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@bruschi11 Dude, this can be helped hormonally , trust me. But we do have more than one case and most of the time not the things that people feel better on cure them.
TRT and testosterone treatments and stories are all over propeciaforum It does help some guys while on it. All of those guys do normal TRT dosages like 100 and some do below those dosages. this is nothing new
yes, IMHO you will feel better on DHT plus progesterone or testosterone plus progesterone. On propeciahelp there are at least 20-30 guys who are on trt or tried Trt. All of them did low dose testosterone like Joe. Since TRT is low test doses. we are not talking test cycles , we are talking TRT. In bodybuilders world 100mg a week is called low dose, in TRT world it is called normal dose. I will post those stories tomorrow or today. Also all of those guys have bloods and tests, before test and after
@joekool . I will also post it
None of them could go on on test solo alone. they had to use AI. or it simply backfired like in Joe's case.. and increased prolactin even more. Since even on 100 or 80 mg a week ( some did 80) their prolactin was going higher and estrogen. All their symptoms improved while on cycle obviously. Since they simply got more test and DHT available.
In their blood work. at 100mg a week. Test levels were higher than norm.@ JoeKool Over the range. So not low test state blood was checked end of week.
IN any case, high DHt high test high prolactin high estradiol cases are insensitivity of AR. These people feel good , on test with progesterone( progesterone controls estrogen and prolactin)
they feel good on test with AI. they feel good on DHT.
weather those are stilts or cures I dont know.
The possible cure for these people are progesterone cycling, which causes the shut down of test production. you cycle progesterone for 7-12 days until full test suppression, this suppresses all of your test, dht and estrogen. You feel bad. but then when test comes back, you will feel better. since you are more sensitive to test and dht now and levels of DHT and prolactin will fall. I think this is what worked for people like Light on propecia forum who cycled progesterone. and got cured. There are no cured cases from going on TRT . Dr.Chrilser and some other doctors who deal with PFS I dont remember his name put all people on TRT. and TRT was 100mg a week , tons of people from propeciahelp went to these doctor and none got cured. I assume since they could not handle the test alone. and it is very hard to control AI with supplements. And may be they just quit because of that.
@joekool
To achieve test suppression from low dose testosterone, you dont go on long esters. injecting them once a week. These are done specifically for TRT , not to cause the suppression, long esters like test cyp or Test E are used specifically for that and the normal usuall TRT is 70-150 per week of those. End of week people run at way above their baseline usually. like start with 190, peak at 1100 finish 550
At 150 mg test E weekly most will need AI. Test E has half life of 5-10 days, depending on potassium levels. Peaking test levels are after 48 hours, then goes down.
I have 2 of my friends right now on 100 mg test e weekly , the original levels of test were 150 and 190 in them. very low. Now they run at 590 and 670 end of week before the injection . So above the middle of the test range, and that is END Of the week. for the first 48 hours they peak close to a grand.
If someone wanted to suppress the test levels, go high dose short ester like test prop. for 3 days . This will suppress you and you will sit with low test level for 2 weeks
But to expect low test levels from 100mg test E weekly which is designed specifically to keep you at as much steady levels of test within a week is not the way it works. and it is proven by tests and labs that you dont get to be in low test state, how. how can you be below range test levels taking long ester weekly you simply cant.
The reason 100mg of test E is used in normal test cases, is that test E does not aromatize as fast as your own test. this is why you get less estrogen with the same or even higher testosterone levels. less estrogen = less prolactin. this increases DHT to estrogen/prolactin ratio in these people.
