PFS almost cured

[Helen]

Zinc must be the most tried supplement among the PFS community. Pretty much 95% does bad on it. Then again, I'm sure few tried it with active B's.

most people got cured from it. along with magnesium. you posted tons of people , and mario vitaly also feels completely cured on pyroluria treatment.

but it depends on the cases.

 

[Helen]

ok so, in my case with my first recovery with cys/hist, you say I opened up my zinc finger and received the subsequent DHT action, and I'm assuming you mean I was on the other end because I have a lot of AR receptors due to desensitization. Would opening zinc finger again while having light AR inhibition prove to put someone in a more balanced state? I know you can swing out of this easily again, as I did, but it seems like that would be the ultimate crutch if you can hold that. I was able to have a prolonged recovery in that state.

I know system balancing is how you would probably rec opening up zinc finger again, but if I can do it with just cyst/hist once, why wouldn't that work again? different imbalance somewhere now?

you go on fin, for a while. your numbers of ARs in your DHT sensitive cells becomes huge.

then you go off fin, and DHT rises , allopregnenolone rises

and then you have problems either with gaba levels or DHT levels , thus may be 2 cases


DHT rises but numbers of AR proteins is still there, and it could be big. so the body just regulates the transcription of the AR, it shuts down the zinc finger, or acetylation of the histone.


But this transcriptional shut down, happens for All ARs, not just the ones where DHT is.

so basically too high DHT shuts down testosterone actions, since too sensitive DHT, causes AR shut down, and testosterone does not work.


This is my thinking process of this, I could be wrong, but this is what I think.

especially after we saw that JACK17, takes duta and feels zero fall in any libido or anything like that

since he lowered his DHT levels, zinc finger went back in, and testosterone started to work. so if he lowers DHT, nothing really happens, and he does not even feel it.

 

[Rid]

you go on fin, for a while. your numbers of ARs in your DHT sensitive cells becomes huge.

then you go off fin, and DHT rises , allopregnenolone rises

and then you have problems either with gaba levels or DHT levels , thus may be 2 cases


DHT rises but numbers of AR proteins is still there, and it could be big. so the body just regulates the transcription of the AR, it shuts down the zinc finger, or acetylation of the histone.


But this transcriptional shut down, happens for All ARs, not just the ones where DHT is.

so basically too high DHT shuts down testosterone actions, since too sensitive DHT, causes AR shut down, and testosterone does not work.


This is my thinking process of this, I could be wrong, but this is what I think.

especially after we saw that JACK17, takes duta and feels zero fall in any libido or anything like that

since he lowered his DHT levels, zinc finger went back in, and testosterone started to work. so if he lowers DHT, nothing really happens, and he does not even feel it.

do you still believe long term fasting/breuss can essentially fix all of those problems in the most straight-forward manner?

 

[Helen]

do you still believe long term fasting/breuss can essentially fix all of those problems in the most straight-forward manner?

may be, fasting and prolonged fasting causes protein deficiency, so may be those protein levels go down over time while you are fasting

and then when you refeed, the body starts to be regulated properly.

 

[Rid]

may be, fasting and prolonged fasting causes protein deficiency, so may be those protein levels go down over time while you are fasting

and then when you refeed, the body starts to be regulated properly.

good to know.

going with this same line of thinking of Sensitization + up/down regulation, where do you think tribulus falls in here? We know it boosts test which will have an effect on DHT and AR, but it seems to really mess with my system in a number of ways. recently took a small dose of trib and lost libido, had discomfort in prostate (ARs?) mild unwell feeling, lack of drive and I seem to manage to get sick EVERY SINGLE TIME I take trib. it's uncanny. like it turns back on my immune system and I start fighting shit.

could just be coincidence, but I find it interesting that, assuming we follow this same logic of more dht, more room for dht to act on receptors, why do I feel immediately shitty on trib, and then balance out some weeks later. You'd think I would feel better after immediately taking it and only after my body rebalances start feeling shitty, but it seems to have the opposite effect, much like AR-inhibs where I Feel shitty after first taking it, body rebalances and ARs down-regulate and I improve.

