ZINC FINGER THEORY DISCUSSION for PFS - 2 cases

[HerrFisch]

Guys, Gbold is just another forum member. Just like everyone else here. He is not your personal & free ARL practitioner. Lol
We are here to gather "knowledge" not to ask 1 person about everything.

But if, then there are loooots of older posts which I think more people, especially new people need to read.
Maybe reread all of the "old" stuff instead of asking the same questions again. (its really a lot)

Q&A

Quotes and Ideas

(Btw its not as easy as it was to find in the old forum) + maybe its possible to delete the quotations in those? Otherwise you need to open every single one, and I'm not sure if the search bar will find anything in those quotations.

We all need to contribute to this forum. Otherwise this forum will be empty if Gbold is on vacation ^^

 

[Helen]

If someone with PFS/PSSD has a recent blood electrolyte test, suffers from muscle weakness and/or cognitive problems, and is willing to try out a few things - PM me and include your blood test results.

thanks MattyB, they do need help if you have free time to help some with their PH balancing.

 

[barbaar]

Guys I'm working on setting up a wiki. I need some input from Tubzy and other hackstasis admins (if they even think it's a good idea at all), I will post when it's ready.

 

[Helen]

Guys, I honestly wish you all the best and I try to steer you into the right direction. If I thought you could be helped by yourself I would definately try to outline more protocols. But for those who took some kind of drugs or got an imbalance not from the birth. Trust me your best choice would be ARL. Since ARL will manage your specific case and since you just took the drug and it was not inborn mutation, ARL will fix it very fast. MattyB and I are trying to help you . But it is hard since, it is case by case. When I have free time I will take a bunch of people into my skype and fix them. I promise. But it takes a lot of time.

 

[expendable]

Guys I'm working on setting up a wiki. I need some input from Tubzy and other hackstasis admins (if they even think it's a good idea at all), I will post when it's ready.

Hot damn, I've been wondering about this recently. It would be massively helpful to have such a wiki!

 

[mattyb]

Guys I'm working on setting up a wiki. I need some input from Tubzy and other hackstasis admins (if they even think it's a good idea at all), I will post when it's ready.

I'd be happy to help, PM me and let me know what I could do to help.

 

[TubZy]

Maybe we need a wiki or something. That way we'll be able to organize all information in a clear, coherent way so people won't ask the same thing 100 times.

Yeah, I don't know why I never thought of that earlier. I got your PM, let's do it.

To all..Honestly, it is really not about sub forums or forum reorganization, you know how many times I and others reorganized the forum to make it easier and fix that problem? It just doesn't work when people post in different threads asking for help on a topic that is different from the title of the thread. It basically becomes a full time job moving posts around all day. If people are in a desperate health condition they are going to post wherever they want to try and get whoevers attention. That is when things get repeated and the thread derails. So I think a wiki is a great idea actually.

and we do have an overview thread on protocols it is in my signature...but every single treatment discussed here isn't going to be listed there. The protocol needs to have some anecdotal evidence behind it.

 

[Canari]

This is PFS thread, I have no idea what you and Canari are doing here. This is POST FINASTERIDE THREAD. And I am not dealing with any other disorder now.

There are things that are past fin problem, and alkalosis is alkalosis.
And also it is said that Lyme people have common points with pfs... and I tested positive though not much.
In this thread I have never asked for a direct solution but for understanding some precise points about alkalosis. I still have contradictory answers about what is from co2 and what is metabolic, and how it works between respiration and metabolism....

And yes you said you were trained in both arl and tei, and that you were doing better with a program. In rpf you mentonned tht you were like pissed off by the madness of medical environment and that you wanted to offer this program so that people could balance them better than with arl. Here you entionned you thought the best was going to be with colored light, not only red.

At the beginning of this oru I asked tubzy if it was going to be for general balance and not only post use sundorms and he said yes. Balance is balance

Maybe we need a wiki or something. That way we'll be able to organize all information in a clear, coherent way so people won't ask the same thing 100 times.

Even in a forum it can be done, I have done it before in a forum I was running, and it was working like a wiki, but new members were "controlled" until they new where to post, and how to start a new topic when it was going off rail + good moderation to do it.

I have been shouting long enough about this and nobody answered in the topic I made about the sub-forums.

 

[TubZy]

I'm working on the PM thing with @tfcjesse ...for some reason everyone's permissions keep getting fucked up

 

[Canari]

It just doesn't work when people post in different threads asking for help on a topic that is different from the title of the thread. It basically becomes a full time job moving posts around all day.

Yes...
The wiki of Dr Myhill is well done for example.

We are here to gather "knowledge" not to ask 1 person about everything.

This needs to not derail threads.
I also asked that the titles could highlight "testimonies", because you need to know why something works for somebody. It is all about similarities and differences. This part cannot be a wiki!

Trust me your best choice would be ARL.

Do you mean "a lab" ... or "not TEI"?
Only ARL?

 

[TubZy]

There are things that are past fin problem, and alkalosis is alkalosis.
And also it is said that Lyme people have common points with pfs... and I tested positive though not much.
In this thread I have never asked for a direct solution but for understanding some precise points about alkalosis. I still have contradictory answers about what is from co2 and what is metabolic, and how it works between respiration and metabolism....

