PFS almost cured

[PFStinks]

So let me preface this by saying, I prayed to God a lot for this.
I tried everything, and nothing stuck, no protocol, no piece of advice, nothing.
So what I'm about to tell you is not guaranteed to work for you, because at the end of the day the cure is in Gods hands.
Anyway, here we go.

I personally think after I quit finasteride, my DHT went through the roof and stayed there.
Some people may have another type of PFS where there DHT is bottom of the barrel level. So this is for those who feel they have sky high DHT, and are impaired because of it.
I retook finasteride, little bits at a time, and my DHT would swing up and down, and there'd be times a I felt a little cured, and times where I would feel horrible. It was doing something but
it just wasn't sticking. After praying constantly, and abandoning as many sins as I could, it finally started to stick last week.

But heres the thing, my digestion has been a problem all throughout my PFS, even now as Im near the end of my illness.
The one thing that I can digest properly is peanut butter, so if you have diarrhea and loose stools at least try eating PEANUT BUTTER and see how it goes.

 

[TubZy]

So are you saying that you quit fin and your DHT went high again and feel good? That happened to most of us then we crashed. Like we stopped fin and felt great for a few weeks and boom crashed hard and felt even worse than on fin.

Unless I'm reading it wrong you went back on fin then you quit and now you feel almost cured, but how long have you been off fin now?

 

[PFStinks]

Yes, it went through the roof, I was feeling super good then crashed and felt worse than before. I hadnt touched finasteride for several months. Then I started to experiment taking small doses to bring the DHT that had remained sky high back down.

 

[TubZy]

Yes, it went through the roof, I was feeling super good then crashed and felt worse than before. I hadnt touched finasteride for several months. Then I started to experiment taking small doses to bring the DHT that had remained sky high back down.

Ah I see, so are still on low dose fin now or did you get off that as well? If so, how long have you been off low dose fin for?

 

[PFStinks]

I'd take a small dose, not take anything for 2 weeks waiting for it to swing back up, and then repeat. Kept doing that for months, and it wasn't working till very recently.

 

[bruschi11]

Awesome stuff man good for you. And what your doing is cool piece of info for a lot of people. Ballsy move and I hope it continues to pay off.

What were your symptoms? How long have you had pfs?

 

[TubZy]

I'd take a small dose, not take anything for 2 weeks waiting for it to swing back up, and then repeat. Kept doing that for months, and it wasn't working till very recently.

yeah the one post I posted here , I linked to the reddit thread where the guy did what you did as well (kept taking it and stopping) and got cured from it (he says). How is your hair though, is it shedding again like prefin?

 

[MNK99]

-WOAH man. Ballsy. Sick effort. Good job! @PFStinks
-Defs Nots Fors Everyones.

 

[Jack17]

I'd take a small dose, not take anything for 2 weeks waiting for it to swing back up, and then repeat. Kept doing that for months, and it wasn't working till very recently.

Can you explain that again? How much did you take?. How did you feel? How long have you been doing this?
I’m very interested because I just started something similar. Last week, Monday I took one drop of avodart ( 12 drops in one cap) so extremely low dose. I felt a little boost, sweating , slight increase in libido the day after. Wednesday did the same but Friday felt possibly more genital numbness ( not usually a prob for me) so I’ve been holding off restarting. But I was also taking 2 Vit B2 tabs a day and I think too much of that can make u feel worse. I’m going to restart. Plan is 1 drop every other day but it seems like playing w fire. No Vit b2.

 

[hairsuit]

This.......... I have been most curious about. But no one has had the balls to do it. (Looking at me). Well done. I don’t know if it’s replicatable in everyone, but something about it has always seemed right to me. The whole like cures like thing.

 

[MNK99]

I think pre doing nothing 5 or so months, this could have helped me... BUT when I snapped out of it a tiny amount... and fasted and all that stuff, then it was too late. BUT maybe shortly after crashing, to ensure "crash" is not prolonged, it can be done.... for some. Seems scary. BUT definitely better than suicidal ideation 5-20months straight.
Probably...usually.

