Is it possible that PFS makes you less attractive to women?

[Goose12]

I would, but I don't really want to dig around through old photos and take new ones at matching angles to demonstrate the changes. I definitely prefer not to obsess over these things, instead choosing to focus on progress as a whole. When I'm in an upswing, I notice my cheeks are fuller and there are less wrinkles around my eyes and forehead, so I know that these things can be improved in time as the rest of my body recovers. Chi had similar changes and he reversed them once cured. @Goose12 just recently reported that his facial changes reversed after a round of ella. PFS is multi-systemic, so it'll just drive you mad getting too caught up on one particular symptom. Especially cosmetic ones.

Definitely had facial changes from pfs. Thought it was in my head at first but it wasnt. I had wrinkles under my eyes and started to get them on my forhead, under my eyes were dark and sunken in, and face was rounder and jaw line was less pronounced.

I think it was a combination of everything i did up to taking ella, but ella was the kicker.

It might be in my head but I feel like I get a lot more attention from women when I am on an r andro cycle. I read it's suppose to increase pheromones.

 

[TubZy]

I would, but I don't really want to dig around through old photos and take new ones at matching angles to demonstrate the changes. I definitely prefer not to obsess over these things, instead choosing to focus on progress as a whole. When I'm in an upswing, I notice my cheeks are fuller and there are less wrinkles around my eyes and forehead, so I know that these things can be improved in time as the rest of my body recovers. Chi had similar changes and he reversed them once cured. @Goose12 just recently reported that his facial changes reversed after a round of ella. PFS is multi-systemic, so it'll just drive you mad getting too caught up on one particular symptom. Especially cosmetic ones.

Yup exactly. That stuff can fluctuate day by day. My skin would look great and normal again and the next day it could look like shit. No point of obsessing over it, it fixes with the bigger picture.

 

[djohn051]

I'm in a different stage of recovery where I'm not using DHEA or pansterone to deal with libido. I'm in the process of a different cycle focusing on hormones in general. I believe it'll help you and will likely be in future stage of mine as well. Yes, it should help balance out and you will not need to use it forever just to have libido, but it should help you sensitize to dht.

Letro is very strong, not expensive. It could kill glandular tissue that's already set but that could be a longer cycle on letro so you'll have to choose which problem to tackle first. If you don't notice any reduction in the lump by day 14, then it's not going to help. Obviously this is a strong drug so ensure you read up but I've used it for probably 10+ Years in different needs.

Could you recommend a DHEA brand?

 

[Slayo]

Definitely had facial changes from pfs. Thought it was in my head at first but it wasnt. I had wrinkles under my eyes and started to get them on my forhead, under my eyes were dark and sunken in, and face was rounder and jaw line was less pronounced.

I think it was a combination of everything i did up to taking ella, but ella was the kicker.

It might be in my head but I feel like I get a lot more attention from women when I am on an r andro cycle. I read it's suppose to increase pheromones.

so ella made you worse ?

 

[BeLikeWater]

I'll add a couple points from my year+ journey that might add here...

First, for a man, Estrogen is needed to sensitize androgen receptors so they can be receptive to androgenic hormones, in our case DHT. What has happened with PFS is our receptors have been down regulated so blood work doesn't give the real picture. We may have normal appearing levels of DHT but it's not valuable to our bodies. We have some ideas on how to help this depending on cases. All roads lead to a way to wipe the slate clean, so to speak, and let the body kinda start from 0 again, somehow. A fast has been shown to help wipe out everything.

Prior to PFS, we could've increased our libido with oral DHEA or Clomid, stuff like that, that increases estrogen but only in small doses (barring steroid use) for short bursts and usually it'd help, if needed...

After PFS, the balance is different. I actually experimented about this time last year with Pansterone from the other forum we don't speak of, applied 4 drops right to my testicles. It actually inflamed some prior gyno so I know it boosted by estrogen levels. I had signs of libido & , take this for what it's worth, a 'smell' from my genitals. It's not a BO smell but like a heat coming from there... It brought back memories of another symptom of what was missing. In fact, related to this, I believe there was more 'pheromones' produced because a woman made mention of her need for me on the 2nd or 3rd day I used pansterone. We already had history and saw each other a lot already, and that day seeing her she mentioned something was different... I think I documented this over at the other forum and has likely been lost in the fray... so your post here jogged some of my memories...

