Post Accutane - Oily skin

[Orion]

Did you try cysteine instead?

Edit: i see youre doing a similar protocol to lower histidine now. Will be cool to see how it goes!

If my hair test doesnt show improvement the next retest i do, i will start a similar protocol for fast oxidation.

Methionine arriving early next week, so will test it, but copper seems to be helping...

 

[Orion]

@Orion

Copper always made me sweat like this at first when I took it

I told you to take copper together with things. Not just copper.

Also if copper does not work, try b6 with zinc.


can you please post your hairtest here again

No sweating last night, so hopefully through that phase.

 

[Orion]

Just to add another thought;

Teenagers often get lots of acne. It is said that most young people are fast oxidisers, which are usually low in copper (generally seems to be good to supp magnesium, potassium, copper... which produces methionine anyway as gbold said).

I wonder the diffeence here between a child (lets say 10yo) vs a teenager (15yo). Why does one get acne and the other doesnt? Maybe because the 15yo has fast oxidation + really high sex hormones, and its the combination of the two.

Maybe acne is a symptom of fast oxidation + sex hormones?

Will keep this thread posted of the copper/methionine approach. Really want to end the oily skin, really dislike the feeling of it.

 

[mattyb]

What are some of the signs you need to fast more?

Some of the signs you need to peat (lets say, eat and rest) more?

You should be able to tell on your own just using your intuition. Are you bloated, lazy, tired, depressed, unmotivated and life is slow 'n easy? You could probably benefit from a fast. Are you burned out, anxious, hungry, and life is stressful and hard? You probably need to eat and relax.

I just came off of a three day breuss-style fast last night. I knew I needed to fast because I was super bloated and tired from all the food, booze, and sitting around over the holidays. I feel great now though. The fast perked me up, cleared out my digestive system, and I got a ton done even though I was running on empty. The duration of the fast will determine it's effects, so you choose the type of fasting depending on your needs.

That's the thing about these fasts, they don't need to be super long depending on why you are using them. Every different type of fast (18/6 daily IF, 1-3 day long fasts, alternate day fasting, week to month long fasts, etc.) can accomplish different things at different levels. Daily IF will help a bit with digestion and cortisol sensitivity while stimulating the SNS to a small degree. Multiple day fasts will do all of the above but with a stronger effect, raise NAD+, raise HGH, initiate some autophagy/mitophagy, and initiate some stem cell differentiation. Week to month long fasts will do all of the above, chelate minerals/heavy metals, and promote autophagy/mitophagy to it's maximum. The dose determines the response, just like any drug. This is a therapy ultimately. And each of the type of fasts also carries their own side effects and risks, so you have to choose something appropriate for the setting.

 

[Orion]

Update; So today is day 5 on 1mg copper, plus the stack for lowering histamine. Oiliness has not subsided yet, maybe slightly reducing production during the day. Sleeping seems back to normal with no night sweats

Can't say if shedding has increased, but definitely not stopping it, still lose lots of vibrant thick hairs with bulb (at least 40 to 80 a day), with even just brushing hand through hair they fall out, my scalp has been doing this for years now, I have no idea how I am not completely bald... the thinning continues.

 

[Aleksandr]

Update; So today is day 5 on 1mg copper, plus the stack for lowering histamine. Oiliness has not subsided yet, maybe slightly reducing production during the day. Sleeping seems back to normal with no night sweats

Can't say if shedding has increased, but definitely not stopping it, still lose lots of vibrant thick hairs with bulb (at least 40 to 80 a day), with even just brushing hand through hair they fall out, my scalp has been doing this for years now, I have no idea how I am not completely bald... the thinning continues.

Sucks to hear. Looks like no one has regrown with gbolds protocol yet, just a few have halted more shedding. There is talk now of getting ass hair transplants into the scalp... LOL god please no

Hows your tongue going - is the white coating still gone?

 

[Helen]

Update; So today is day 5 on 1mg copper, plus the stack for lowering histamine. Oiliness has not subsided yet, maybe slightly reducing production during the day. Sleeping seems back to normal with no night sweats

Can't say if shedding has increased, but definitely not stopping it, still lose lots of vibrant thick hairs with bulb (at least 40 to 80 a day), with even just brushing hand through hair they fall out, my scalp has been doing this for years now, I have no idea how I am not completely bald... the thinning continues.

What exactly are you taking?

Copper will kill your thyroid in 5 days or a week. You need to take it with magnesium potassium selenium vitamin D and methionine. If you think you can just ommit things from these recs. Then dont take anything. Every thing is needed.

 

[Helen]

Sucks to hear. Looks like no one has regrown with gbolds protocol yet, just a few have halted more shedding. There is talk now of getting ass hair transplants into the scalp... LOL god please no

Hows your tongue going - is the white coating still gone?

