Awareness Campaign For Medical Malpractice

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Hello everyone,

Some of you may have read my post about raising awareness. I've been brainstorming with others to create a more realistic approach to fulfill our goals.
One of the goals is to unite all people injured by negligent medical practices to unite as one to address the core issue that there is ridiculous irresponsibility and it is preventable.
The need to unite is because we recognize that presently, every malpractice case has been addressed individually as isolated and rare cases. Meanwhile if one compiles all of these cases together, you find malpractice to be very common. This fragmenting of the injured is very convenient for lawyers, doctors and companies. Together our voice is louder and finally the root issue of preventable malpractice is addressed by changing current laws and putting new ones in. Also the goal is to put all controversial drugs and devices under new independent peer reviewed trials and studies(including generational studies).

The campaign launch will feature an initial video of prominent journalists, researchers, doctors and professors that understand the widespread preventable malpractice conducted by the medical community. This video will be about 2 minutes long and feature them briefly explaining malpractice cases of the past and present and how it affected the victims. They will then urge all people affected to come foward and record a 1 to 5 minute video of themselves sharing their struggle with malpractice to their friends and family and in it asking them for support and to share the video. Everyone will post their videos on social media and share them. The initial video will also urge other professionals to come foward in agreement for the need for change for the sake of the health of all patients. And to once again establish trust between patient and doctor.

This is the First Stage of the campaign. We're looking for P.H.D professors in the stem fields, doctors and researchers that are willing to participate. We also need us as forums to reach out to other forums in an effort to come together and get the proper health care, resources, research and change to protect our families and friends.

Any thoughts, input, advice is greatly appreciated.

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I see something difficult: doctors are already afraid of doing bad, and take too much precautions, for example leading to extra c-sections, because doctors are afraid to be responsible if the birth goes bad. How will you get the right definition of what is a negligent practice? Who is responsible? Physicians? Their teachers?

Awareness should also got both ways: we cannot get treated blindly, and most people still expect to come out of their doctor's office with a prescription drug. And doctor have little time, not enough, for consultations. And also, the social insurance limits them: there are tests they are not allowed to ask for patients until they are seriously more ill.

So you need to go for a very global job, and not at all trying to find only one party who is guilty. If you look for responsibilising everybody, I see it good! I would run the campain around the theme of self awareness and responsability. Then if they are not accused, doctors can also accept self responsibility, without feeling at war.

Life style is so important that anybody can look for ones own responsability, in my opinion....
 

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i love the idea! its gunna be tough tho since doctors, the pharmacuticals and FDA and all government organizations dont give a shit about us or our health. doctors dont cure anything nor are they careful. they have insurance that protects them from malpractice and in my opinion everything they do is malpractice. someone is prescribed with an SSRI; thats malpractice to me. someone gets cancer and they are treated with chemo; that malpractice since chemo doesnt cure cancer it just kills the person in hopes the cancer does first.

im 100% in on this idea, but we are going up against not only an unstoppable force, but also one that brainwashes ppl and uses scare tactics to fool people in believing they need anything from big pharma even tho 99% of any pharmaceutical is useless.

getting some well respected doctors would help. some of my favorite doctors are Dr. Leanard Coldwell and dr. peter gliddon and Dr stephanie seneff as these three all know and preach about the bullshit and facade that is the FDA and big pharma.
 

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Awareness of the people first. I am sure a lot of doctors really think they do well and that conventional medicine works, so it is not malpractice.
Awareness about life-style. SSRI is about having anxiety, and you can choose how to heal yourself only if you are aware that medicine does not have a lot to propose... Many people are happy with SSRI anyway! Quick fix is good when you suffer.

I have heard a warning to somebody having cholesterol, blood pressure and high sugar issues, because he was eating what he should not, and he answered.... :rolleyes: "I don't mind, then i go to the doctor, it is free with my insurance, and it is fixed with a pill." o_O:eek::mad:
 

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Yes! People need awareness. Also thank you for your input. We must consider the language we use in addressing this issue.
Is this problem malpractice, irresponsibility, ignorance or a combination of all three?

We know if the language used is too vague and indirect, we have the possibility of not gaining the deserved attention and change.

