PFS almost cured

[Helen]

Basically , if you take fin. every 2 weeks, you mimic the supersexual state you are in when you quit finasteride for 2 weeks.

If you would have taken fin by the end of those 2 weeks of supersexuality , you would not crash, but bring DHT back down again. and then repeat 2 weeks again.


this is what this guy is doing.

he takes fin, lowers DHT . Body opens up all other ARs where testoterone is. And he feels sexual, then DHT creeps back up, this closes all ARs, and he takes fin again right before the crash. Rinse and repeat


Does this do anything? dont know


This stuff working like this, means that there is nothing permanently damaged in the system, and also it proves that methyation and demethylation is ongoing and easily changed process.


means you lower DHT, boom body lowers methylation of the ARs. and you feel testosterone.

 

[Helen]

@tanedout Also if ARs were downregulated as you said in the 2 posts above, he would not feel like total crap everysingle time his DHT goes up

but he feels better when he lowers DHT. and bad when it goes back up.

So he failed to find small enough dosage of fin to keep DHT a little down all the time.

instead he takes fin every 2 weeks, when DHT creeps up

 

[wuf]

I think the theory goes that some are left with upregulated AR receptors, and some are left with down-regulated. Those left with high DHT have down-regulated receptors, so if you lower DHT a lot by taking low dose of fin again, then the receptors have to up-regulate to take into account of less DHT, then you hope that when you stop the fin, the receptors remain more up-regulated.

Makes me wonder whether if tapering off these drugs slowly would have prevented, or at least much reduced the chances, or getting sides.

By Melcang's study it came out that our AR is overexpressed, means upregulated if I am not wrong and not dowregulated as you said.

 

[Helen]

Also guys, this guys is taking peanut butter. Peanut butter is very high in tyramine and histamine.

Histamine will give you sex drive same as tyramine


this might be why he took fin and it did nothing for months. and all over sudden he feels something

 

[wuf]

to

I already wrote about it. to Jack17


low dose fin, should lower DHT very little, and takes down NADPH with it. if someone with high DHT, finds a dosage of fin or avodart which is very little.

then DHT will be lowered just a little bit, and that person would feel better on this fin or avodart.


This is why Dasjei guy is still on duta and this person is still on fin.


Duta even a little dosage will last FORever. fin is also long lasting.

You say that by using low fin dose you keep the situation of AR under control letting it working, but the point is how to make the AR not being overexpressed and let it return to a "normal" situation as it was pre-fin.
So how is that possible that someone got cured by using fina again as this guy is trying to do, why should little dose of fina let the AR turns into "mormal" expression?

 

[Helen]

You say that by using low fin dose you keep the situation of AR under control letting it working, but the point is how to make the AR not being overexpressed and let it return to a "normal" situation as it was pre-fin.
So how is that possible that someone got cured by returning of fin as this guy is trying to do, why should little dose of fina let the AR turns in "mormal" expression?

it is not returning its to normal expression IMO, you just block DHT with it. So brain and prostate gets less DHT, and body stops AR methylation.


ARs are all over your body. some ARs are in DHT sensitive tissue, and some are in Testosterone sensitive tissue.

It could be that ARs where DHT is got overexpressed, and then DHT goes back up, and body want to shut down ARs, and it shut down ARs all over the body

not only where DHT is. and this turns off your testosterone action. you basically become a girl.

that is why many PFS users report feeling gay in PFS

 

[wuf]

it is not returning its to normal expression IMO, you just block DHT with it. So brain and prostate gets less DHT, and body stops AR methylation.

Yes got it, but some guys who did the same protocol got stucked results. By what you are sayin, if I am not wrong, you are saying that you have to keep taking low dose of fina for ever.
But different guys recovered by using this protocol.. why? I guess cause they restored the AR, I guess.

 

[Helen]

Yes got it, but some guys who did the same protocol got stucked results. By what you are sayin, if I am not wrong, you are saying that you have to keep taking low dose of fina for ever.
But different guys recovered by using this protocol.. why? I guess cause they restored the AR, I guess.

Could anyone post stories of guys recovered by taking fin? please

I want to look into this/

@tanedout

 

[Helen]

Yes got it, but some guys who did the same protocol got stucked results. By what you are sayin, if I am not wrong, you are saying that you have to keep taking low dose of fina for ever.
But different guys recovered by using this protocol.. why? I guess cause they restored the AR, I guess.

could you please post me some stories with the link where someone recovered by taking fin.

 

[wuf]

could you please post me some stories with the link where someone recovered by taking fin.

Wow, I remember I have read some but hard to remember where.
I try to search, if anyone can find please post.

