New log, experimenting - Nina

[Raincoast]

I came down with mono in early May, from too much lysine perhaps, or chronic sleep deprivation.
It's almost three months and the virus is still active.
I'm feeling a major improvement, but am still experiencing fatigue, can't imagine having the energy to exercise now that I'm back to work. This is over 3 months now.
I'm following the electrolyte protocol closely now for a couple months, took a break from everything while sick. Added calcium chloride a month back, not more than 1000mg/day. I get my protein via raw egg whites, or food, not much whey. My digestion is 100% and sleep has improved. I take I capsule daily of Broccmax 30mg.

Is this enough to eradicate the EBV over time?

 

[Nina]

She will probably be ready for some K2 summit no problem with that much hemoglobin if now is doing all this extra work with just 5.
Im not sure if was ever mentioned any monthly irregularities or absence, but im wondering why the body would still keep that function with that levels of iron in the body !? Ive seen way higher Hgb but with absence of period for months/years, it might be some else related.






What units would be that range: g/dl ? In the states the units are g/dl and with range 11-12 to some 14-15-16, other ranges are a bit higher than that and in Europe in general units are g/L so 120 - 160 and some ranges goes up to 17-18 (170-180).
What kind of range is 7.5 - 10 ?
So your nails look more like description from picture #15 - anemia. The Q was does your thumb nails have spoon shape (iron deficiency pic # 6)
Maybe would be good to check Hemoglobin Electrophoresis test for the diff types of Hgb just to make sure. Why dont you post your full CBC here.

Mine are actually in mmol/l, thats why its different from yours. Normal range for female is 7,5-10 mmol/l and for men its 8,5-11 mmol/l

 

[supernature]

I think dog person was correct that it is mostly about FAD. which then creates D deficiencies, K deficiences, zinc finger deficiencies and potassium deficiencies, and all PLP enzymes deficiencies.

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[Helen]

I came down with mono in early May, from too much lysine perhaps, or chronic sleep deprivation.
It's almost three months and the virus is still active.
I'm feeling a major improvement, but am still experiencing fatigue, can't imagine having the energy to exercise now that I'm back to work. This is over 3 months now.
I'm following the electrolyte protocol closely now for a couple months, took a break from everything while sick. Added calcium chloride a month back, not more than 1000mg/day. I get my protein via raw egg whites, or food, not much whey. My digestion is 100% and sleep has improved. I take I capsule daily of Broccmax 30mg.

Is this enough to eradicate the EBV over time?

that is what I am saying, nitric oxide goes down, boom, you get herpes. Funny that people take lysine for herpes. They mix the outbreak with the virus replication.

You can always do liver flushes and also add ozone. that should help

 

[Helen]

@mattyb @Nina




Matty IMHO virus does not deplete vitamin D. Virus can deplete b2. Which will turn off D. It is b2 which activates vitamin D into its active form.

It is well known that virus is gettin detoxed thru glutathione system. SO viral load, basically uses up all glutathione. This is why if you turn off glut with stuff like fin, for a long period of time. glutathione basically goes to zero, then you get off, and boom FAD is totally zero. and now you have no nadph oxidase and no INOS . Since body is low on potassiumand there is no FAD to produce nitric oxide anymore. And boom crash with all kinds of infections. and the virus. and the virus load is huge. And people get MONO since there is no immune systems at all present.



And since the viral load is huge after you were missing glutathione for a while, I guess this huge load does not let FAD to rise. You eat it with food trying to retain some FAD , but virus just takes all of it . And thus the met rate never rises. And the virus stay active.

This is why PFS people and POIS people never get sick. Since they simply have none of the immune systems.

If you look at propecia help , people tested the glutathione and in all 100% of tests they had the same picture. High oxidized glutathione and low reduced. This says about low glutathione reductase or fad system.




Bottom line IMO. I think certain drugs (fin , contraceptives , drugs, crazy stress steroids) can turn off the immune system for long enough, that the viral or infection load can become too much, and then it is hard for the body to snap back up to normal

There is a weak spot in the Snps, and I think it is related to FAD.