We must think of this carefully.
Maybe we can call it malpractice due to irresponsibility?
 

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This is a good idea, we have in PSSD Forum some people doing this, David Healy is trying to, but, without some really big name helping, its nearly useless... The big pharma managed to hijack the western medicine to an extent where Drs are brainwashed, where researches are done with the only intent to develop a drug to TREAT something, where they had the regulation organizations at their hands. If somehow one of those philanthropists backed the campaing, then we would had a chance.

Awareness of the people first. I am sure a lot of doctors really think they do well and that conventional medicine works, so it is not malpractice.

Yes they really believe, blindly, that the drugs are good and they are doing the right thing, add this to an inflated ego, and you have malpractice due to irresponsability as Reverse said...
 

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We must consider the language we use in addressing this issue.
Language and concepts beneath lenguage yes I think....

Yes they really believe, blindly, that the drugs are good and they are doing the right thing, add this to an inflated ego, and you have malpractice due to irresponsability as Reverse said...
(I am not talking personaly to you down there)
Do you think it is only doctors? Patients no?
I know some doctors who want to do it different, and they say they are blocked by the patients themselves!

Only people who have the direct experience of suffering from lack of health do the necessary! Would members of this forum here think the same without the injury they suffer? Has you sense of responsibility changed? Were you one day ready to tempt everything to keep you hair, remove your acne, solve anxiety? Have you already decided to not take a medicine because of the side-effects? Have you all the time had a healthy life-style? Did you ever have a life-style you thought was good and then changed it for better?

I myself was feeling much better after fasting,and then was tempted by fruits, and though little... I am nearly back to september.... sigh... sleep less, sweat, irritability, now I think this is cortisol agin. And again I am fighting agaisnt the view of my nice oranges... chewing dandelion like a rabbit and eating my meat.

Have you noticed that when talking about "responsibility", it is always others'? Always.

Then it is all the system. Have you seen any company not making profit? People working for no money? And people ready to pay the price for better quality? Work life is mad because of having to make profit, because of competitivity, because of having to lower prices etc. It is not only medicine, it is all. People spend lots of miney on all those useless things in stores, excercise out of their job because all becomes separated, you have a job in office and then you need to work out, and then you have no time to rest. And you change nothing until you get ill. So it was lack of responsibility too, and then you understand it is lack of informations and that many things are super complicated. Aha moment.

I have read a forum in another language where people defend the products you accuse here, and don't want to believe people who tell them to stop. And they say they have been on fin for years, and no they will not stop it, because they are happy with the prescription!

But you can ask for bigger warning, and then users are responsible....
 

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Do you think it is only doctors? Patients no?
I know some doctors who want to do it different, and they say they are blocked by the patients themselves!

Only people who have the direct experience of suffering from lack of health do the necessary! Would members of this forum here think the same without the injury they suffer? Has you sense of responsibility changed? Were you one day ready to tempt everything to keep you hair, remove your acne, solve anxiety? Have you already decided to not take a medicine because of the side-effects? Have you all the time had a healthy life-style? Did you ever have a life-style you thought was good and then changed it for better?

All of this would be solved if the doctors warned about the side effects and the possibilities of extreme problems like pfs/pssd/pas.


Have you noticed that when talking about "responsibility", it is always others'? Always.

In this case yes, its all Drs responsability.! They spent years studying, doing residency, researching, they are the ones with the RIGHT to prescribe us the drugs that they were supposed to know about! Oh and they charge a lot to do this! So no, the responsability isnt in the hands of the patient who knows shit about medicine, who is suffering and just want help!


I have read a forum in another language where people defend the products you accuse here, and don't want to believe people who tell them to stop. And they say they have been on fin for years, and no they will not stop it, because they are happy with the prescription!

If they were warned about the possibility and still wants to use this drugs, in this case, yes they are responsible.



IF everyone was warned about the possible problems, then yes the responsability would be ours, but this dont happen! Big pharma made sure that this info dont end up on the patients hands, and they do it using the Drs... just look at Zyprexa case and Paroxetine Study 329...
 

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All of this would be solved if the doctors warned about the side effects and the possibilities of extreme problems like pfs/pssd/pas.
I have never seen any drug without a long list of warning effects ...that almost nobody reads.