 

[Helen]

Yes, can you please post @tanedout the links to the stories where people have recovered. I'd like to read those. may be it would give more clueless.

 

[Helen]

just found this


In my case I only had slight side effects while taking finasteride, and they seemed to subside after a few months of use. After a few years of dosing, I even began taking dutasteride and had no sides on the drug. Kind of the opposite really - my sex drive was insane despite my balls shrinking down and aching.
I only decided to quit finasteride/dutasteride after 5 years or so because I decided I didn’t want to be dependent on the drug for the remainder of my life. I quit cold turkey in 2010 and after a few weeks, I crashed hard. Severe anxiety, disorientation, lethargy, bouts of depression, and severe erectile dysfunction. Oddly enough, the one time I felt real relief from all of these symptoms was when I randomly decided to take finasteride for two weeks straight approximately a year after my crash. My upbeat personality returned and I was able to have sex several times in a row.
Nonetheless, I don’t think it’s an appropriate band-aid and I’m hopeful that science can fix whatever finasteride broke.



this guys is like me. when i took fin my sex drive went crazy. it was super high.

you see when he takes fin again sex drive returns in him.

 

[Helen]

If testosterone does not work why do people build muscle easy in PFS? At least I do. I built more muscle after crash, not just on testosterone (anabolics) but also natural. In beginning not I lost a lot of weight and muscle. But now I do.

I also know low estrogen can cause "gay feelings". Or is this because estrogen makes DHT/T sensitive

you are a fast oxidizer also. and have low DHT not high

 

[Helen]

@RebelWithACause this thread is about this topic

Do you experience muscle loss (also muscle atrophy) and balance problems due to PFS?

 

[RebelWithACause]

@RebelWithACause this thread is about this topic

Do you experience muscle loss (also muscle atrophy) and balance problems due to PFS?

Hmm this is one PFS case then yes. Maybe fast oxidizers/low dht do not get this side effect. Although like I said I lost a lot of muscle and Weight in the beginning. Now not the case

 

[wuf]

By Melcang's study it came out that our AR is overexpressed, means upregulated if I am not wrong and not dowregulated as you said.

@tanedout
By the way I think you are right, there is an over expression of AR (meaining we have more AR then normal people) but they are singularly downregulated, it means that they are not working as they should.
@Helen correct me if I am wrong.

 

[tanedout]

Yes, can you please post @tanedout the links to the stories where people have recovered. I'd like to read those. may be it would give more clueless.

Some of the testimonials from people who recovered are in this thread at the start. They all recovered after they stopped taking fin. After they stop fin there was a period when they felt nothing, then a week or so later their libido and everything comes back and they are cured. They did not need to continue taking anything, they just live a normal life from there. It's known as the 'dr pezzi' on the accutane boards as he's a doctor who got accutane sides, and he cured them taking cycles of fin

https://www.hackstasis.com/threads/accutane-recoveries-using-finasteride.119/

 

[Helen]

Some of the testimonials from people who recovered are in this thread at the start. They all recovered after they stopped taking fin. There was a period when they felt nothing, then a week or so later their libido and everything comes back and they are cured. It's known as the 'dr pezzi' on the accutane boards as he's a doctor who got accutane sides, and he cured them taking cycles of fin

https://www.hackstasis.com/threads/accutane-recoveries-using-finasteride.119/

No man I need to read the actual links.

These can be posted in the hypersexual period or still with the drug being in the system.

 

[wuf]

No man I need to read the actual links.

These can be posted in the hypersexual period or still with the drug being in the system.

I don not want to bother, and just reply if you can and have time, but could you explaine the mechanism of how can RAndro restore the AR ?
Maybe you already explained somewhere.

 

[tanedout]

No man I need to read the actual links.

These can be posted in the hypersexual period or still with the drug being in the system.

Oh shit, maybe you are correct - I just searched for some posts on one of the guys who recovered to see if he followed up with anything a few months later and I found this;

Oct '17 = Says he is cured
Dec '17 = Still cured
Feb '18 = posts the following saying after taking coke his sex drive feels reduced;

Hey guys I want to give you an update on my situation. I got bad news..
My recovery was 100% real and I was feeling absolutely awesome for the last couple of months but I have to say the last weeks and espaciallly the last couple of days I feel that I am loosing my sexdrive slowly. Not that bad so far and I'm still 10 times better than before the use of fin but honestly at the moment I can't say that I am still fully recovered. One interesting fact is that my situation was getting worse again when I took cocaine about 1 month ago and I couldnt have sex because my dick wasn't working.
So I it scarred me a little bit and since that moment it goes down the road.

https://www.acne.org/forums/topic/2...cutane/?page=605&tab=comments#comment-3587929

I'm going to message him and get an update