And yes you said you were trained in both arl and tei, and that you were doing better with a program. In rpf you mentonned tht you were like pissed off by the madness of medical environment and that you wanted to offer this program so that people could balance them better than with arl. Here you entionned you thought the best was going to be with colored light, not only red.

At the beginning of this oru I asked tubzy if it was going to be for general balance and not only post use sundorms and he said yes. Balance is balance



Even in a forum it can be done, I have done it before in a forum I was running, and it was working like a wiki, but new members were "controlled" until they new where to post, and how to start a new topic when it was going off rail + good moderation to do it.

I have been shouting long enough about this and nobody answered in the topic I made about the sub-forums.

I told you and gave you feedback already multiple times. It doesn't work like that, we reorganized the forum, over 5 times with new sections and everything. People are still going to post where they want and in a thread that is high traffic and ask questions. You really can't "control" people who are borderline suicidal. The best option is to point them or any new member somewhere where it is easily layed out. Just the thread in my signature alone cut down on a lot of the repetitive content with new members and saves me and others time rather than repeat ourselves. This forum isn't about gbol only, he doesn't have or want his own section. Seriously, I mean how much more clear can we not make it so new members don't know where to post? There is an introduction section and a log section. I can't hand hold every single person here, I already have been posting logs for people. Since the last change it has improved much better, I have been seeing many more new introductions/logs in the right places. The issue that comes up is the random questions in a thread that has nothing to do with the title. That is where I think just pointing to a wiki would help instead. 90% of the time the same questions are asked over and over and I think a wiki would help remove that problem.

 

[Canari]

Yes you gave me feedback but I still did not agree, I kept telling that the forum could be organised better and solve more problems. In my forum I had a welcome message that was received by all, and they had to follow the order of presenting, putting their informations etc, before they could post anything. They could read and present themselves, and it worked. FIRST GIVE AND THEN YOU CAN RECEIVE.

Here if you want a better functioning you have to suppress - in the sub-forum title - the name of the health issues, as balance is not separated from general health, because balance is general. Then the first forum can be about brainstorming, about theories, and then instead of this "human body", we need "life style". And a big one.

gbolduev is all the time saying that you need a good life-style, and we do not need him to share our tips!
Fasting should be alone and not with diet.
Food should not be separated from minerals and vitamines... gbol says to get it from food! You can add if you need more, but do not separate it in the thinking of the people. It is occasional compensation when you need to take some minerals/electrolytes.
Exercise is needed for a good life-style, but if you call it bodybuiding you loose the meaning of what you really need.

Also is needed to appear more clearly that each one is bringing a testimony, and is not on a list to receive answers with a protocol and a doctor prescription. So I had a part of my forum that was called testimonies.... maybe the word log did not exist in those days! People were first of all giving to others.... but there was already a lot of past gift to be read....

 

[Admiral]

Guys, I honestly wish you all the best and I try to steer you into the right direction. If I thought you could be helped by yourself I would definately try to outline more protocols. But for those who took some kind of drugs or got an imbalance not from the birth. Trust me your best choice would be ARL. Since ARL will manage your specific case and since you just took the drug and it was not inborn mutation, ARL will fix it very fast. MattyB and I are trying to help you . But it is hard since, it is case by case. When I have free time I will take a bunch of people into my skype and fix them. I promise. But it takes a lot of time.

Thanks Golduev. I am a PFS sufferer for 13 years and your view on all of this is the sole reason I still have hope. I feel like I just wasted 1100 Euro’s on tests as I can’t do anything with the results myself.

Hope you’ll find the time to help me and others.

I do would like to know the protocol Sevens used.

 

[wuf]

Thanks Golduev. I am a PFS sufferer for 13 years and your view on all of this is the sole reason I still have hope. I feel like I just wasted 1100 Euro’s on tests as I can’t do anything with the results myself.
Hope you’ll find the time to help me and others.
I do would like to know the protocol Sevens used.

I am PFS from 12 years as well... did you have any improvements over time or nothing at all?

 

[tanedout]

Not sure why this has gone-off track, but from the very first page Gbol makes it absolutely clear this is about discussion and experimentation! There's a ton of information here though, and I've learnt loads from reading it, especially the thoughts of Gbol and mattyB, but also some user experiences - many which are very positive based on these theories. Hope it gets back on track as it's a great thread!

 

[Willylong98]

Can anyone use ARL? I can’t see on the website how to order the test

 

[Ghost]

I got so sick and tired of repeating myself on the PSSD forum that I needed to quit for a few months. That's when I made my free-standing site, and it was the best thing for my sanity EVER. With a FAQ page and a list of what has been tried, I cut out over 80% of the work I needed to do on the forum. I'd get a question and just send back a link in response instead of re-writing something for the 5000000th time.

I sympathize with both sides because it is scary to feel so confused, and people get sassy when you ask them a question. You need to realize that it's not you, but instead the fact that you are the 12th person asking that in the same day.