Last year I had a obligatory prescription for antibio from dentist, and I went to look for it.... I went back to the dentist very crossed because he asked me nothing about my health, and no way I would take something with all these possible side effects!!!!! He changed it, but he said most people would not have cared because the side effects are not often.... And the pharmacy refused to take back the tablets i had just bought.... of couorse I read the paper not in the shop!

But the problem was the same with abestos, they would have lost so much money from investment that they said nothing when side effects were discovered.
IT IS NOT ONLY DRUGS, AND IT IS IN ALL PROFESSIONS.

Here, agricultors bought all the DDT they could when they heard it was going to be prohibited!

I have done a little study in anthropology course, and it is not always the fault of doctors, I have found a historical case where DOCTORS changed the law, and CLIENTS tried to get over the interdiction to get the prohibited product! And it was killing babies!!! (more than a century ago)

The common point I have seen in all cases humans use something that might be dangerous, is the facility that offers the product ...when all goes right. it is easier to take a pill than change life-style. Abestos also had big advantages. I build ecological, and I can tell you it is hell difficult. If I tell people they should stop using laundry product and perfumes and change soap, they dismiss the possible secondary effects. In FB a woman asked for a healer for this herpes pain, and people answered badly and told her to use valaclovir.... Here we still have people healing with prayers and it works, but there are less and less. There are alternatives, if people ask, then the rest will follow. Offers follow demand more than the reverse.
 

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I think the campaign will focus on medical drug and device safety and new independent studies by bringing up the current cases and cases of the past.
There would also be a law making the approval process for drugs and devices now on the market more strict and transparent.

So it will be about responsible medicine instead of involving malpractice as this would probably cause too many arguments and debates of what malpractice is.
 

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What's about inducing professionals to look more into the predisposition of people for some of the side-effect?

I think they do not do it also because apart from time consuming, they think it frightened people, who might get afraid of having a side effect, and this could create nocebo.... (I love placebo and they should try to induce it more!) Not all people are sensitive about working hand in hand with their practitioner. And most people prefer to have the solution to their problems and take some % of risk.... So it is up to the practitionner to chack out more. I remember this was done quite well for women who wanted the pill. They were asking for family problems and personal problems, blood circulation, blood sugar levels...

So if pfs etc happen to a very small % of people, they should try to detect how people can figure out if they are at risk more than others, and what are the predisposing factors, and discuss it before prescribing.

Also, as happened with my dentist, it is not acceptable that I discover the side effects only after buying the drug! Good for me, I knew myself and that I had several predspositions to get the side effects.
 

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Your original post was great...

*Admins and everyone the family here at hackstasis. I'm posting this in this thread because it seems to have the most views and I think its important for many to see this. I don't mean to intrude but this is important and is an idea I found to raise awareness and change things.*

I have 4 close friends that all took different meds the past year. Meds that they didn't need but were recommended by docs. And guess what???

They ALL got the "rare" side effects.

In regards to PFS. With everything I've read, my honest gut feeling is that Merk is giving us the run around. Much in the same way Johnson & Johnson did for about 20-30 years, destroying lives via a medical device(morcellator).
Medscape: Medscape Access

The side-effects aren't difficult to prove scientifically. It would take effort but a VERY strong case could be made with enough evidence.
Evidence which can only come from independent researchers.

Example: chemo therapy was finally admitted to be poisonous. New studies found that the 3rd generation offspring of women that had chemo therapy are 70% likely to be infertile. And yet there hasn't been a massive push to get EVERYTHING currently on the medical market tested independently.

IDEA FOR CHANGE:
a centralized movement between all forums of different medical issues is much stronger to battle medical malpractice than individually fighting separately. This way, the picture is bigger and the voice is louder.

For example, those suffering from PSSD, PFS and other medical malpractice unite. Yes it is medical malpractice not "rare" side effects people are dealing with. "Rare side effects" is the language major pharmaceutical companies use. Stop repeating it and you will see change. Language is a powerful thing.

