Electrolyte Protocol for Improved Health

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tanedout said:
@gbolduev @mattyb I notice some electrolyte supplements contain 'chloride' as a separate ingredient to potassium chloride, sodium chloride etc - is the chloride on it's own different to the potassium chloride etc? (i.e. is is like TUDCA where this is this is basically ursodeoxycholic acid [UDCA] with a taurine molecule attached, but does not have the actions of taurine even though taurine is part of it?)

Just wondering because reading about alkalosis here it says in this study, which is focused on chloride depletion alkalosis admittedly, that replenishing potassium will not resolve the alkalosis on it's own unless it's in combination with chloride?





It Is Chloride Depletion Alkalosis, Not Contraction Alkalosis

So are we getting the chloride by supplementing with potassium chloride etc, or is it best to look for a supplement with standalone chloride too?
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HCL is your answer you gettting tons of HCL/ Why dont you guys start with a simple protocl which is already helping Tubzy. Ask him what he takes etc and then experiment with everything else.
 
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Also another reason why potassium and magnesium work together.

"Magnesium tends to be correlated with potassium intake. Potassium can be impossible to absorb during a magnesium deficiency. Magnesium status can not be determined from blood serum. The red blood cells is a reliable indicator. When magnesium is deficient the 300 or so enzymes depending on magnesium fail to operate adequately, including those responsible for its own absorption. Total body magnesium does not predict its deficiency, but blood serum must be low for that. If blood magnesium is 25% low, the enzymes depending on magnesium fail to operate adequately, including those responsible for its own absorption."
 
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gbolduev said:
tubzy is using it , you can try his dosages. Also dont forget that scences and tubzy used copper also at first. So you can try this or add CU GHK to it
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Even with relatively normal copper levels in hair analyses? Your part on copper being kept in the liver and causing candida kinda spooked me taking it as I am full of yeast infections.
 
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TubZy said:
Hey wrote all sources in my log if needed. I just bought one of Amazon (the powder)

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Thanks.

Do you know the reason for this type of magnesium over others like mag glycinate? I thought it was for the chloride but it sounds like the HCl gives us all we need on that front.
 
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tanedout said:
@gbolduev @mattyb I notice some electrolyte supplements contain 'chloride' as a separate ingredient to potassium chloride, sodium chloride etc - is the chloride on it's own different to the potassium chloride etc? (i.e. is is like TUDCA where this is this is basically ursodeoxycholic acid [UDCA] with a taurine molecule attached, but does not have the actions of taurine even though taurine is part of it?)

Just wondering because reading about alkalosis here it says in this study, which is focused on chloride depletion alkalosis admittedly, that replenishing potassium will not resolve the alkalosis on it's own unless it's in combination with chloride?

It Is Chloride Depletion Alkalosis, Not Contraction Alkalosis

So are we getting the chloride by supplementing with potassium chloride etc, or is it best to look for a supplement with standalone chloride too?
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If it says there's potassium in there, and it doesn't say citrate, but it lists chloride, then it's potassium chloride. Potassium, sodium, etc. always need to be attached to something - they don't come on their own.

The first line treatment for volume expansion alkalosis is IV potassium chloride and water. We add magnesium because we're doing it orally, and magnesium helps with potassium absorption. Often in the IV solutions they'll have other electrolytes like magnesium, calcium, and sodium as well - all attached to chlorides.

If that doesn't work, they do a central line with HCl, because this provides additional chloride, but the primary reason is because it directly counteracts the alkalosis by increasing proton concentrations (H+, since the H from HCl always dissociates in the body, leaving H+ and Cl-). They don't do an IV, because the HCl can cause vascular damage when injected into those veins, but with a central catheter the body can handle it.

If that doesn't work, they use acetalozamide + IV, since this dramatically increases proton concentrations (AKA H+, acidity, low pH), directly reversing the alkalosis.

And the last approach that is tried is oral lysine HCl + IV solution. This works because when lysine is metabolized it releases an excess of protons, acidifying the blood and reversing the alkalosis. The dosages they use are crazy stupid, like up to 10g of lysine spread out over a few days.

So if you are resistant to all other approaches, oral lysine + electrolytes may be worth trying out.

All these treatments do one simple thing (except the very first one) - they directly increase acidity (AKA proton/H+ concentrations), causing efflux of unwanted minerals out of the cell and reduction of bicarb, and replenishing those minerals with the proper dominant intracellular minerals (K+ and Mg+).
 
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jaa said:
Thanks.

Do you know the reason for this type of magnesium over others like mag glycinate? I thought it was for the chloride but it sounds like the HCl gives us all we need on that front.
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Use the chloride varieties. That's what is used in hospital, you want as much chloride as you can get because when you provoke acidosis with HCl it will cause chloride wasting.
 
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HerrFisch said:
Is 10g of lysine a lot in your opinion?
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It's not that crazy I guess, but it is still over twice the minimum daily intake, and it's taken on top of your regular diet. I think the dosages go up to 10g/day, but are often spread out over a few days.

Just make sure to stay off of a high calcium diet when you are taking it, because it increases calcium absorption significantly.
 
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And the last approach that is tried is oral lysine HCl + IV solution. This works because when lysine is metabolized it releases an excess of protons, acidifying the blood and reversing the alkalosis. The dosages they use are crazy stupid, like up to 10g of lysine spread out over a few days.

So if you are resistant to all other approaches, oral lysine + electrolytes may be worth trying out.
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@gbolduev @TubZy @mattyb
is this protocol fine with both cases- high and low progesterone?
Plus, a personal question if you can answer, (I ask because I don't want to harm myself even more) - is this protocol fine also for me that I crashed with DHEA?
Thanks
 
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Any quick yes or no whether this protocol can recover/improve/balance anyone with PFS/PSSD, regardless of hormonal levels? My cortisol and progesterone are not high, for instance and it seems this protocol targets those who have higher levels.
 
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Admiral said:
Any quick yes or no whether this protocol can recover/improve/balance anyone with PFS/PSSD, regardless of hormonal levels? My cortisol and progesterone are not high, for instance and it seems this protocol targets those who have higher levels.
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Yes, it can help regardless of what hormones level are since the body can put things where they are needed again.
 
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Does this protocol help if you have blood results that indicate acidosis instead of alkalosis?
 
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TubZy said:
Not really mainly because the more HCL that you take the more electrolytes you need. You don't have to start with that, that is what I just do. Try half of that 250/250 first
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Why those ratios of mag to potassium? Rdi of magnesium is 100mg rdi of potassium is 4000mg.

Did gbold advise that?
 
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