.

gotta say RANDRO and 4andro were far superior for me but maybe first real steroids I ever did (I did do sarms in 2015 2016 or something, with no pct).

HELEN said that ev1 on hormones even outside of pfs, pas, pssd, will eventually want to or need to go the natural / mineral balancing route.

There's this guy OZEPH on Propecia Help that did carnivore 5 years straight). I ATE slow 1 diet with paleo and post workout for 2 years straight and other shyt....Intermittent fasting and one meal a day... 3 years or something but yeah i prolly just needed more balancing.

SOME people take tren and this and that steroid it is clear to me that TESTOSTERONE solo doesn't help the GABA and DHEA and pregnanolone and other shyt...
SOME TAKE HCG alone. or HCG AND DHT perhaps.

--RE: Long term no changes, success through mineral balancing:
--MATTOC or OCGUY (he and I traded alongside sort of, on discord back in the day in 2019 2020 a bit).... I was like 95-99% cured but not doing all the social recovery stuff I should have been doing.
--anyways he was doing so badly for many years and sick of opportunities passing him by. He got to like 65% recovered finally, after spending near 20 years impaired/ sick in ways with PFS (he took Dutasteride).
--using TEI. TEI got him to like 65% , that and the gut protocol. RIP Matt.

--I wrote a note and printed my recovery it literally said for career, mental and physical health.. for fitness optimization beyond pfs... keep using TEI. -- I think tei long term is the way to go... even after CD's or after fixing pfs with protocols here. SOME could just do that.
--different stages, different things work. I don't really know why but I think that my TEI wouldn't have worked nor would the prohormones, without the water fasting initially. Nor would supplements. I know because in 2017 nothing worked and I had given up.
 
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--for slow 1. fasting, some stims, eating one meal a day or doing their keto but most ppl here are really active and we didn't like keto.
--I guess for fast 1, more calories, more carbs keeping thyroid and all that going and working out but recovering longer.

--I went from endomorph to like meso... 6 feet 180lbs 199lb jacked.. 192 ripped, rapidly losing to 175 172 at times when day trading the year after dealing with PFS. but ya i should have stuck to tei or gotten hormones sooner. not saying too late or to be a downer but i do regret not knowing what to do. should have asked the countless people in my community for help with health stuff/ but i was so focused on some school and studying and fitness and vanity... that I just I don't know i got distracted.

--damn i will make telegram and stuff again @highserotonin90

Rwac and Tubzy have good examples to follow for Fast 1 say.
 
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RebelWithACause

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I doubt it will have the same traction it once got simply because people were interested in Helen's views primarily. But we can still use the forum to post our findings and perhaps progression. You can also use discord for that obviously. I will use both.
 

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@MNK99 So as a slow 1, OMAD would help me because it is making me use up the minerals I have stored is that correct? Is this strategy better than suggested small high protein meals throughout the day that TEI suggest for slow oxidisers? I am definitely a slave to eating throughout my days and I guess it is not helpful for improving my mineral status. When I did do a 3 day fast it became very apparent to me that I am mainly eating just for the dopamine hit and maybe also because I am feeding some pathogen too.
 

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@MNK99 So as a slow 1, OMAD would help me because it is making me use up the minerals I have stored is that correct? Is this strategy better than suggested small high protein meals throughout the day that TEI suggest for slow oxidisers? I am definitely a slave to eating throughout my days and I guess it is not helpful for improving my mineral status. When I did do a 3 day fast it became very apparent to me that I am mainly eating just for the dopamine hit and maybe also because I am feeding some pathogen too.
For a while it can be beneficial yes. As long as you eat enough to detoxify at night. A lot of people are toxic in some metals but deficient in others from what I can tell. So not eating (e.g. fasting) or eating too little can slow your metabolism down as well and you'll just be stuck in the position you are in now.
 

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Fasting is great for slows... It vould help you lots... more than three days. But just running tei could help a lot also.
 

dpal

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Is copper deficiency implicated in myelin degeneration? it would make sense in my case. small sublingual doses are of enormous benefit but I fear that they could lodge in the brain in the same way...as with iron I could be deficient and toxic at the same time. I'm trying to focus on chelating iron and copper from the liver and brain...minerals targeted in multiple sclerosis (also manganese which is still needed to move iron and copper from the liver I think, with B2 molybdenum ceruloplasmin etc)
Are you sure about the manganese. I read such contradicting info on this mineral. Some say it causes total cholestasis.

Like you I also am low in copper and iron in blood, deficient in copper and ceruloplasmin actually and nothing seems to work.

I also had really low manganese on hair tests and also since day 1 struggle with incredibely low cholesterol. You cant find much on too LOW cholesterol but manganese deficiency is one of those.

However, each time I take it I get increased estrogenic symptoms as well as worsening of migraines I think.