The medical community must feel pressure from the ground up for any change to happen. That's why you start with your family and friends. Show them the cases I mentioned and if u want to, throw in PFS and PSSD. But generally I think people are more sympathetic to cancer Malpractice. After you share the cancer Malpractice cases and Pfs and PSSD cases, you each make an appointment individually to your local doctor and tell them you and your family/friends will no longer participate in being injured by pharmaceuticals and the lack of responsibility by the doctor community. Tell them you will not even go for a checkup until the law is passed and several medications have undergone the new studies. Record the conversation with you doctor and then post it on social media.

The push is for a general law that forces all medications and devices on the market for the past 70 years to be examined under new guidelines by the choosing of both sufferers and the FDA. Not the b.s. idea that you need 10 years of research to determine the mechanism to then bring it to court.

What I'm suggesting is new independent medical trials to show how they effect people and offspring. Much like the ones Merk claims they performed honestly.

Imagine if everyone was doing this and posting it instead of the ice bucket challenge or some silly dance trend like dabbing.
This is how you raise awareness, make it a challenge for change.

I will be doing this starting today and urge my family and friends to do the same. Maybe call it - "The Responsible Medicine Challenge"?

With respect,

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@Kiwiii here i mentionned the forum you know about, and it would be good if you share your conclusions about the users point of view about fin! It shows that not all users will be happy with a campain against some meds...

Also as I told you, some of your symptoms and state were somehow visible before, which means that the malpractise is that they say there can be some rare side effects, BUT they do to tell WHO is at risk!

So one way to progress is to look for the common points between people who have reacted. As meds side effects are an agression to the body, it means the autonomic nervous syste or ANS, is reacting. Which means that it is very probable that most of post-younameit are more likely to have had averse experiences in life, not only emotional, as that it can include previous poisonning by chemicals, thus the smell sensitivity to perfumes that some have, It can include early surgeries, drowning as a child, your mother having had a car accident during your pregnancy...

By some professionals it is already very well known to sensitize the nervous system to further "attacks"! But it is not known by doctors, as I know doctors who studied the nervous system in the most recent knowledge we have, and they discover it litterally! Those doctors will never tell you anymore that it is in your head! Even panick attacks and anxiety can have a tonsilectomy as an origin! And of course you might react to meds that will not provoque anything to others... That is what labs have to figure out: what is likely to make you more at risk of developping a rare side effect. I'd bet it can be all that has shaken your ANS too much. And this is not your head at all, it is the same as having your muscular system or your digestive system overwhelmed. And as this has gained an aura of shame, this of thinking it is mental and in the head, I understand that it is not easy for any of you to look into that direction. If you really know this is not mental but physiological, then there is no problem! The only problem is the nerves problem that the aggression from a chemical is doing to you.

This is what I understand because I have believed most of my life that chemicals that decades ago affected my mom during her pregnancy had affected only my liver and pancreas.... and nobody ever told me that it had affected my ANS. Chemicals DO affect this organ. The ANS is an organ.
 

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What's about inducing professionals to look more into the predisposition of people for some of the side-effect?

I think they do not do it also because apart from time consuming, they think it frightened people, who might get afraid of having a side effect, and this could create nocebo.... (I love placebo and they should try to induce it more!) Not all people are sensitive about working hand in hand with their practitioner. And most people prefer to have the solution to their problems and take some % of risk.... So it is up to the practitionner to chack out more. I remember this was done quite well for women who wanted the pill. They were asking for family problems and personal problems, blood circulation, blood sugar levels...

So if pfs etc happen to a very small % of people, they should try to detect how people can figure out if they are at risk more than others, and what are the predisposing factors, and discuss it before prescribing.

Also, as happened with my dentist, it is not acceptable that I discover the side effects only after buying the drug! Good for me, I knew myself and that I had several predspositions to get the side effects.

I think a healthy person has predisposition to any side-effects of any medication. Most likely, side-effects of medications hit everyone. The only difference between people is the severity of the side-effect and which side-effect you will get. I think these differences are based more on RNA rather than DNA. Remember that this exposure to pharmaceuticals is a new impact to the human genome, therefore it would be almost impossible to find some people being resistant to these things. It is not part of our evolution. Much in the same way as expecting to find someone who is not predisposed to having a reaction to poison ivy or steroid, or cigarette use. We are all predisposed because these are poisons/semi-poisons to the body.

