please post your DHT , testosterone free testosterone and SHBG levels and PROGESTERONE

[Helen]

We have tons of people with very high SHBG

 

[RebelWithACause]

SHBG: 51.9 nmol/L (Range: 18.3 - 54.1)
Testosterone: 640 ng/dl
Free T: 9.5 ng/dl
DHT: 125 pg/ml (Healthy men range: 112 - 955 pg/ml)

I think I did have creatine in my system when I did this blood work. Or at least was flushing it out. Creatine is known to make SHBG higher.

Also Proviron worked for me but this was while taking TRT! So this may change it.

 

[Helen]

SHBG: 51.9 nmol/L (Range: 18.3 - 54.1)
Testosterone: 640 ng/dl
Free T: 9.5 ng/dl
DHT: 125 pg/ml (Healthy men range: 112 - 955 pg/ml)

I think I did have creatine in my system when I did this blood work. Or at least was flushing it out. Creatine is known to make SHBG higher.

i mean with this SBHG and total DHT level you know that your free DHT is like ZERO.

 

[Goose12]

Testosterone 522 ng/dl, free t 12.6 pg/ml, dht 67 ng/dl, and shbg 52.9 nmol/L

Post saw

 

[Helen]

Testosterone 522 ng/dl, free t 12.6 pg/ml, dht 67 ng/dl, and shbg 52.9 nmol/L

Post saw

Also with this SHBG you have zero free DHT.

 

[Goose12]

Also with this SHBG you have zero free DHT.

What do you think the fix for this would be?

Like @RebelWithACause I don't have POIS

 

[Goose12]

If my free dht is low why dI'd I have high dht symptoms. Burning scalp, hairloss, no labido, and dry joints

 

[Helen]

If my free dht is low why dI'd I have high dht symptoms. Burning scalp, hairloss, no labido, and dry joints

cause if you increase DHT, this is what you get.

If DHT receptors are overexpressed, then you get all these symptoms from raising your DHT higher.


but PFS symptoms are from high SHBG, since it binds your test and other hormones also. along with DHT.

so if DHT is too strong, other hormones can get bound too much I guess

 

[RebelWithACause]

I found Troy's results by looking for other stuff. Seems to also have higher SHBG although not as high. Did not test DHT it seems.

Progesterone 1.1 nmol/L (0.7 - 4.3)
Testo 20.5 nmol/L (12.0 - 31.9)
SHBG 47 nmol/L (17 - 56)
Free Testo 356 pmol/L (260 - 740)

 

[Helen]

@Goose12 have you even tried AI aromatase inhibitors? do you feel better or worse on those?

 

[Helen]

I found Troy's results by looking for other stuff. Seems to also have higher SHBG although not as high. Did not test DHT it seems.

Progesterone 1.1 nmol/L (0.7 - 4.3)
Testo 20.5 nmol/L (12.0 - 31.9)
SHBG 47 nmol/L (17 - 56)
Free Testo 356 pmol/L (260 - 740)

he did test DHT, it was low normal

 

[Goose12]

@Goose12 have you even tried AI aromatase inhibitors? do you feel better or worse on those?

No, unless you count randro. Anything that lowers estrogen kills me sexually. I feel better on things that increase E like beer, royal jelly, and he shou wu.

 

[Helen]

No, unless you count randro. Anything that lowers estrogen kills me sexually. I feel better on things that increase E like beer, royal jelly, and he shou wu.

right. So it is clear that overexpressed DHT is basically lowering estro action by inducing this SBHG thing

 

[TubZy]

No, unless you count randro. Anything that lowers estrogen kills me sexually. I feel better on things that increase E like beer, royal jelly, and he shou wu.

Yeah same

 

[Helen]

@Boris Guys, look if DHT is overexpressed, it keeps binding DHT , test and estro with SHBG

and since there is no estro, copper stays biounavailable. and this causes low noradrenaline which is the force of orgasm ejaculation of sperm which most people have low

bottom line the problem is SHBG in many cases

 

[freeflow]

@Goose12 have you even tried AI aromatase inhibitors? do you feel better or worse on those?

early into my crash, i tried sustain alpha aromataze inhibitor and gave me back my humour. Later i started to react badly to inhibiting estrogen.

 

[Goose12]

right. So it is clear that overexpressed DHT is basically lowering estro action by inducing this SBHG thing

After reading studs dht thead I realized dht was a huge part of it. My symptoms are/were exactly the same as his on titan dht
https://hackstasis.com/threads/studs-titan-dht-experience.1060/

 

[RebelWithACause]

I am on a boatload of zinc (+ manganese) and vitamin C. I got low estrogen symptoms too and my sex drive is gone (0%). Same for when I took arimidex.

While off the supps after first cycle I had some libido.

I also get chest tightness when I lower my estrogen (on this and on arimidex).

 

[Helen]

After reading studs dht thead I realized dht was a huge part of it. My symptoms are exactly the same as his on titan dht
https://hackstasis.com/threads/studs-titan-dht-experience.1060/

exactly. DHT is stress hormone and if taken in excess causes problems.

 

[barbaar]

DHT: 1.96 nmol/l (0.32- 1.64)
Test: 11.3 nmol/l (9 - 35)
SHBG: 17 nmol/l (10 - 70)
Free test index: 0.68

But PSSD of course. Never experienced noticable dht itch/hairloss.