FINASTERIDE SIGNIFICANTLY UPREGULATES ANDROGEN RECEPTOR in this study ( PROTOCOLS and discussions for PFS)

[IHateFin]

@TubZy @BeLikeWater , when are you finally going to consume some of that anavar, that we have been talking about for so long LOL I think @IHateFin might beat you to it . HAHA

I got anavar coming in! Ya boy doesn't waste anytime!!! I'm compulsive like that... lol

 

[Helen]

I got anavar coming in! Ya boy doesn't waste anytime!!! I'm compulsive like that... lol

Haha, I knew it. I have been taking caprylic today all day along with mct. Dont feel anything. just oil. seems to give a little energy.

 

[IHateFin]

Haha, I knew it. I have been taking caprylic today all day along with mct. Dont feel anything. just oil. seems to give a little energy.

I wrote in the mct oil thread and my log but I'm not feeling anything significant but could be the caprilyic acid... took 2 last night and 4 this morning took 2 at lunch and just took another two.. each has like 500mg of caprilyic acid. Also took mct oil tsp in water this morning too.
Mood is good, libido is good.. noticed my balls are a bit fuller just now but I can't say much else so can't chalk it up to this since it's not significant enough.. we will see how I feel after these two pills kick in and I'll take another 2 in 3 hours... I don't just do.. I over do

Slept better last night n had better wood and had a sex dream too.. could be a coincidence tho..

 

[Helen]

I wrote in the mct oil thread and my log but I'm not feeling anything significant but could be the caprilyic acid... took 2 last night and 4 this morning took 2 at lunch and just took another two.. each has like 500mg of caprilyic acid. Also took mct oil tsp in water this morning too.
Mood is good, libido is good.. noticed my balls are a bit fuller just now but I can't say much else so can't chalk it up to this since it's not significant enough.. we will see how I feel after these two pills kick in and I'll take another 2 in 3 hours... I don't just do.. I over do

LMAO. I took about 8 pills today , bud . I doubled my balls on potassium within 2-3 days. So far dont feel anything on oils. Stop playing with your balls , they do get bigger when you play with them you know )) LOL


Do you have capric also?

 

[brix]

I got anavar coming in! Ya boy doesn't waste anytime!!! I'm compulsive like that... lol

Don’t you have to do PCT for that? Feels like it defeats the purpose if you have to upregulate again after lol

 

[IHateFin]

Don’t you have to do PCT for that? Feels like it defeats the purpose if you have to upregulate again after lol

The guy from Spain who did it didn't need pct. the suppression he got may have actually helped

 

[IHateFin]

LMAO. I took about 8 pills today , bud . I doubled my balls on potassium within 2-3 days. So far dont feel anything on oils. Stop playing with your balls , they do get bigger when you play with them you know )) LOL


Do you have capric also?

I have not ordered that one yet, but I finally found one that has that particular acid isolated on Amazon! So after I give this a few days I'll order it and add that in

LOL why are my balls not 10 lbs yet then!?!? Haha I play with them all the damn time!

 

[hairsuit]

My grand pop always used to say, “If you play with it too much, it’ll fall off...”. So there’s that.....

 

[JDD]

My grand pop always used to say, “If you play with it too much, it’ll fall off...”. So there’s that.....

But also...if you don’t use it you lose it. It’s all a very delicate balance

 

[Regirice]

The guy from Spain who did it didn't need pct. the suppression he got may have actually helped

Is there a log or transcribed account on the net somewhere detailing what he did it results, experience, etc

 

[IHateFin]

Is there a log or transcribed account on the net somewhere detailing what he did it results, experience, etc

You gotta talk to @BeLikeWater since I think it's someone he is contact with

 

[jacknap]

Yeah, this is what happened to me. Took superdrol, then came off, receptors were downregulated, got flooded with estrogen then DHT (I did no PCT and felt great coming off cycle, zero negative PCT symptoms). I had insane libido and lot of sebum post cycle. About 3-6 months later I noticed my hair thinned out very quick, then started to even get thinner after that. Then I took fin which stopped the hair thinning and I regained a lot of my hair back since it upregulated androgen receptors, but at the cost of very low libido and a million other sides. I also used the topical drug RU58841 during a short time coming off fin which blocks the AR which would even upregulate the AR even MORE, same reason why @jacknap crashed from RU58841 (different from the anti prog drug RU on here). Funny thing is I responded greatly both to fin and RU58841 from a hair perspective, both of them totally reversed and regrew my hair in a short period of time, but at a cost.