What we have today is more than likely pseudo-science and fraudulent studies/trials that show low incidence of side-effects from medications. Also we must remember that doctors don't advise people to cycle on and off of medications or to do PCT in order to ensure proper epigenetic expression, receptor health and RNA transcription. They effectively change the language within the human body without knowing or don't care because the law makes them immune to prosecution. The odd thing is why in the U.S. doctors are above the law, almost as though the system behind them knows they are deceiving both doctors and patients. Well this is something that won't be part of the campaign because there will be many that stand up and claim "but we have clinical trials in controlled studies" "we have science" "what proof do you have?" Then one would point to those who's lives have been affected and they would say "yes, but the studies show this is rare" "go, do your studies and then return in ten years". There is no way to currently get funding for such studies unfortunately.

Another issue is that doctors will rarely link a patients side-effects to the drug they were prescribed. Why? Firstly, it jeopardizes their reputation. Second, doctors are most likely taught to only diagnose an issue and not spend their time checking if it was caused by a drug. Doctors are also brain washed to believe things are rare.

It will take a massive movement to change things, like how women are coming foward and exposing the people in power who have sexually abused them.
 

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It will take a massive movement to change things, like how women are coming foward and exposing the people in power who have sexually abused them.
The common point you can see is that you will find articles saying that men are not participating enough! Though they are concerned, as they live with the doubt that they can be considered as potential abusers....
Then you also see there that people will misinterprete the campain, like for example, the right campain and wish of women is further than abuse, it is about having to stay vigilant when around men! The worse is vigilance, permanent vigilence. A serial killer might directly wound a few persons physically, but wounds with fear up to millions as long as he is free!
 

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I think a healthy person has predisposition to any side-effects of any medication. Most likely, side-effects of medications hit everyone. The only difference between people is the severity of the side-effect and which side-effect you will get. I think these differences are based more on RNA rather than DNA. Remember that this exposure to pharmaceuticals is a new impact to the human genome, therefore it would be almost impossible to find some people being resistant to these things. It is not part of our evolution. Much in the same way as expecting to find someone who is not predisposed to having a reaction to poison ivy or steroid, or cigarette use. We are all predisposed because these are poisons/semi-poisons to the body.

This is half right.

Because of the shame and guilt put on anything that is said to be mental and caused by personal believes only, nobody sees the nervous system as the main ORGAN of the body! And this is why genetics is put as a front page!

Remember that this exposure to pharmaceuticals is a new impact to the human genome,

Remember that this exposure to pharmaceuticals is a new impact to the human nervous system!

therefore it would be almost impossible to find some people being resistant to these things. It is not part of our evolution.

It is part of our evolution to be resistant or even better said resilient, to any aggression.
You can unite your campain to one for chemical sensibility! This is the same! Caused by the collapse of body's pathways.... and there is a link to the nervous system, both autonomic and limbic, like when they have this acute smell sensitivity.

I think a healthy person has predisposition to any side-effects of any medication. Most likely, side-effects of medications hit everyone. The only difference between people is the severity of the side-effect and which side-effect you will get.

When you say "everyone", this is because we still do not know which are the predisposing factors. And also because there is a general rejection of the role of the nervous system, and a misconception of how it is involved. When you say everyone, you do not know in what state was the nervous system, because as an organ, it is not checked... People practising any stress reduction technique know that they can have an influence on this organ, and this is the less possible treatment for obtaining a patent!

When you say "healthy person", this is under the influence of our conception of health, that divides people among healthy and unhealthy, making a dichotomy that does not exists. Like cold and hot, this is a mere scale on the same thermometer.

The point where I see we meet is when you say "which side-effect". That is the point were to attack: when the doctor has not been able to sort out if you had a predisposition for having a side-effect and which one. When we are prescribed the pill, which is the best example of hormones prescription, doctors know what to ask and check in their history, and the history of the family, and estimate the risk.

