Outlaw's log

[Outlaw]

Hi everybody,

No idea how active this place is, but I figured I would start a new log here since Swole is dead. I don't like the idea of continuously updating a health forum, as I think I do best when I stay away from all this talk. I will try to update every few months.


Long story short, I had great improvements last fall from 1 week of Amoxicillin (for Chlamydia) and 10 weeks of SIBO herbals (morinda, melia, devrom, Interfase). My orgasm sensitivity went from 20% to 75%, I stopped crashing from orgasms, I had enough libido for maybe 1.5 times per week, I could build muscle, and my sound sensitivity improved.

Unfortunately I crashed in January from 3 days of half a pill of ox bile. I've repeated it a lot over time, but it really looks like bile flow is critical in PFS. Milk thistle, ox bile, B vitamins, selenium... anything that relates to liver detoxification is risky. Ox bile has very little to do with androgens, and yet it brought me back to square 1 for one week, with the classic initial crash symptoms. It got better over a couple months but I'm still not anywhere close to how I was in December.

In March I did a 2 week juice fast and transitioned to keto. It helped inflammation (neck pain), sleep, genital texture, and even sound sensitivity a bit. Unfortunately I started a job in June, and after 1 week I was cooked... it was too much for my nervous system. I have been working from home ever since. The sound sensitivity is really what prevents me from being somewhat functional. I used to think it was damage, but now I think it's neuroinflammation + limbic issues (microglia activation).


Currently doing another round of gut, alternating 2 weeks of oregano and 2 weeks of melia+morinda for 2 months. I am using bismuth, BFB-2, Interfase and xylitol for biofilms, so I am going strong on this angle. Modified citrus pectin at night as a binder. I have had viral blisters show up on my arms... most probably EBV, which I tested positive for last year.

During those 2 months I will also do some nasal cleanses, as I discovered I have MARCONS. This triggers the immune system, and could explain my eustachian tube/tinnitus/sound sensitivity symptoms. I will use Xlear spray, xylitol+oregano flushes, and steam bowls with essential oils.

After those 2 months, I will repopulate with oral probiotics and probiotic enemas. I might transition to a lower protein diet, as I recall I had good ear symptoms last year on it. Probably less ammonia.

Other things I need to adress are methylation, adrenals, heavy metals and liver. For the liver, I'm going to do liver flushes and microdose ox bile or SJW to induce and downregulate PXR. I also need to tackle AR via herbs and cycle. Damn, a lot of shit to do, but I'm going slowly one step at a time.


I can't hold a job in person now.. the nervous system and sound sensitivity are too much. But I can work from home for now and I have a condo with a full gym, pool and sauna. I have no reasons not to improve.

I have been through rivers of flame since my B crash in September 2021, but I feel like I understand this problem more than ever. My tests showed a laundry list of problems, so no wonder I don't feel like Superman. The plan hasn't changed... one day I'll be partying with models on a yacht.

Take care of yourselves lads

 

[zancek0]

Hey man, thanks for this write-up. I'm gonna do my own soon as well.

Before you jump away from this talk (which is probably what I should also do to obsess less) - do you mind sharing the tests/labs you might have? And can you also share what else during your PFS has seemed to make you worse beside b complex crash and ox bile (this one in particular seems very random)?

Have a good one.

 

[Outlaw]

You mean the tests I did, or the results?

The big crashes where B complex and ox bile. Also had a crash where i took ashwaganda and cordycep the days prior, but I can't establish direct causation for it. And a small crash with selenium.

Ox bile is not that random, it actually ties with a liver theory that has already been discussed (and in my opinion, wrongly forgotten) in PFS spaces. I will make a post here some day about it.

 

[zancek0]

You mean the tests I did, or the results?

The big crashes where B complex and ox bile. Also had a crash where i took ashwaganda and cordycep the days prior, but I can't establish direct causation for it. And a small crash with selenium.