 

[Rid]

@Helen found another interesting improvement through use of 5ari's AND tribulus... tomato juice/prog cream:

Then their PFS cant be that severe. I mean when I had zero libido for months last year after my crash I couldnt accept it any longer and tried 5AR inhibitors again (progesterone cream). Then 2 weeks later I came up with my own protocol (tomato juice, tribulus, no fap) and cured my libido and almost all mental symptoms few weeks later. Still have other symptoms, but the worst symptoms are gone.

this is from solvepfs, and there's a lot of recoveries posted there, many with similar solutions, I wont be able to link because its all private and you need an account, but I can dig up some more if you're interested.

 

[Helen]

@Helen found another interesting improvement through use of 5ari's AND tribulus... tomato juice/prog cream:

Then their PFS cant be that severe. I mean when I had zero libido for months last year after my crash I couldnt accept it any longer and tried 5AR inhibitors again (progesterone cream). Then 2 weeks later I came up with my own protocol (tomato juice, tribulus, no fap) and cured my libido and almost all mental symptoms few weeks later. Still have other symptoms, but the worst symptoms are gone.

this is from solvepfs, and there's a lot of recoveries posted there, many with similar solutions, I wont be able to link because its all private and you need an account, but I can dig up some more if you're interested.

progesterone raises potassium in the body, tribulus increases 5ar.

of course you lose libido on tribulus you increased DHT. DHT kills libido.

 

[Helen]

@Rid why would you feel good on something that opens up your 5ar. if you have too sensitive DHT. it shuts down your testosterone.

the minute you take tribulus , it increase your DHT, and body loses zinc finger, this raises your cortisol and you get sick. since cortisol lowers your immune system.

zinc finger is what cortisol reception is don't forget. same as AR reception. So if you increase DHT , body loses something from zinc finger, and your cortisol has less reception and rises, and activates aldosterone and potassium falls, and you crash.


This is why if someone takes 5ar inhibitor, then zinc finger goes back in and cortisol works better. and people feel better, then they come off 5ar inhibitors, zinc finger goes away, and you crash again.

 

[Helen]

@Rid I thought it might have something to do with serine for some people.

 

[Nina]

progesterone raises potassium in the body, tribulus increases 5ar.

of course you lose libido on tribulus you increased DHT. DHT kills libido.

I always thought high DHT people had high (excessive even) sex drive?

 

[bruschi11]

After I just fasted I was missing something so so bad after. It was my body’s ability to use cortisol. Which hasn’t been good for awhile but removing Lyme and it’s associated toxins these past couple months- I should’ve been able to use my cortisol.

It’s been bone broth... a lot of bone broth the past few days making my cortisol work again. Just ran a couple miles with my dog and it feels so so good.

Proteins are so so big in this. If you can’t digest proteins and use them correctly you got issues with pfs. You have to make your body be able to do so.

 

[Helen]

I always thought high DHT people had high (excessive even) sex drive?

no , if DHT is too high , it can cause zero libido apathy depression and major anxiety.

 

[Nina]

no , if DHT is too high , it can cause zero libido apathy depression and major anxiety.

What is the mechanism behind this? How does high DHT cause these symptoms?

 

[Goose12]

no , if DHT is too high , it can cause zero libido apathy depression and major anxiety.

Same thing happened to @Stud on high doses of dht, if I remember correctly.

 

[Goose12]

What is the mechanism behind this? How does high DHT cause these symptoms?

I think it lowers estrogen to much and raises shbg, which is binding to your testosterone. Dht is also a stress hormone.

 

[ncsugrad]

So, there's a lot of talk here... but are there suggestions on what to actually try?

I tried 0.1mg of fin about a month ago.. I actually felt pretty horny maybe 4-5 days later.. I remember waking up one morning and the sheet rubbing against my 'you know what' felt amazing, like it hadn't been in quite a while.. that eventually faded after another week or so but I had a few good days.