To get people out of this. we can use ozone together with electrolytes protocol. This will kill the viral load and at the same time, increase potassium and metabolism in the cell, so nitric oxide runs hard. and as nitric oxide runs open ozone will be killing the virus, and nitric oxide will be opening all places where the virus can hide

This way in a short while you will have metabolism up and running without huge viral load again. And yes if you have FAD mutation , then you will need to support it , but at least you will snap out PFS kind of state and get back to normal state which you were born with. If you support that state ( I think FAD mutation is alluminum related)) and run electrolytes protocol for a year or so, I think you might get rid of FAD mutation. since I see aluminum toxicity in about 95% of herpes cases. ( some of course have mercury or arsenic or lead) But these folks are born with already extra pressure on redox glutathione system, this is why they crash on some drugs when others dont.

 

[supernature]

Mine are actually in mmol/l, thats why its different from yours. Normal range for female is 7,5-10 mmol/l and for men its 8,5-11 mmol/l

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[Nina]

(7.5 to 10) mmol/l that would be (12+ to 16+) g/dl and the 5 mmol/l is around 8 g/dl.

Does it say what Hct % is, MCV, MCH, MCHC ?

No just the hb

 

[noprop]

Ok

@Helen @Nina

Everyone has EBV at all times. 95% of healthy people are positive for at least one type of EBV viral loads. You can't get rid of EBV, you can only control it through the immune system. All people harbor latent infections as long as they have been exposed to some time or another. The latent infection hides in B-cells. When you fast, you reduce the B-cell population. This is why they can use things like rituximab to treat EBV related lymphomas - in addition to EBV associated disorders like MS and Rheumatoid Arthritis - because they reduce B-cell population. Without B-cells, the virus has nowhere to live. The problem is that you really only need a single cell to survive this process, so re-infection and re-population of viral load is constant - not to mention that everyone is exposed to it at all times because 95% of the general population carries it, so re-infection is almost 100% certain.

Ozone therapy could work because EBV has a narrow redox window for what it can tolerate - needs a base level of ROS that's higher than normal for replication, but excessive ROS will kill the virus. Problem is, the body can't produce that much ROS without t-cells targeting the b-cells for apoptosis. However, the problem with ozone therapy in someone like Nina's case who has a chronic EBV infection and chronically too high viral loads is that she would need ozone therapy consistently. For something's like Burkitt's lymphoma where the EBV infection is isolated and the infection is acute and due to environmental factors (e.g. malaria, toxin exposure, etc.) ozone therapy is very appropriate - just need some high doses of ozone to kill off the EBV in the throat until the body controls the lymphoma. EBV-related lymphomas are sharp and acute and ultimately initiated by other factors. What Nina has is not - and chronic ozone therapy can cause problems in other areas if used chronically (lots of ROS). If the problem is that antigen presentation on the b-cell is insufficient (which is a more common genetic mutation in europeans), then that's the issue and you need to support the body in this.

EBV replication is achieved through chronic Protein Kinase C activation. Vitamin D sensitizes PKC to calcium, by increasing calcium influx and proper intergration into the cell, decreasing the time PKC is active. Vitamin D also has anti-EBV activity on it's own by upregulating the innate immune system, EBV actually produces a protein that blocks vitamin D from binding to it's nuclear receptor, inhibiting it's action. The low dose Vitamin K2 is just there to balance out the excessive amounts of Vitamin D, to prevent calcification, and because it directly inhibits PKC activity.

I agree that B2 could be beneficial as well. You do need to, over time, increase oxidation rate to support the immune system. The t-cells need to be super efficient and well fed to hold the infection at bay in people with inefficient antigen presentation. This is why the high carb diet works, but it only works in the context of higher B2 and B1 intakes.

I also don't think Nina is a true slow oxidizer. I think the virus is killing her metabolism and the body is releasing calcium to try and stimulate metabolism. So I don't think we should interpret her tests this way. I also think the virus depletes Vit D, and when vitamin d goes low mineral retention in bones is very poor.

Dude, brilliant post. Well written and structured. So, indeed, fasting would help killing EBV. Am I right? When we are sick by viruses, best is not to eat or eat less.

 

[noprop]

BEfore the crash from fin last week, I had very low viral load in my body, since my reduced glutathione was good and oxidized good also. (normal)

when people get glutathione IVs, they measure viral load and it goes way down, in a week/ Virus is just a state, it is not an infection IMO

That viral state goes away just as you adjust body chemistry which is not appropriate for it. If not the viral load would not go away on glut IV< but it just disapppears very fast.