Ox bile is not that random, it actually ties with a liver theory that has already been discussed (and in my opinion, wrongly forgotten) in PFS spaces. I will make a post here some day about it.

The results, I mean.

Yeah, the ox bile crash makes sense in the context of the liver/bile flow theory, definitely. I guess it seems random since it's not that known to induce crashes. But I guess this is because most people who do logs don't ever try it.

 

[Outlaw]

I would need to blur my name on each and it would take a long time, I'll post them some day.

 

[zancek0]

I would need to blur my name on each and it would take a long time, I'll post them some day.

Okay, np. Don't have to. Maybe in case you ever feel overly inspired to do so.

 

[Outlaw]

Wanted to fill out this log. I don't expect anyone to read all that lol, I just want to leave a track record for when I recover.

INITIAL CRASH
Crashed 6 hours after a single pill. Within 2 weeks, I had:
- full spectrum of mental sides (insomnia, anhedonia, derealization, brain fog, concentration problems, tinnitus, sound sensitivity)

- severe sexual sides (shrinking, numbness, cold, rubbery texture, ED, inexistent libido, painful ejaculation, 100% numb orgasm, small balls, crooked dick)

- physical symptoms (wrinkles, elastic skin, muscle wastage, loss of leg hair, eustachian tube dysfunction, crunching/cracking TMJ jaw, crackling ears, and lost feeling on my skin for 2 weeks)

RECOVERY
3 months postcrash I learned about TMO and went all in. I did great progress over 6 months. Mental sides were far from gone, but enough that I could work. Sexually still wrecked, but could get an erection. Physically I was in great shape. Still had tinnitus and mild sound sensitivity.

Went to a dentist cleaning and it spiked my sound sensitivity to extreme levels. Couldnt tolerate my voice, the sink, or any of the outside world. Initially thought it was ear damage, but for many reasons I now believe it's a limbic issue. Took a B complex 2 days after and had a huge crash.

From september 2021 to April 2021, I was absolutely wrecked. All my PFS symptoms were now full throttle, on top I developed gut issues, yellow stools, histamine intolerance and exercise intolerance, and I had severe sound sensitivity that kept me inside my room, with only reading and playing chess as activities. This was a brutal portion, and I seriously considered suicide on 2 occasions.

I spent the whole winter reading, and came on the gut theory. Made sense since my B crash coincided with gut issues. Also noticed that PFS people were full of infections/metals/dysbiosis/mold that burdened the immune system. So I got a boatload of tests done, and my Gimap showed severe dysbiosis, Hpylori and lack of beneficial strains. Hair test showed heavy metals toxicity, and metabolic dysfunction through high potassium. Methylation markers wrecked. A little mold in urine but not much. A lot was explained there.

I also had super high serum ammonia, which lead me to believe CBS was overactivated. So I went on a low sulfur diet for 3 months, along with ornithine and molybdenum. It helped a bit, mostly sound sensitivity. Now I wouldnt do it again.. sulfur is vital, and CBS overactivation means something is pushing demand for gluthatione, so it's better to adress whatever is draining gluthatione.

Then in August I finally started treating the gut. Got huge die off, but I felt a bit better. Mid september I thought about STDs and tested positive for chlamydia, which I had for the past 2 years (had it 3 months before crash). Went on 1 week of amoxicillin (safer than doxy), and it went away. After that amox, my sexual symptoms improved a lot. Orgasm felt good, hang was good, libido was better... crazy. And amox is not a hdac inhibitor, so I assume it's gut related. I continued the SiBo herbal treatment, and kept getting better. In December my sexual were improved, I could train every 2 days, and ear wise I could even tolerate a christmas dinner with my family and make music on low volume. I was best I ever was.

Then in January I took 1 pill of ox bile supplement for 3 days, and crashed bad. Same symptoms as first crash (albeit less intense)... numb orgasm, shrunken cock, derealization, etc). This is for another time, but I think the liver is a big part of the problem and anything that detoxes it too fast can hurt.