 

[JasonSky]

Good stuff man, I was considering doing the same a while ago.
What have your improvements been like? You say you're almost cured, but anything in particular?

 

[RebelWithACause]

Nice man. How long have you been off finasteride now? What side effects got fixed for you?

 

[tanedout]

So this basically mirrors the Accutane recoveries from cycling fin.

I think to be honest this could also be why CD’s method works as it’s essentially cycling herbs of which a number as DHT inhibitors - E.G. Fo-ti, Tribulus, tongkat

Interestingly B2 is also a DHT inhibitor in higher dose, and some people have done well on that

20 Natural DHT Blockers to Prevent Hair Loss + Side Effects - Selfhacked

 

[Chapman]

@PFStinks Can you elaborate on how much of a pill you were taking? Were you on any special diets that week/healthy eating? exercising regularly?

Hope it sticks for you mate!

 

[wuf]

By the way we already know (at least I saw it in my personal case) that if we push on the AR, (too much masturbation, using androgen hormones) we feel strong libido/feel nothing for few days and then after this strong libido we crash; it seems to me like if stimulating the AR because of too much stimulation it becomes less sensitive.

To the opposite side, we saw different cases of people feeling better by lowering DHT, like if the AR starts to become more sensitive.

But what does exactly happens to the AR since we start to lower DHT? We already have an upregulated AR, wich is the issue in us, why lowering DHT should help to restore the AR? I don't get the mechanism behind this.

Is the AR the same for DHT and Testosterone or there are 2 different AR for the 2 hormones?

We should use testosterone with Anti-DHT, so AR get more sensitive to testosterone and less to DHT since at the moment it is overexpressed in favour of DHT.
Am I wrong?

 

[tanedout]

But what does exactly happens to the AR since we start to lower DHT? We already have an upregulated AR, wich is the issue in us, why lowering DHT should help to restore the AR? I don't get the mechanism behind this.

I think the theory goes that some are left with upregulated AR receptors, and some are left with down-regulated. Those left with high DHT have down-regulated receptors, so if you lower DHT a lot by taking low dose of fin again, then the receptors have to up-regulate to take into account of less DHT, then you hope that when you stop the fin, the receptors remain more up-regulated.

Makes me wonder whether if tapering off these drugs slowly would have prevented, or at least much reduced the chances, or getting sides.

 

[Helen]

I think the theory goes that some are left with upregulated AR receptors, and some are left with down-regulated. Those left with high DHT have down-regulated receptors, so if you lower DHT a lot by taking low dose of fin again, then the receptors have to up-regulate to take into account of less DHT, then you hope that when you stop the fin, the receptors remain more up-regulated.

Makes me wonder whether if tapering off these drugs slowly would have prevented, or at least much reduced the chances, or getting sides.

they guy is still taking finasteride


I think people have upregulated g6pd , which makes NADPH. that is why DHT is high in some cases.


And when someone takes fin. and then quits, if you take small enough dosages, you stay in that hypersexual state when you quit finasteride.

meaning that when you take finasteride your AR gets super senstive for DHT.

and then when DHT goes back up. Body shuts down ARs by methylation, since DHT receptors are overexpressed

then you take Fin, lower DHT, body releases methylation. and in a week, you feel sexual again.


So if you keep taking fin within 2 weeks, you basically are keeping yourself in that supersexual state , right before the crash.

 

[tanedout]

@Helen what are your thoughts on potentially cycling a very low dose of fin?

 

[Helen]

@Helen what are your thoughts on potentially cycling a very low dose of fin?

I already wrote about it. to Jack17


low dose fin, should lower DHT very little, and takes down NADPH with it. if someone with high DHT, finds a dosage of fin or avodart which is very little.

then DHT will be lowered just a little bit, and that person would feel better on this fin or avodart.


This is why Dasjei guy is still on duta and this person is still on fin.


Duta even a little dosage will last FORever. fin is also long lasting.