And then a doctor told me that she new that drugs had bad effects too, but that she was just putting in the balance which was the best to do for SHORT term. If a person wants to heal, medicines are poisons, even herbal ones. With side effects but life saving sometimes. And many compassionate doctors are just crazy that people do not take care of themselves with diet, exercise and rest. Also, some prescribe anti-inflammatories and painkillers just because patients say they cannot afford to go off work. There are some social and personal blockages for medicine to work as it is said to have worked in ayurveda or chinese medicine... And we as patients and drug consumers do have part of the responsibility. Most people get aware of some problems only when they are touched personally. That is why, same as the women's right campaign, you will have difficulties in touching people who are not concerned. I know more about problems people with chemical sensitivity meet in their life and even with their relatives that cannot admit to just hear and accept what they do not understand because they do not live it. Widen and broaden the cause, and see the main point that do not help sufferers: lack of support around them, because of lack of comprehension of what is happening.

All of you who still use conventional laundry washing products are doing the same mistake as taking any medication with side-effects.
Who of us here are off those "drugs"?
Me up to a certain point, as I still have to stand to breathe it from others... At least it does not go through my skin...

The only difference between people is the severity of the side-effect and which side-effect you will get.
All people not doing the above paragraph prove there is another point that is not taken into account, and post-drug-syndrom sufferers will recognize this surprising point: how long do you resist to the drug before having a side-effect?
 

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After I'm done with this (or perhaps before, if I move back soon), I will talk to two doctors I trust. One of them, on the cutting-edge of research for Mood disorders. I think he'll be very interested for the sake of his patients, what finasteride can do. He's brilliant and absorbs information extremely fast. I'm kind of upset with him for non-pfs reasons. When I am better I will see him. Maybe he can do studies related to 5alpha reductase / 5beta reductase and mood regulation. He does studies all the time. I was trying to make an appointment to see him last year but I was way too sick. Now I'm doing it on my own and with the people here at Hackstasis. I still am interested in hearing what he has to say, and would be very surprised if he has not seen bad side effects from Accutane or finasteride. He deals in serious psychopharmacology so of course he's seen PSSD/ SSRI/SNRI effects (me and many included). Unless he's so indoctrinated with Pharma-- I think he's too smart for that. He runs a department of a major hospital (mood disorder psychopharmacology / neuroimaging section) and is a university professor. He was interested in insulin and also inositol based treatments for mood disorders (future). I won't go there for treatment but just to follow up and ask him what he thinks of this and can he find out more. While I still hate pharma I wish I had seen him or my other doctor before my first one at 19/20--- they'd both have avoided SNRI's and SSRI's for me. That's long in the past but was quite hectic.

I'd be the first to avoid doctors based on my history, but they aren't all bad. Surgeons saved two of my cousin's lives (brain surgery) and my best friend's life too (a few times). I like a few of them. Like lawyers, you hope to never need them - but when you do need them, you want the best of the best. I'm thankful for a few docs that I will see long-term after all this (most not that often). It took a lot of bad stuff to get to them though and I am unhappy about a lot of those experiences.
 
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There's a TL;DR at the end. If this is too much and off-topic, I'll move it. Essay on Pharma Drugs: Thoughts on the Patient's Choice between symptom control and side effects amidst asymmetric information.
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"I think a healthy person has predisposition to any side-effects of any medication. Most likely, side effects of medications hit everyone. The only difference between people is the severity of the side-effect and which side-effect you will get."

If those side effects are tolerable that's one thing, but "tolerable" differs person to person. And advertising skews the general perception towards its "benefits" quite significantly. As do studies heavily focused on proving the benefits of medications rather than their ills. The problem is often a patient doesn't know what choice he or she is making. They don't know the risks -- and the doctors don't either. For instance I had drug-caused Mania from Effexor XR. My rookie psychiatrist has no experience compared to a veteran to it (or me). It depends on our value system and our schemas. A "Schema" is a pattern of thought or behavior that organizes categories of information and the relationships among them. Schemata help us understand our rapidly changing environment to quickly make decisions. Mine has changed a lot, throughout my youth and adulthood and was heavily influenced by medication experiences. My schema in dealing with physicians and medical issues as a whole changed due to my reactions to meds and how I was treated.