February I tried I got some Amox and tried to replicate the magic but no luck. March I tried a breuss fast, but gave up after 14 days, I had bad electrolytes and went to the ER. After the fast I transitioned to keto. It improved some symptoms... genital texture was perfect, and sound sensitivity was a bit reduced. In May I was back to making music at low volume, which is huge.

Also, I always suspected I had Marcons in my sinus, given all my sinus/ear symptoms. Testing was too expensive so I tried the sinus rinse from josh leisk and I got huge die off after spraying my nose for 3 days with Xlear spray. Huge fatigue, zits in my ear canal, severe neck pain, derealization.... I definitely killed something there. So I need to adress that too.

Started a new job in June after 1 week my ears were fried and I was back in hell. Burning ears, couldnt go out or tolerate my voice. I was too confident and exposed myself to too much sound. And started heavy too, gym every morning and work from 8 to 8.


CURRENT SITUATION
2 months later Im a bit better ear wise, but still not like in June. I'm still unable to work because of the sound sensitivity, and it might impact my job when I transition to full time. However, when I look back at the horror I've been through, I realize that Im the best (or close to the best) on every other aspects.

Currently on TMO without herbs, with a keto diet instead of paleo. I've been on a gut kill protocol for 7 weeks (xylitol, bismuth and Interfase for biofilm disruptors, and rotating oregano/melia/morinda for antimicrobials). Just like last fall, I'm seeing good improvements by tackling the gut:

- My sleep is now pretty good

- My exercise intolerance is pretty much gone (I used to shake and have insomnia after a workout, now only a bit of insomnia if I train like 3-4 days in a row)

- No more histamine intolerance (used to have itching/anxiety/insomnia with any histamine food.. now I eat eggs/redmeat/egg whites easy)

- In the best shape of my life. I was pretty good after 6 months of TMO at the beginning of PFS, but crashed bad from the B complex and developed exercise intolerance after. Will post a before/after pic to motivate the troops

- sexual sides are improving a bit. I used to crash from a single orgasm, now I can have 4 a week or even 2 a day. That current gut treatment is also helping orgasm intensity. ED is good, premature ejaculation improved a lot and I can get no touch boners sometimes. However, I'm still lacking libido and sensitivity. I was completely wrecked for years sexually so this is good step up

- mental sides are almost gone. Cognitively I'm fine, derealization and brain fog is gone. Still not as fluent verbally, and still don't have as much emotions, but given all I've been through, I could settle for that easy. Wondered if I could romantically love, but last month I've been having windows after meditation when I felt a small wave of love for my ex, thinking I should text her and shit. So I think it's still there under the surface.



If I could fix my sound sensitivity, I could easily live a normal life with subpar sex. I really need to fix this. I think it's linked to PFS because it was there (less intense) when I crashed. It gets better whenever I treat the gut, but worst after eating. It improves with meditation, hot bath or orgasm. Josh Leisk thinks it's metabolic too.

NEXT GUT STEPS
Finish the gut kill phase
Continue healing mucosa (marshmallow, aloe, slippery elm, glutamine)
Repopulate with dlactate free oral probiotics
Sinus rinse and repopulate with Lsakei
Repopulate with probiotic enemas with resistant starch
After all that.. resistant starch protocol to grow flora + eat a varied diet

OTHER STEPS
Continue TMO
Electrolyte protocol
DNRS
Heavy metals chelation (sauna, fulvic, maybe Cutler)
Liver flushes
Coffe enemas
Methylation support
TMO herbs + pine pollen + cycle
Josh leisk protocol (already doing a lot from it indirectly)
Supps to heal my brain/sound sensitivity: LDN, cerebrolysin, GHB, ketamine


*****

Keep pushing lads. I was supremely wrecked and despite being dysfunctional ear-wise, I'm still standing, improving on other aspects and I have a lot of things to add to my regimen. Seeing people like Tubz recover after 10 years gives me a boost. If I could manage the ears, I could live a normal life while working on the rest. We got this

@TubZy , can you move this thread to the pfs logs section please?