I don't think I am truly deficient in copper and iron, I think it is just stuck in tissues and liver and not being used properly. However, nothing has helped me with these functional deficiencies.

Supposedly I have pyrolruia, overmethylation, but all that these treatments do is increase my deficiency and toxicity symptoms, I don't think they are truly the way.
 

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Are you sure about the manganese. I read such contradicting info on this mineral. Some say it causes total cholestasis.

Like you I also am low in copper and iron in blood, deficient in copper and ceruloplasmin actually and nothing seems to work.

I also had really low manganese on hair tests and also since day 1 struggle with incredibely low cholesterol. You cant find much on too LOW cholesterol but manganese deficiency is one of those.

However, each time I take it I get increased estrogenic symptoms as well as worsening of migraines I think.

I don't think I am truly deficient in copper and iron, I think it is just stuck in tissues and liver and not being used properly. However, nothing has helped me with these functional deficiencies.

Supposedly I have pyrolruia, overmethylation, but all that these treatments do is increase my deficiency and toxicity symptoms, I don't think they are truly the way.
Do you have any mercury amalgams? Have you had a HTMA done? Or any of those urine tests? Or microbiome tests?

I read your labs from 2018 and in certain respect I was/am similar to you. Also very low cholesterol. Like a kind of fake fast oxidizer.
 

dpal

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Do you have any mercury amalgams? Have you had a HTMA done? Or any of those urine tests? Or microbiome tests?

I read your labs from 2018 and in certain respect I was/am similar to you. Also very low cholesterol. Like a kind of fake fast oxidizer.
I don’t have any amalgams. I’ve got an HTMA that I think I’ve posted here from around 2020ish.

But I’ve got a ton of recent very expansive labs that I can post. I also know I struggle with sibo and bile problems I think. I have also done a blood gas test, and I have done whole blood histamine to diagnose methylation status which came back as very low whole blood histamine (overmethylator) and pyroluria urine test which came back as very severe.
 

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Ordered a new hair test. Trying to see the mineral levels. Not sure I’ll follow the recommended supps. Trying to focus on copper. Can’t really make up whether I have a shortage or I am copper toxic.
 

RebelWithACause

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Ordered a new hair test. Trying to see the mineral levels. Not sure I’ll follow the recommended supps. Trying to focus on copper. Can’t really make up whether I have a shortage or I am copper toxic.
that question alone to me says copper toxicity. If you have both the excess copper and too little copper symptoms is often copper toxicity. But you can feel worse while eliminating copper. You also have collagen issues right? I think you def. have copper toxicity. But best to do it through hair test because it's often not just copper toxicity... can also be other metals with it especially if you are a slow oxidizer.
 
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that question alone to me says copper toxicity. If you have both the excess copper and too little copper symptoms is often copper toxicity. But you can feel worse while eliminating copper. You also have collagen issues right? I think you def. have copper toxicity. But best to do it through hair test because it's often not just copper toxicity... can also be other metals with it especially if you are a slow oxidizer.
I remember Helen saying that if the iron toxicity is in the liver/brain you need sufficient ceruloplasmin (I think retinol/Copper?) , B2, molybdenum and manganese. For copper it would make sense to use resveratrol but these are very generic memories... if I'm wrong I apologize. I have never understood whether during this type of chelation we must avoid these exogenous minerals through food so as not to create further problems?
 

RebelWithACause

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I remember Helen saying that if the iron toxicity is in the liver/brain you need sufficient ceruloplasmin (I think retinol/Copper?) , B2, molybdenum and manganese. For copper it would make sense to use resveratrol but these are very generic memories... if I'm wrong I apologize. I have never understood whether during this type of chelation we must avoid these exogenous minerals through food so as not to create further problems?
I would avoid them yes during chelation. Once you got rid of it you can add more in again. That's how I see it.
 

zancek0

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I don’t have any amalgams. I’ve got an HTMA that I think I’ve posted here from around 2020ish.

But I’ve got a ton of recent very expansive labs that I can post. I also know I struggle with sibo and bile problems I think. I have also done a blood gas test, and I have done whole blood histamine to diagnose methylation status which came back as very low whole blood histamine (overmethylator) and pyroluria urine test which came back as very severe.
yeah, post them if you can.
 

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Anyone else have high b12?

I’m starting to see that as the cause for major electrolyte issues. And how that goes with
The electrolytes protocol

Notice how you don’t give b1 nad in electrolytes protocol until electrolytes are fixed. You do want fad , b2 is helpful for getting to glycine which is needed for chloride in the cell to retain potassium.

Thing is , with high b12? B2 isn’t gonna help you retain electrolytes that great it just can’t cuz fad activates b12. B12, in surplus, raises both nad and activates b1 raising nadph putting more pressure on fad.

That high b12 sitting around in serum is a molecule that needs to be balanced. And it might not be fun doing it.