Maybe a week after that (2-3 weeks after originally trying some) I took another crumb of fin, 0.1mg or so.. but never got the same result. If anything, I'm as bad as I've ever been. Very little libido, sexual 'wow' sensation is just gone right now.

I have fin, dut, progesterone, and pretty much every vitamin/supplement that's been mentioned on this forum lately at my disposal. Along with r-andro, tribulus, progesterone, etc.

Any suggestions on things to try? Or should I wait it out on nothing for a few weeks?

 

[bruschi11]

So, there's a lot of talk here... but are there suggestions on what to actually try?

I tried 0.1mg of fin about a month ago.. I actually felt pretty horny maybe 4-5 days later.. I remember waking up one morning and the sheet rubbing against my 'you know what' felt amazing, like it hadn't been in quite a while.. that eventually faded after another week or so but I had a few good days.

Maybe a week after that (2-3 weeks after originally trying some) I took another crumb of fin, 0.1mg or so.. but never got the same result. If anything, I'm as bad as I've ever been. Very little libido, sexual 'wow' sensation is just gone right now.

I have fin, dut, progesterone, and pretty much every vitamin/supplement that's been mentioned on this forum lately at my disposal. Along with r-andro, tribulus, progesterone, etc.

Any suggestions on things to try? Or should I wait it out on nothing for a few weeks?

What are your symptoms? Do u have a log? I think symptom set is best thing to look at when considering a path ahead for someone.

 

[ncsugrad]

What are your symptoms? Do u have a log? I think symptom set is best thing to look at when considering a path ahead for someone.

#1 symptom is poor genital sensitivity that seems to get worse the longer sex goes, to the point that I’m all but numb eventually. Also, longer than normal refractory period. Libido comes and goes it seems.

I haven’t really kept a log here. I did one on propecia help

I’ve seen high and mid level total test (tested twice), always low free test, low end of normal estrogen and high end of normal prolactin, but lowering prolactin did not make any difference.

Anyways, sorry not trying to turn this thread into all about me, just trying to get suggestions of things to try

 

[bruschi11]

#1 symptom is poor genital sensitivity that seems to get worse the longer sex goes, to the point that I’m all but numb eventually. Also, longer than normal refractory period. Libido comes and goes it seems.

I haven’t really kept a log here. I did one on propecia help

I’ve seen high and mid level total test (tested twice), always low free test, low end of normal estrogen and high end of normal prolactin, but lowering prolactin did not make any difference.

Anyways, sorry not trying to turn this thread into all about me, just trying to get suggestions of things to try

Id make your own log- just copy past your log from PH and add in whatever from there.
Would be best for people to understand your situation.

Honestly from my perspective for people that wake up feeling great every day, digestion is great etc but have sexual pfs- you can try some things like zinc finger, copper gcu amino type strategies that have been mentioned here.

That’s really how Scenes was cured. As he didn’t have crazy non sexual pfs like a lot of us do. A lot of us need the detox bad from things like nutritonal balancing and fasting. Nutritonal balancing is probably best way of going at this long term and something great for keeping yourself young as an aging person.

It’s weird but I’m kinda glad I got pfs in way due to knowledge I’ve gained from NB sciences. I probably would’ve been on testosterone all my life had I not gotten pfs. Instead I’ve been able to make my body feel a decade younger with proper nutrition and exercise which is damn cool.

 

[TubZy]

yes, you talk about all those cases, who are not cured, now. That bodybuilder forum guy we posted all those here, and discussed it. he is not cured.

Cycling progesterone, is good, since progesterone retains potassium in the body, and thus DHT falls down later on, without even taking anything.

licorice root increases cortisol


CD protocol feeds DHT

We are looking at people here who are trying all of this here. we have people who are trying to come off fin., and duta,

so far we have the author of this thread. with high DHT, and he has been doing this for a long time. now . and it does not seem to stick for some reason.

You think the tomato juice recoveries are just from the high amount of potassium in it rather than the lycopene lowering 5AR?