So I went from normal receptors then to downregulated receptors then to upregulated receptors and now need to downregulate them again LOL

I do agree that most steroids won't work. Some steroids that could work are potentially anavar, turinabol or superdrol, but the safe more balanced route is zinc finger or ARL/TEI that does it slower...hoping to fine tune the electrolyte (zinc finger) protocol soon when @Helen finalizes it in a new thread/google doc to avoid confusion.

I had the upregulated hyperandrogenic state for two weeks two weeks post ru58841 sides. I also had this to a lesser extent with kratom that always lowered my libido. it would rebound double two days after. the snap back is definitely a true thing. I aways had good erections before but they were like IRON and my strength went up by a LOT. confidence etc. would be fantastic to feel like that everyday.

 

[jacknap]

No it is sign of the LH shut down))

Since when you quit fin your NADPH levels go up and this produces a lot of test , but since the AR is crazy upregulated, then the body just shuts you down

yup this was my initial theory. the testosterone/dht rebound was just too much for my body and it just kept fludding in. felt AMAZING 2 weeks post ru58841 and then it way too much. I better those two weeks than most of my life lol but I was also manic

 

[jacknap]

You are wrong.
i HAVE pfs FROM 12/13 YEARS and after 6 years having it, I got tested and doctors cut me a piece of penis' skin to analise it and they saw that AR is way up up-regulated.
So what @Helen is saying is fucking right.
I do have study about this and about my singular case...they testes something like 18 guys, all had the same issue with upregulated AR.

something like kratom which guys like @Walker used intermittenty during recovery might work... I think it might act like a mild anti-androgen. before I got pfs I used kratom sometimes and it would nuke my libido if I used to much and would rebound higher. just a thought dunno the mechanism of action

 

[Aleksandr]

ARL and I think TEI as well barely include amino’s, though the glandulars might possess some.

Yeah but they say to eat 33% or 40% of your diet as protein (this is a shit tone compared to most diets)

 

[JDD]

Protandim I used before fin and it stopped my hairloss!! Eventually it got too aggressive for protandim so I got finasteride, but be careful man it has milk thistle which is usually not good for us PFS guys

Edit: nvm you said you don't have PFS haha then yes it will work! It will work extremely well actually... worked for me before this mess and it would sprout like dark ass hairs fast around my hairline seemingly overnight. It's just hard to build muscle on it since that milk thistle is ass

Damn you got me scared of the milk thistle in it now. Cool maybe I buy the individual ingredients but leave out the milk thistle?

 

[IHateFin]

Damn you got me scared of the milk thistle in it now. Cool maybe I buy the individual ingredients but leave out the milk thistle?

Yeah that's what I would do. Probs would be. Cheaper that way

 

[IHateFin]

something like kratom which guys like @Walker used intermittenty during recovery might work... I think it might act like a mild anti-androgen. before I got pfs I used kratom sometimes and it would nuke my libido if I used to much and would rebound higher. just a thought dunno the mechanism of action

Keaton is an opioid so it only lowers libido cuz it's triggering a feedback loop from over stimulation of opioid receptors... there might be more too it but that key part plays a role

 

[Troy]

LMAO. I took about 8 pills today , bud . I doubled my balls on potassium within 2-3 days. So far dont feel anything on oils. Stop playing with your balls , they do get bigger when you play with them you know )) LOL


Do you have capric also?

When we add the b vitamins to the potassium, should we focus mainly on b1? Or do we need all of them to get the hormones going.

I think I got my body started via the aminos plus potassium but didnt have b vitamins to make nadph. I'm wondering whether I add in just b1 or if i do them all.

 

[TubZy]

Keaton is an opioid so it only lowers libido cuz it's triggering a feedback loop from over stimulation of opioid receptors... there might be more too it but that key part plays a role

yeah i.e. naltrexone increases libido greatly and it blocks opioid receptor (the opposite of kratom)