 

[Outlaw]

Here's a before/after to motivate the troops and make this thread more lively. Not looking to flex on a PFS forum lol

Before (May 2021)
- 5 months post crash, 2 months on full TMO

After (August 2023)
- 2 years and 8 months post crash

 

[Outlaw]

Ok quick update.

In september I added some dlactate free probiotics. I took a small dose, only 12.5 Billions. This created liquid stools, but it improved orgasm sensitivity.

Then I transitioned to probiotic enemas to repopulate my gut after the 2 month of herbals. I started with 12.5 billions and after a week I got a big fever die-off reaction. I slowly upped the dose to 125 billions and added 2tsp of modified potato starch (for resistant starch) in the enema. I did this every 2 days for 10 weeks, which is a lot.

This really helped my nervous system and allowed me to go back to work 2 days a week which is big for my ear issues. I would hold and absorb the enema over night and I could tell the morning after.. I felt relaxed. It also helped my premature ejaculation.. well, it basically eradicated it 80% I think. I don't know if it's because the sensitivity lowered, but I'll take it. Also, I can feel the orgasm coming from deeper, hard to describe. Finally, my stools improved. It's on and off, but when it's good, it's among the best it's been in PFS.

However it also really stimulated my immune system. I caught a huge cold, only my 2nd in PFS, the first one being during my first SIBO treatment last year. Not a coincidence. It also made me really fatigued, and tanked my muscular and cardio endurance to zero.

End of november I added some sinus rinse from the joshua leisk Bornfree protocol. It stinged like crazy initially, apparently this means tissues are infected. I kept at it and after 3 weeks it stinged less. On week 4 I added Lsakei afterwards to repopulate.

However near week 3-4 of the sinus I started getting really weak after meals, and anxious in general. I thought maybe I had overdone it with the enemas, but I think it has more to do with the sinus die off. My neck muscles are also super stiff.

Not in a great place right now because I had some stress from a job interview + a fire alarm on the same day. I think the stress and the tight neck muscles from the sinus made me weaker to the sound exposure: my nervous system has been fried since Friday and the muscles behind my ears are hurting. I think a big part of my sound sensitivity is a mix of neuroinflammation, limbic over-activation and TMJ issues.

So now the next step of my plan was to start the electrolytes protocol in January, and after talking to Tubzy this feels like a no brainer. I have to attack this issue from a 360/metabolic standpoint... just the gut wont cut it for me.

So I'll get going on the electrolytes protocol, all while bringing back TMO and the gyms which I abandoned during my die off season.

I will also try to do some sort of gut cycle... something like:
- 2 weeks of herbals
- 2 weeks of herbals + water enema followed by probiotic enema
- 2 weeks of probiotic enemas
- 6 weeks of nothing to let the body adjust, and eating prebiotic and resistant starch

Keeping the dosages low. Kind of like a prohormone cycle but for the gut.

Keep it up lads, PFS has been brutal for me the past 3 years but in 2024 I'm gonna nuke it

 

[RebelWithACause]

Good luck dude keep it up.

 

[Outlaw]

Gradually adding the electrolytes protocol stuff.. I've been on MgCL and KCL for 1 week (2 x 200mg of each + 800mg Kgluconate and 250Mgbiglycinate)

Positive
- more energy
- more penile sensitivity

Negative
- anxiety and heart rate up after some doses (too much electrolytes, or perhaps inducing a deficiency by refilling intracellular with chloride forms?)
- rubbery dick and post-orgasm derealization and anxiety


Basically tonight I'm going through a small crash. Same feeling (although smaller) as for my selenium and Bcomplex crash. No idea if those 3 crashes were/are actually good things. I haven't had derealization and post-orgasm crash for well over a year, so I don't understand how simply chloride forms and masturbation brings me back here.