An "innocent" clean-slate at 18 isn't indicative of the same schemata that someone who is 21 and has been scorned by medication. Nor is a doctor's schemata of patient-drug relationships the same if they've seen many terrible adverse reactions or if they have rarely seen them occur. The physician in the first case would act differently than the physician in the second case. The first case would result in the physician acting less trigger-happy on prescribing medications than the physician in the second case. Just as someone who has never had any medication would act differently than someone who has had a lot, when faced with the decision to medicate or not. And someone with 1 or more adverse events versus someone with a similar medication history and zero adverse events would diverge in a similar fashion.

If the doctors are to blame: So are Ad agencies, pharma (of course), and society at large, and the FDA (and similar organizations worldwide), unbridled capitalism. for disconnecting people to the point that they need to seek chemical solutions to their problems. I'm sure meds have helped some though -- as per the drug ratings online and my personal life. Do I hate most? Yes.
-Former Big Pharma Chief Officers serve on the FDA.
-I'm blaming capitalism somewhat and I'm a capitalist myself.

Everything in our body is chemical (electrochemical and neurochemical?) and like @Canari says - mostly none of us (or anyone) are free from "drugs"/chemicals on some level.
The problem is when the choice for something with serious ramifications is removed --- that's where a "crime" or injustice is committed. I know stimulants cause bruxism, insomnia, etc. I'm fine with it when healthy --- I wouldn't have 2 degrees without it, nor been able to pay rent back then. When side effects are not known, thought to be unknown, believed to be impossible, or simply anomalies, or that the patient is lying/crazy - that's a huge problem. And of course, there's no independence between drug research and big pharma (the makers of those drugs and holders of patents, with the singular right to produce, market, and sell them (for a time)). I know that smoking causes cancer, as a 20-year-old smoking -- it was a temporary crutch/ way to deal with anxiety. Same with drinking, I know it causes grey matter death. I didn't then, but now I can make more informed decisions about it.

I did not know of the risks of Effexor nor the likelihood that finasteride would affect my mood, cognition, and physicality. This is because of me listening to patient reports and because that information is hidden. It's hidden by profit-maximizing firms (Pfizer, Merck, GSK, Novartis, Shire, etc). That intrinsic human right of "informed choice" was taken away from me. That's a crime.

-"Groupthink" is at play as well, as there are so many people that would say (online) "it's in your head bro."; "I'm fine, only lazy or out of shape people get side effects."Most of the world at large is ignorant, that's not an excuse - but a fact. People often don't have the resources, time, mental capacity, empathy, nor ability to think far beyond their own personal vicinity at times.

Also when doctors ignore or make that judgment call (priorities of benefits vs. costs) for the patient, major problems arise. After 16 or so, I never left health up to family doctors nor basic doctors. This is because I saw how ludicrous they were. (Still didn't save me though). It's in my hands, the best I can control it. I was not made aware of the risks of Effexor XR and I thought I'd notice Finasteride sooner (I read up on it but I was really concerned with my hair). I only got into this situation because most "mood disorder specialists" have little to say about hair loss as a side effect of anticonvulsants. -- Had they researched like I did (especially after), they'd have better things to tell me or at least consider that this wasn't a choice I was willing to make. The psychiatrist's schema of what's wrong with a patient and what's important and unimportant is different from mine and what becomes of that patient later will similarly diverge.

"Another issue is that doctors will rarely link a patients side effects to the drug they were prescribed. Why? Firstly, it jeopardizes their reputation. Second, doctors are most likely taught to only diagnose an issue and not spend their time checking if a drug caused it. Doctors are also brain washed to believe things are rare."

I agree with this statement 100% because I've changed the minds of some doctors and showed them that what they think is not based on pure scientific reasoning. They aren't taught that much about every single possible side effect. I think that to get closer to being able to make a proper choice --- ask a doctor with that condition and ask if they take the medication, or would they put their son or daughter on it?

A lot of it is willful ignorance. Many people want to believe they're doing the right thing, doctors who grew up being altruistic want to believe that on net they are helping people and that the person with SJS, PFS, PSSD, PAS, seizures, etc. from medications are the "rarity". The schema of doctors in relation to their patients, their product vendors (pharma), and that of society with respect to pharma must change. It doesn't end there though.