Matty there is no true slow oxidizers or fast oxidizers, I see tests with 100s of people with shingles, and herpes and etc. the met rate is different in all of them

I see people with shingles with fast met rate also. Virus is just a state and glutathione depletion can be in slow or fast oxidation.

If you are aslow oxidizer , you are slow. you cant not be not true. Hairtest shows exactly what oxidation rate is now. Everyone in slo

If she delivers zero oxygen to the cell, I dont quite get how she can oxidize anything.

Lymphoma is a much much higher viral load. It is not localized . I had mono in my brain because of that, that stuff is everywhere I had 30-40 tumors. and brain tumors , kidney tumors, lower body tumors , it was everywhere.

What test have you done to show tumors? PCT? Blood tumormarkers. Very interested. Thx

 

[Helen]

@noprop fasting will not kill the virus. My lymphoma load grew from 20 to around 40 tumors after fasting. fasting depletes already low glutathione system.

fasting is for mutations. and bacterial infections. And after fasting you will need to refeed and kills viruses, since those will be all over your body.

I had cancers which means that you have viral and bacterial load at the same time, and the body cant go into an extreme PH to kill the infection. or the virus.

Since if it goes into acid, virus grows and if it goes into alkaline bacteria grows. This is what cancer is. It is a fork between bacterial infection and viral, so the body cant go to the extreme PH . one side or another.

This is why they say in cancer you need to swing. between PHs , acid alkaline, acid alkaline. Many times extreme swings for short periods of time.

Or use antivirals and antibiotics at the same time. HUGE load of antiviral and antibiotics will beat cancer.

IMO cancer is always the fork between bacterial infection and viral. Since if the body had only one infection it would just go into the extreme PH and kill it on one side.

 

[mattyb]

Yeah thats pretty accurate.

Wait you had a surgery before everything got bad?? That's news to me.

Honestly, people here should just have a detailed medical history in their signatures. Would save so much confusion

 

[Helen]

Wait you had a surgery before everything got bad?? That's news to me.

Honestly, people here should just have a detailed medical history in their signatures. Would save so much confusion

Matty, may be I confused her with someone else. but I do remember someone had a surgery and after that all this stuff started. I think it was Nina, but I might be not correct also.


By the way , check out the signature of @MNK99

 

[mattyb]

Ok
Dude, brilliant post. Well written and structured. So, indeed, fasting would help killing EBV. Am I right? When we are sick by viruses, best is not to eat or eat less.

Just EBV. EBV hides out in b-cells. As we fast for prolonged periods of time, our b-cell counts drop dramatically. Without their "house" (b-cell), EBV has nowhere to hide and is easily killed.

So the fasting only works for EBV, not other viral infections. That is why when people fast for long periods of time, they treat their MS or rheumatoid arthritis (EBV-driven diseases). Once they begin to refeed though, the disease slowly comes back over time. They are literally using anti-EBV autologous t-cell therapy right now in Australia to treat MS, they are in Phase 1 trials for progressive MS, and they are having amazing success. Once you kill the infected b-cells, these people are fine and can recover. Ritixumab and Ocrevus, two therapies that deplete b-cells treat these conditions amazingly well too.

 

[mattyb]

By the way , check out the signature of @MNK99

LOL that is crazy

 

[mattyb]

@Helen

So what are we saying would be an ideal anti-EBV treatment for someone like Nina?

Supps
B2
D
K2
Selenium
NAC

Treatments
Ozone
Fasting (temporary) - we know that worked for her, but only temporarily.

 

[Nina]

Matty, may be I confused her with someone else. but I do remember someone had a surgery and after that all this stuff started. I think it was Nina, but I might be not correct also.


By the way , check out the signature of @MNK99

I had surgery yes, i tore my acl while playing soccer

 

[Helen]

@Helen

So what are we saying would be an ideal anti-EBV treatment for someone like Nina?

Supps
B2
D
K2
Selenium
NAC

Treatments
Ozone
Fasting (temporary) - we know that worked for her, but only temporarily.

Matty, we know she has zero folic acid in blood. Without folic acid , body will piss out histidine, and this will kill hemoglobin .The Role of Histidine in the Anemia of Folate Deficiency So she wont carry oxygen into the cell.

Without restoring this, I think we cant restore oxygen supply into the cell.