I'm gonna get through it but I'm feeling pretty lost at the moment.

 

[MNK99]

Keep at it man, hopefully it is only a minor setback. Maybe rest up extra or just workout a bit... and like keep going. Maybe it is time to add something else? Or just remove B for a couple weeks? I always liked it, but it made Tubzy and others crash apparently.

 

[Outlaw]

Keep at it man, hopefully it is only a minor setback. Maybe rest up extra or just workout a bit... and like keep going. Maybe it is time to add something else? Or just remove B for a couple weeks? I always liked it, but it made Tubzy and others crash apparently.

Thanks man. I haven't added the B's yet actually... just MgCL and KCL.

Prior to crashing tonight, I did see positives and negatives from adding it so I don't know if it's a good or bad sign.

The only possibility is that 2 weeks ago I stopped my 10 weeks of probiotic enemas (every other day) and it gave me some bloating and gut issues that only resolved in the last few days. Maybe my flora recalibrating back from the enemas made me more susceptible to a crash.

It's either that or the chloride forms

 

[MNK99]

I think it will just be minor man... try and meditate. Just the Mag and potassium sounds good. Maybe enema stoppage is playing a role but I think you will go up and down through recovery at times. Most of us did.

 

[Outlaw]

I think it will just be minor man... try and meditate. Just the Mag and potassium sounds good. Maybe enema stoppage is playing a role but I think you will go up and down through recovery at times. Most of us did.

Thanks I appreciate it. I'm sending good vibes your way too bud

 

[Outlaw]

Still not recovered from that chloride worsening, and the gut issues that started after stopping the probiotic enemas are now pretty bad. I'm bloated, constipated and I need to take a nap after each meal.

The problem definitely started with the gut after stopping the enemas (and the sinus antimicrobial rinse which I had been doing for 3 weeks), but chlorides brought back some long-gone PFS symptoms like POIS, derealization and complete genital numbness. Maybe I went too strong with the enemas and dysbiosis has shifted.

The other hypothesis is that the sinus rinse is the cause, because I had no gut problems on the enemas, and they started when I added the sinus rinse.

Gonna do a Biomesight stool test in a week, and then I'm considering some sort of fast to reset:
- water fast (efficient, but maybe a bit taxing)
- juice feast (less taxing and good for remineralizing, but wouldn't the sugar feed SIBO?

This is by far the worst I've felt in a year, I'm afraid that I altered my microbiome and compromised my recovery. Not gonna throw the word permanent because I've been through enough with this condition to know I can pull myself out of deep holes.

Any help is appreciated lads, hope you have good holidays

 

[Outlaw]

I'm now pretty back to early PFS days, except for less panick and suicidal ideation. Back to heavy brainfog, derealization, anhedonia, anxiety, rubbery genitals and feeling like an asexual zombie.

And this all correlates with my gut issues since stopping the enemas.

It's really hard to be back in the pit after grinding for 3 years to become (almost) functional.


This will be a comeback story if I've ever seen one.

 

[merebalacy]

Hi Outlaw, noticed you haven’t logged in for a while now, wanted to know how you were doing!

 

[Outlaw]

Hi Outlaw, noticed you haven’t logged in for a while now, wanted to know how you were doing!

Big coincidence, I was loggin back to do so. Should've done it earlier because that last message was doom n gloom.

I did a 10 day water fast in the end of December which set me up on the right track. I didn't do any interventions during the winter but during the spring I worked on candida and my gut in general (candex, capyrlic acid, lyzozyme, GHK-CU, curcuma, boswellia) while adding back some carbs in my diet (white rice, potatoes, that's it).

This gave me a huge improvement in my nervous system (ear-wise) and allowed me to start working in person more frequently. I even had sex with 2 girls (first time since PFS) and I nailed those exams with flying colors. Got Cialis for the second one but it was more for the mental aspect as she was hotter and I still didnt feel confident about how it would work.Ears were so good that I even went on a vacation, which is absolutely crazy given my last 4 years, and how sensitive my ears were up until recently. Also got in good shape. August to october I was working crazy hours at work and tolerating it.