Also there's the scarcity of time. I myself put myself first, due to lack of time -- all the time, because you can't literally save/help everyone if you can't help yourself.
-When teaching hospitals are funded by pharma and lunches are afforded by young, attractive pharmaceutical sales reps, what do we really expect?
(Mostly) Everyone has a price. Whether it's time, income, status, or just job security.

My own family and some former friends still think I just have it was "anxiety"/"bad decisions" on my part (Effexor issues). In actuality, it was drug-caused (medication), why I left home overnight in the middle of a winter term. Some of them are willfully ignorant. Explaining wtf happened with finasteride to specialists is hard for me let alone to family members and largely a waste of time. So society at large? So if it's a "waste of time" -- then of course it’s not taken seriously. People can only hold so much attention in their "mental space", at the end of the day human beings are selfish. People act based on self-incentive and that often means self-protection as well as putting their needs ahead of others. Even so, someone should be held accountable. Maybe, the entire system. The system that makes parents think "Of course, let's try Accutane!" for their acne-afflicted teen, the system that makes young men reach for finasteride to keep their hairline in check. And the system that says some anxiety or depression or not being like everyone else is not okay. The system with the "quick fix" pill and happy people laughing it up on TV ads, and the doctors who mention that side effects are "temporary", because the drugs are "well tolerated" according to their lectures and textbooks and patient-information sheets, thereby spreading misinformation and enabling asymmetric information to flourish between the drug suppliers (Pharma) and the users (the patients and customers).

TL;DR

It's a systematic lack of empathy that causes most of the suffering in the world. This is true of medication syndromes. The patient becomes a victim of the "good-intentioned" system.
And some of us become like "them", because we can't beat them. For what it's worth - Hackstasis has restored some of my faith in humanity. I'm excited there are a lot of highly intelligent and disciplined people here working on these issues. I actually wish I had access to such minds when I was still a kid.


Postface:

As far as I'm concerned it's me versus everything. Or it was, but every time I tried to get "medical" help (medication), most of the times it ended badly. So even though eventually I knew better, I made the same mistake more than once. It's my schema that's affected and perhaps inescapable at this point, because it's become so ingrained. Not the "quick-fix" mentality of searching for a "chemical solution", but rather the damages to opportunities, relationships, and finances, and most of all time that has occured because of medication-illness. There is hope though. We must fight "the system" out there, but also the one that's been imprinted inside of us. One thing that might stop major adverse drug reactions and persistent illnesses like PSSD, PFS, and PAS is genetic testing and screening of patients to ensure they will not react badly. There are some screenings available right now (at CAMH for instance) but it is far from perfect and is significantly underutilized as of this writing.

-sorry for the long reads. I'm really bored right now. Also sorry if this is jumping around a lot. I had better points about the "schemas" and such, but it was getting too long. So I leave this slightly messed up.
 
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One thing to consider is, why does the general public tolerate a company that has more than likely knowingly caused cancer thru their products? Most people will see a lawyers malpractice ad and just continue on with their day as though they just heard the weather report.

Take the recent Johnson & Johnson baby powder case. Why are people allowing such a company to stay in buisness or escape justice by paying off law suits???
It's cancer and other chronic diseases they caused, things that don't go away easily and torture people.

I guess people don't realize they could easily be the victim tomorrow of another poison. And it'd mostly be their fault because of apathy.

It's as though people need celebrities to back a cause for them to even react. smh.
 

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One thing to consider is, why does the general public tolerate a company that has more than likely knowingly caused cancer thru their products? Most people will see a lawyers malpractice ad and just continue on with their day as though they just heard the weather report.

Take the recent Johnson & Johnson baby powder case. Why are people allowing such a company to stay in buisness or escape justice by paying off law suits???
It's cancer and other chronic diseases they caused, things that don't go away easily and torture people.

I guess people don't realize they could easily be the victim tomorrow of another poison. And it'd mostly be their fault because of apathy.

It's as though people need celebrities to back a cause for them to even react. smh.
I think part of the problem is that even devastating, real-world problems have become a form of entertainment (e.g. shock headlines, true crime, 24hr news stations, etc). Public consciousness is supersaturated with the horrors of the world, to the point where we've become numb to it all. Sadly, we really are amusing ourselves to death :/