Dont forget that without histidine there will be no B2 or active b6. Since the body will turn it off, this is why histidine retains calcium in the body, since histidine allows b6 to be converted to its active form and increase histamines. since HDC is run on active B6. this is done with zinc and b2. these 2 activate b6. And this B2 activates vitamin D at the time and this retains calcium. SO you see how it is all connected. Metabolism goes higher, boom everything converts D, K, calcium absorption rises.

I think we need to see if feeding histidine with folic acid restores everything in her.

Since usually this is a very usual imbalance especially in post operative cases. IF hemoglobin goes up to norm , on histidine and folic acid.

then we can test it again in a month. If it falls again. then we will know that she does have glutathione problem and there is constant hemolysis going on.

And then we will have to support B1 or b2. along with electrolytes so she does not get hemolysis. Also phosphorus will need to be supplied, since once we feed her b1 and b2 she can crash hard, since the body will take the phorpshorus like crazy into the cell ( like a refeed syndrome) to make NADP and NADPH.

And of course since metabolism will rise , we need to give calcium and vitamin D and boron, and magnesium .so the body can retain them / Since now it is just losing them.

I would assume NAC , vitamin D, vitamin K will be restored as soon as FAD system is back on. Since these all slow the oxidation rate. We can of course help to feed them also. but it can be just fed from amino acids and butter lets say, which is in electrolytes protocol

If you noticed her magnesium is low on the hairtest, without magnesium she cant make active b6 or b2, or b1. Since magnesium activates all these.

and thus activates vitamin D. You see her sodium is higher than magnesium. this means either crazy magnesium deficiency or this means that her MAOs are not working at all and thus she does not break down noradrenaline. Which may explain low folic acid and histidine. IN this case FAD would be a primary problem. or b1.


In reality she should go on electrolytes protocol . that what I would do, I would go on electrolytes. plus b vitamins take aminos , plus ozone , plus eat butter for fat solubles. and be restored


If histidine and folic acid restores her hemoglobin, then I think it will increase her metabolism and she will need all the slowing down things, fat solubles, calcium magnesiums etc.


It is so interconnected that to raise metabolism you need to support everything in my opinion.

 

[Helen]

I had surgery yes, i tore my acl while playing soccer

Nina , do you remember what kind of drugs they gave you during the surgery?

 

[mattyb]

She has already been on a very high protein diet and folic acid though, so clearly the histidine + folic acid route hasn't worked.

I think we need to focus on lowering viral load first. Or do both at the same time.

I think if she keeps up high carb/high protein diet (high phosphorous intake), plus B2/D/K2/NAC/Se we'd hit the problem from both angles. Then add in some calcium rich foods a bit later on into it. Can't let extracellular calcium get too high at first.

 

[Helen]

She has already been on a very high protein diet and folic acid though, so clearly the histidine + folic acid route hasn't worked.

I think we need to focus on lowering viral load first. Or do both at the same time.

I think if she keeps up high carb/high protein diet (high phosphorous intake), plus B2/D/K2/NAC/Se we'd hit the problem from both angles. Then add in some calcium rich foods a bit later on into it. Can't let extracellular calcium get too high at first.

She just started folic acid and histidine. It wont work with methionine rich foods. Methionine kills folic acid and histidine, this is why high protein diet is not good.

this is why some feel better on vegan diet, since it has higher histidine to methionine ratio.

I would wait for 3-4 days on histidine and folic and see if it sticks


If it does not. we can try this route. but I think we need to make sure that oxygen gets into the cell, since all these things, NAC< K2 D all kill oxygen

I mean B2 makes cysteine. b2 makes vitamin D, b2 makes vitamin K. B2 makes NAD. NAD makes progesterone - progesterone retains potassium. Potassium asks for all these things, vitamin D, K2 , cysteine. you see how it is connected.

IF we can raise metabolism then the body will ask for all these things. and make cysteine out of methionine, which is probably high now. since there is no folate. and magnesium.

I am not even sure what her homocysteine levels are now?

Do you have that information? @Nina


Matty, may be she has high methionine levels and this is what uses up magnesium. since if folic acid is non existant, she does not use much of methyl groups.

I am not sure what kind of folic acid she tested in blood, was it just folic acid or was it methylfolate, since methylfolate is the kinds which is in blood really.