Everything needs to be in one place, cut to size, off the main site, and comments not allowed. If anyone has any PSSD ideas PM me and we can work them onto the site I have. I'd even make a PFS section or connect with a sister PFS site/wiki. www.pssdlab.wordpress.com

 

[TubZy]

Yes you gave me feedback but I still did not agree, I kept telling that the forum could be organised better and solve more problems. In my forum I had a welcome message that was received by all, and they had to follow the order of presenting, putting their informations etc, before they could post anything. They could read and present themselves, and it worked. FIRST GIVE AND THEN YOU CAN RECEIVE.

Here if you want a better functioning you have to suppress - in the sub-forum title - the name of the health issues, as balance is not separated from general health, because balance is general. Then the first forum can be about brainstorming, about theories, and then instead of this "human body", we need "life style". And a big one.

gbolduev is all the time saying that you need a good life-style, and we do not need him to share our tips!
Fasting should be alone and not with diet.
Food should not be separated from minerals and vitamines... gbol says to get it from food! You can add if you need more, but do not separate it in the thinking of the people. It is occasional compensation when you need to take some minerals/electrolytes.
Exercise is needed for a good life-style, but if you call it bodybuiding you loose the meaning of what you really need.

Also is needed to appear more clearly that each one is bringing a testimony, and is not on a list to receive answers with a protocol and a doctor prescription. So I had a part of my forum that was called testimonies.... maybe the word log did not exist in those days! People were first of all giving to others.... but there was already a lot of past gift to be read....

Right, but you said "I have been shouting long enough about this and nobody answered in the topic I made about the sub-forums." when you did get feedback.

So how is a welcome message going to stop people from asking random questions in threads that do not pertain to the thread topic? We had multiple sub forums in the beginning it was way too confusing, people don't want to click through 3 sets of sub forums just find content. By separating and adding more sub forums is not going to do anything for the issue of newer members just asking random and repetitive questions in random threads that are high traffic and gbol's attention is.

I agree with the last part somewhat although I don't think testimony is the right word (it sounds like we are selling some product), but I already mentioned I have a list of a few users who have recovered already. The thread is going to be linked with the one in my signature along with their actual log so people can see their entire history. Their already existing personal logs have all of their information needed for people wanting to see how they recovered, no need to complicate it more.

What do you mean lifestyle? Give me an example... if you are talking about the swimming post, Steve was asking about minerals and swimming? There is a minerals sub forum already? There is also a fitness/bodybuilding sub forum? What is the problem. I'm sure Steve just posted it in this thread because it was high traffic and Gbol's attention was here, so there is no "sub forum" that is going to fix that concept. However, if we had a Wiki other members could just direct Steve to the wiki where Gbol already answered that question, simple as that.

What do you mean exercise? I included "fitness" already within the bodybuilding sub forum title to make it more open for that exact reason. I think you are over thinking and over complicating things too much, the only issue that is left is asking repetitive questions in threads that do not pertain to the title and I don't think it is about sub forums but which threads have high traffic and gbol's attention.

 

[bruschi11]

I've repeated this before on my blogs, but the only medical doctor to proclaim being cured from PFS on PropeciaHelp went by "-JN-."

After 10 years of trying to battle it with hormones and all sorts of stuff, over a 6 month or so period of time he just went the "eradicating pathogens" route and "zinc/copper balance (ARL)" route.

I mean lets be honest here- this is what GBOL is saying. This is what that doctor "-JN-" said. I'm saying "eradicating pathogens" is extremely critical for how far I've come (realllly far), Chi said "eradicating pathogens, healing CFS" was how he healed from PFS.

It adds up. Using ARL to correct mineral balance will give one the optimum oxidation as possible. When oxidation is at its peak, the body does it's best possible job of eradicating pathogens. Less pathogen= better oxidation, mineral balance as well.

Does this not make sense to people? Do I sound crazy? LOL people on solvepfs think I'm out of my mind.

But this is PFS. This is what @gbolduev is explaining. You need to get balanced. Everybody is an individual. There is no one exact cure. All of these things can help that he suggest but the overall outcome is one needs to clear the bad (pathogens, toxins) and balance themselves so their body can do the best job of basically doing that for itself.

 

[bruschi11]

And when I say what I said above, I can totally say that using the original zinc finger for a few days a few weeks ago improved my oxidation, body's abilities to deal with toxins, pathogens. With this, libido formed.

This stuff GBOLD is suggesting is for real. It is legitimate, but we all have problems that he can't know about us or understand. Its just not directly possible without testing things deeper than just minerals and bloods for hormones.

You could have a potent pathogen making your life miserable that PFS allowed to escape. That was my case- I had zero chance ever until I took care of that issue to the degree I have. Also realize only 1.7% of pathogens are IDENTIFIABLE, NEVER MIND TESTABLE. There is so much unheard of disease and bacteria in this world today.

The basis of health is good bacteria vs. bad. We as human beings are made of bacteria. We need to be the good kind and I feel like this hasn't been looked upon far enough on this forum. Past PFS legitimate recovery stories prove my point. (CDNUTS, Chi, braziliandude, ihatepropecia702, English, Maxout and so on.)