I've been away from the forum trying a few ideas out , having some better days but still a couple bad ones...

The R-Andro will help boost DHT but you may find it's not your first step if you have DHT levels. You may find an oral DHEA of 25mgs a day to give some sensitivity to your receptors...

Additionally , the HPTA feedback loop for males is effected more by estrogen... meaning high levels of estrogen is monitored and would send the signal to the pituitary gland to stop producing testosterone. If you block estrogen , your natural testosterone levels will go up but you can lose sex drive. This sounds more of your current PFS state... By raising some estrogen, you may then start to utilize that high DHT that's unbound to anything, and it may trigger some libido... And again, your hormone profile may appear normal on paper but it's a receptor issue that we're mostly dealing with. If you boosted estrogen just slightly over normal baseline, you may begin clearing out that unbound DHT. Fortunately, oral DHEA is cheap and you'll know within a few days if it's helping. Might have to find a sweet spot for dosage tho... could be as low at 5mg or as high as a 100mg. 25mg should be a good starting point to see 'something' ...

Man Pasterone made me different it actually made me enjoy mastubartion again and I really noticed that shit when I took it. We are talking about Pregnenolone + DHEA, that thing really put something again where it should

 

[jacknap]

I would, but I don't really want to dig around through old photos and take new ones at matching angles to demonstrate the changes. I definitely prefer not to obsess over these things, instead choosing to focus on progress as a whole. When I'm in an upswing, I notice my cheeks are fuller and there are less wrinkles around my eyes and forehead, so I know that these things can be improved in time as the rest of my body recovers. Chi had similar changes and he reversed them once cured. @Goose12 just recently reported that his facial changes reversed after a round of ella. PFS is multi-systemic, so it'll just drive you mad getting too caught up on one particular symptom. Especially cosmetic ones.

when I'm in an upswing my face looks closer to normal. during downswings i have dark eye circles and rounder looking face. seems like cortisol or estrogen or sodium retention. seems like cortisol to me tho

 

[jacknap]

Definitely had facial changes from pfs. Thought it was in my head at first but it wasnt. I had wrinkles under my eyes and started to get them on my forhead, under my eyes were dark and sunken in, and face was rounder and jaw line was less pronounced.

I think it was a combination of everything i did up to taking ella, but ella was the kicker.

It might be in my head but I feel like I get a lot more attention from women when I am on an r andro cycle. I read it's suppose to increase pheromones.

it might a coicidence but when I was on andro the girls I was sleeping with were from superior quality and when I got off it they all ghosted me LOL

 

[joekool]

@BeLikeWater that's 100% my point bro... it resensitized the androgen receptors by increases your estrogen which made you sensitive to having a sex drive, libido, skin contact... the whole she-bang-a-bang

that was what I was referring to in my post... it really did help but I needed other stuff to be fixed first...

@Goose12 and @jacknap YES!!! YES to all that phermones stuff and the honey's noticing...

 

[jacknap]

even at darkest depths of pfs though girls still liked me about the same just the will and desire to pursue them (cuz let's be honest girls don't do shit) wasn't there lol

 

[hopeforrecovery]

even at darkest depths of pfs though girls still liked me about the same just the will and desire to pursue them (cuz let's be honest girls don't do shit) wasn't there lol

Did you experience physical changes?
Facial structure changing or penile/testicular shrinkage?

 

[hopeforrecovery]

@BeLikeWater that's 100% my point bro... it resensitized the androgen receptors by increases your estrogen which made you sensitive to having a sex drive, libido, skin contact... the whole she-bang-a-bang

that was what I was referring to in my post... it really did help but I needed other stuff to be fixed first...

@Goose12 and @jacknap YES!!! YES to all that phermones stuff and the honey's noticing...

How can pheromones be noticed from girls? I mean how would you explain that.

 

[joekool]

I Can only provide my experience and girls have said it. They definitely pick up on the smell and aura. I’ve tested it with pansterone in my pfs and it’s something. I can only say pheromones. Nothing scientific

 

[Goose12]

so ella made you worse ?

No, after Ella my face returned to normal and skin was oilier.

 

[Goose12]

How can pheromones be noticed from girls? I mean how would you explain that.

I have noticed more attention from women on both cycles of andro. It's something that they notice instant. Like @joekool said, it's more like an aura you give off that women pick up on instantly.