However I got a cold in October, followed by Covid 2 weeks later, which I thought was a great sign immune wise, given that I didnt truly get sick during the last 4 years. I had crazy brainfog and nauseau for 2 weeks, which prevented me from even looking at screens at all. It was pretty bad. I stabilized and got back to work but when I tried to get back in the gym, it triggered some big fatigue which lasted 5 days, and then a big crash.

I was super scared of transitioning to CFS/LC but aside from fatigue I dont have any classic PEM flu-like symptoms or whatever. Right now I'm pretty crashed out (completely asexual, brainfog, can't tolerate exercise at all it seems) but I'm working on my gut and I'm gonna pull myself out of it.

Sending encouragements to everyone. I got wrecked from 1 pill 4 years ago and with my nervous system issues I was pretty much housebound for the majority of the last few years, but this summer was as close to a recovery as I ever got. I could ''feel'' normality, even though I wasn't near it persay. I am not stressed about this condition anymore, I know I can hurt it. And even if it ends up transitioning to CFS with PEM like I feared 2 weeks ago, I will still nuke it. Plently of dedicated people do.

I'm trying to stay as far away from forums as I can because it heightens my anxiety and most people on them are complaining and catastrophizing so I don't wanna drain my energy.

We all got this

 

[merebalacy]

Big coincidence, I was loggin back to do so. Should've done it earlier because that last message was doom n gloom.

I did a 10 day water fast in the end of December which set me up on the right track. I didn't do any interventions during the winter but during the spring I worked on candida and my gut in general (candex, capyrlic acid, lyzozyme, GHK-CU, curcuma, boswellia) while adding back some carbs in my diet (white rice, potatoes, that's it).

This gave me a huge improvement in my nervous system (ear-wise) and allowed me to start working in person more frequently. I even had sex with 2 girls (first time since PFS) and I nailed those exams with flying colors. Got Cialis for the second one but it was more for the mental aspect as she was hotter and I still didnt feel confident about how it would work.Ears were so good that I even went on a vacation, which is absolutely crazy given my last 4 years, and how sensitive my ears were up until recently. Also got in good shape. August to october I was working crazy hours at work and tolerating it.

However I got a cold in October, followed by Covid 2 weeks later, which I thought was a great sign immune wise, given that I didnt truly get sick during the last 4 years. I had crazy brainfog and nauseau for 2 weeks, which prevented me from even looking at screens at all. It was pretty bad. I stabilized and got back to work but when I tried to get back in the gym, it triggered some big fatigue which lasted 5 days, and then a big crash.

I was super scared of transitioning to CFS/LC but aside from fatigue I dont have any classic PEM flu-like symptoms or whatever. Right now I'm pretty crashed out (completely asexual, brainfog, can't tolerate exercise at all it seems) but I'm working on my gut and I'm gonna pull myself out of it.

Sending encouragements to everyone. I got wrecked from 1 pill 4 years ago and with my nervous system issues I was pretty much housebound for the majority of the last few years, but this summer was as close to a recovery as I ever got. I could ''feel'' normality, even though I wasn't near it persay. I am not stressed about this condition anymore, I know I can hurt it. And even if it ends up transitioning to CFS with PEM like I feared 2 weeks ago, I will still nuke it. Plently of dedicated people do.

I'm trying to stay as far away from forums as I can because it heightens my anxiety and most people on them are complaining and catastrophizing so I don't wanna drain my energy.

We all got this

Keep pushing forward man, I am now quite severe, albeit not neuro-wise but more physical - your story helps me so much. So few severe cases keep hacking away and seeing you improve motivates me to push forward too, so I appreciate you for not giving up and sticking with it. Keep updating this log too, I want to see you recover given how much of a rollercoaster this has been for you.

You'll be immortalised in the PFS space once you do lol!