Random recoveries....

[Admiral]

So I've been in a little funk lately, as some of you might've noticed. I'm always looking for a few little sparks of hope to get me focussed and going again. I've been surfing through propeciahelp.com (I know, I know), until something struck me as odd. I think recoveries are getting a big more common these days compared to a decade a go, but those who recover have little in common. I just read a dude's recovery protocol, one who has suffered for 15 years just like me. He pretty much did all kinds of random stuff without really knowing the reasoning behind it. He started to recover in his final year, in which he was taking:

• B complx
• Fishoil
• Magnesium
• Zinc
• Vit C
• Vit D
• L arginine

.. combined with a healthy lifestyle (nofap + diet + workout). His low T increased as well, confirming his recovery.

I've come across more like him. Just find it odd some recover taking random supplements without even knowing your body chemistry or body needs, whereas others are following TEI/ARL or the Electrolyte protocol and know exactly what your body needs for nearly a year and are barely improving.

/endrant.

 

[RebelWithACause]

So I've been in a little funk lately, as some of you might've noticed. I'm always looking for a few little sparks of hope to get me focussed and going again. I've been surfing through propeciahelp.com (I know, I know), until something struck me as odd. I think recoveries are getting a big more common these days compared to a decade a go, but those who recover have little in common. I just read a dude's recovery protocol, one who has suffered for 15 years just like me. He pretty much did all kinds of random stuff without really knowing the reasoning behind it. He started to recover in his final year, in which he was taking:

• B complx
• Fishoil
• Magnesium
• Zinc
• Vit C
• Vit D
• L arginine

.. combined with a healthy lifestyle (nofap + diet + workout). His low T increased as well, confirming his recovery.

I've come across more like him. Just find it odd some recover taking random supplements without even knowing your body chemistry or body needs, whereas others are following TEI/ARL or the Electrolyte protocol and know exactly what your body needs for nearly a year and are barely improving.

/endrant.

I am taking very similar to this guy in current TEI cycle.

Finish this cycle, take a break for a month, see where you are at (snapback or not) and get retested or try this out.

He pretty much gave his body a lot of nutrients (similar to electrolyte protocol) and recovered. I think Helen also wrote in an old post on Ray Peat that if take B Complex you can get recovered after a while. You will just feel weird on it.

I would say if you do not believe in TEI then you can try this or for example the hormones. Or the electrolyte protocol. I would just be critical at the end of the TEI cycle if you see improvement. But also do not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Sometimes you need to have patience.

 

[bruschi11]

“Low t increased confirming recovery”

Doesn’t confirm nothing lol we have high t guys here.

Obviously I believe him tho. What’s his name on PH?

 

[Helen]

zinc magnesium and b complex was written here for like gazzilion of years )) pyroluria treatment.

 

[Helen]

@Admiral Barely improving on electrolytes protocol? I had people improve HUGE on that.

 

[Helen]

We have another person also doing the same @Admiral

https://www.hackstasis.com/threads/jlyans-log-post-accutane-mild-cfs-some-recovery.1484/

Zinc and magnesium and b6 is zma which increases testosterone, by increasing potassium.

this is what I asked you about it.

 

[Helen]

@Admiral this is what I gave @wuf

 

[Admiral]

Ah, thanks guys. Like I said, kind of in a downswing right now.

Still weird how people recover pretty quickly with stuff like that, while TEI/ARL seems to take years, if it even recovers us in the first place.

 

[Helen]

Ah, thanks guys. Like I said, kind of in a downswing right now.

Still weird how people recover pretty quickly with stuff like that, while TEI/ARL seems to take years, if it even recovers us in the first place.

this guy it took years also

 

[Helen]

@Admiral you can try this. you do have low hormones.

 

[Admiral]

My 3rd ARL cycle had zinc, magnesium and a little b6. Maybe it were those ingredients which gave me new heights. It just didn’t stick, for whichever reason.

Might look into it once more..

 

[Helen]

My 3rd ARL cycle had zinc, magnesium and a little b6. Maybe it were those ingredients which gave me new heights. It just didn’t stick, for whichever reason.

Might look into it once more..

Actually when I look at your hairtests they are very weird to me.

slow oxidation then fast oxidation wtf?

and now TEI is giving you copper again?


you also have confusing hairtest dates

you did 2 cycles of TEI?

 

[Admiral]

Actually when I look at your hairtests they are very weird to me.

slow oxidation then fast oxidation wtf?

and now TEI is giving you copper again?


you also have confusing hairtest dates

you did 2 cycles of TEI?

Slow on first. Fast since then. I thought it was common the first hair test to indicate a false oxidation rate.

I started out with two TEI hair tests. Didn’t do the suggested supps then. Did 3 full ARL cycles and one TEI. The tests in my signature are incomplete. I am missing one. Will edit shortly.

I am getting loads of copper, yes. Haven’t messed or added anything while on the program aside from coffee enema’s and liver flushes.

I think my ratio’s and hair test actually looks pretty decent compared to some here.

 

[Helen]

Slow on first. Fast since then. I thought it was common the first hair test to indicate a false oxidation rate.

I started out with two TEI hair tests. Didn’t do the suggested supps then. Did 3 full ARL cycles and one TEI. I am getting loads of copper, yes. Haven’t messed or added anything while on the program aside from coffee enema’s and liver flushes.

I think my ratio’s and hair test actually looks pretty decent compared to some here.

can you please tell me what kind of hair are you sending? is it head hair?

 

[Admiral]

can you please tell me what kind of hair are you sending? is it head hair?

Always have, except the last one, which was pubic hair.

 

[Helen]

Always have, except the last one, which was pubic hair.

can you please tell me the order of your hairtests, this is so confusing.

 

[Helen]

It seems you are fucking yourself up.

First you did ARL. it gave you zinc and magnesium and b6. which is correct.

then you did fasting with hydrogen, which as a wrong hairtest

and then you did PUBIC TEI, which is wrong.

Dont send pubic, we saw insane differences. Like slow oxidizer becomes fast with pubic.

 

[Admiral]

TEI and ARL ask for hear or pubic hair specifically. Only the phosphorus rises a bit. I don’t think it made too much of a difference in the suggested supplements. This last pubic hair TEI cycle pretty much gave me the same advice as the previous head hair ARL. Only ARL comes with more ingredients.

I have an entire cycle of ARL still at my disposal due to a double delivery.

 

[Helen]

TEI and ARL ask for hear or pubic hair specifically. Only the phosphorus rises a bit. I don’t think it made too much of a difference in the suggested supplements. This last pubic hair TEI cycle pretty much gave me the same advice as the previous head hair ARL. Only ARL comes with more ingredients.

I have an entire cycle of ARL still at my disposal due to a double delivery.

Do you follow this forum, several people tested pubic vs head hair and it was terrible differences.

actually it is so bad, I dont even know what to do with this . since It was crazy bad differences.

 

[Walker]

Do you follow this forum, several people tested pubic vs head hair and it was terrible differences.

actually it is so bad, I dont even know what to do with this . since It was crazy bad differences.

What about Axillary hair? That’s what I used for my TEI hair test. I keep my head hair cut too short to use it.