 

[Niles]

I have noticed more attention from women on both cycles of andro. It's something that they notice instant. Like @joekool said, it's more like an aura you give off that women pick up on instantly.

I know that I felt super alpha and confident on R-andro, and that alone could contribute to it besides pheromones.

 

[galio23]

Most of the things considered male pheromones are metabolites of DHT

 

[hopeforrecovery]

Yesterday I've seen an old friend who hasn't see me for like 5 years (Pre-PFS). He recognized me directly and he greeted me.
Made me happy. I think if facial changes were really really bad that couldn't happen.
Just to say...

 

[Gumbo]

On pansterone, that stuff really fucked me up. And I wasn't even going close to the recommended dose, I think it said 4 drops and I never went past 2, never used it on consecutive days either. Sounds like it was working much differently on me than some of the people in this thread though. First time I used it I felt great, got rid of my gyno instantly, gave me the stable androgenic feeling I had on my good days which was the reason I tried it for in the first place. Every time after that was less and less effect, so I moved up to 2 drops, no dice. Tried 2 drops a few days later and just crashed horribly, huge anxiety and hairloss and I spent a few days with my dick just looking like I got out of a cold shower.
I was trying to be careful too since I only wanted to stabilize things on my bad days , I probably only used it 5 or 6 times over 3 weeks
I had a blood test before that and my T was high range (bit over upper) and a few months later after the pansterone it had halved. Also high prolactin and progesterone was supposed to be something like 0.2-<0.6 and it was 2.2 (high prog is common for post ssri though, just thought it worth mentioning).
Anyway, not to discourage anyone from trying it if they know what they're doing (I certainly didn't), just a cautionary tale.

As for the idea that these kind of disorders can make you less attractive, I think at the very least that people definitely pick up on it when you're in a bad way and it effects them. I think there's a lot of body language cues that you let on when you're not feeling your best, some subtle and some not, and in my experience it can mean the difference between attractive women flirting with you unprovoked and random strangers looking at you like a bag of sick.
I definitely wouldn't rule out that there's more to it than just body language though. I know with me it affects everything when I'm feeling right. People want to socialize with me more, trust my opinions at work more, give me free shit... everything. It's honestly spooky sometimes.
...maybe our auras are all fucked up and we all need to bung some crystals up our kundalini holes

 

[TubZy]

On pansterone, that stuff really fucked me up. And I wasn't even going close to the recommended dose, I think it said 4 drops and I never went past 2, never used it on consecutive days either. Sounds like it was working much differently on me than some of the people in this thread though. First time I used it I felt great, got rid of my gyno instantly, gave me the stable androgenic feeling I had on my good days which was the reason I tried it for in the first place. Every time after that was less and less effect, so I moved up to 2 drops, no dice. Tried 2 drops a few days later and just crashed horribly, huge anxiety and hairloss and I spent a few days with my dick just looking like I got out of a cold shower.
I was trying to be careful too since I only wanted to stabilize things on my bad days , I probably only used it 5 or 6 times over 3 weeks
I had a blood test before that and my T was high range (bit over upper) and a few months later after the pansterone it had halved. Also high prolactin and progesterone was supposed to be something like 0.2-<0.6 and it was 2.2 (high prog is common for post ssri though, just thought it worth mentioning).
Anyway, not to discourage anyone from trying it if they know what they're doing (I certainly didn't), just a cautionary tale.

As for the idea that these kind of disorders can make you less attractive, I think at the very least that people definitely pick up on it when you're in a bad way and it effects them. I think there's a lot of body language cues that you let on when you're not feeling your best, some subtle and some not, and in my experience it can mean the difference between attractive women flirting with you unprovoked and random strangers looking at you like a bag of sick.
I definitely wouldn't rule out that there's more to it than just body language though. I know with me it affects everything when I'm feeling right. People want to socialize with me more, trust my opinions at work more, give me free shit... everything. It's honestly spooky sometimes.
...maybe our auras are all fucked up and we all need to bung some crystals up our kundalini holes

Check out this thread, it talks about the issues of taking hormones and why they turn off different pathways

Testosterone, Progesterone, Cortisol and Pregnenolone Pathways

 

[joekool]

Just want to say, very good topic and support from everyone... lots of informative personal experiences from everyone with supportive responses...

I agree with you @Gumbo , it had some better effects at first but I was too much in the throws of PFS ...