He is not taking anything for hair. Copper is not going to stop hairloss, it will increase it. I have no idea why he is taking it.

when I say to take stuff, I say to take stuff in certain order. For some reason people just keep taking random stuff. Copper will increase tyrosine break down, and it needs methionine to support methylation. He is not taking it. So how is hair going to get thick and stop falling out?

If people going to take random stuff, they should not take anything.

I say not to take copper alone, but he still does.

there is a talk of getting hair transplants? what are you taking about? WE are discussing PFS in that thread not hair.

NO one is doing anything for hair there yet. And those who are , stopped the hairloss

I posted 2 way for hairloss, zinc manganese, histidine, or inositol and copper methionine, selenium vitamin D magnesium potassium.

those who fit zinc manganese case already reported that it stopped all their hairloss and hair got much thicker. You need to read. at least 5 people posted it.

One person is taking copper methionine route. and his hair is already getting good.

|Those who take nothing can discuss hairtransplants no problem

Regrowth takes a year


Are you fighting hairloss or PFS?

protocols are for normal people not for post accutane, or post fin. Those need to get out of their imbalance, and then think about hair.

Most people are in 4 highs in those imbalances, so they have copper toxicity and copper deficiency at the same time.

 

[Helen]

@Orion

"I'm fast oxidizer with TE and PE. I'm taking minerals mentioned by @gbolduev, do not take cysteine but recently I started taking methionine and it is a real game changer for me. I think that it is far to early to give a firm testimonial, but it may be helpful in further research. Since I added methionine, it definitely lowered my really bad PE (typicall 3 seconds man :/ ), hair shed is definitely stopped or way decreased, finally I don't have that shitty oily skin on my forehead and don't have such alcohol intolerance."

Post for oily skin. I have no idea why you take mineral for 5 days alone. Minerals dont work alone in the body. You never should take one mineral.

When I tell you to take something, every ingredient, does something. If you dont have all ingredients dont take anything, I keep telling you this and you keep taking stuff.

 

[Aleksandr]

He is not taking anything for hair. Copper is not going to stop hairloss, it will increase it. I have no idea why he is taking it.

when I say to take stuff, I say to take stuff in certain order. For some reason people just keep taking random stuff. Copper will increase tyrosine break down, and it needs methionine to support methylation. He is not taking it. So how is hair going to get thick and stop falling out?

If people going to take random stuff, they should not take anything.

I say not to take copper alone, but he still does.

there is a talk of getting hair transplants? what are you taking about? WE are discussing PFS in that thread not hair.

NO one is doing anything for hair there yet. And those who are , stopped the hairloss

I posted 2 way for hairloss, zinc manganese, histidine, or inositol and copper methionine, selenium vitamin D magnesium potassium.

those who fit zinc manganese case already reported that it stopped all their hairloss and hair got much thicker. You need to read. at least 5 people posted it.

One person is taking copper methionine route. and his hair is already getting good.

|Those who take nothing can discuss hairtransplants no problem

Regrowth takes a year


Are you fighting hairloss or PFS?

protocols are for normal people not for post accutane, or post fin. Those need to get out of their imbalance, and then think about hair.

Most people are in 4 highs in those imbalances, so they have copper toxicity and copper deficiency at the same time.

Yes but no one has had significant regrowth. Have you? Can you post pictures to prove it? People are just saying "my hair seems thicker" or something. There are no before or after photos with actual receeded hairlines growing back in.

Now i'm just doing cronometer to make sure I get enough minerals of everything through food. I think that is ideal for me, who had low of most minerals (as a slow 4). Your body will throw away extra minerals if you don't need them right? Also taking bovine adrenal because my adrenal ratio was off.

 

[Helen]

Yes but no one has had significant regrowth. Have you? Can you post pictures to prove it? People are just saying "my hair seems thicker" or something. There are no before or after photos with actual receeded hairlines growing back in.

Now i'm just doing cronometer to make sure I get enough minerals of everything through food. I think that is ideal for me, who had low of most minerals (as a slow 4). Your body will throw away extra minerals if you don't need them right? Also taking bovine adrenal because my adrenal ratio was off.

Regrowth? in 5 days? people been taking stuff for a week. It takes a year for any regrowth. But if you start shifting into right body chemistry . You will see totally different hair in 2 months.

I have not seen any pictures.

Are you fighting hairloss or PFS PSSD, accutane? since you should not even think about hair if you are post drug, you will most likely shed it all after you go into your previous body chemistry.


You should understand that most of these people on zinc finger thread is PFS. And none of them are taking anything yet and those who are are taking it , all see their hair getting better. it takes a year.

Read with methionine and cysteine people on amazon. I takes half year and the whole head has news hairs. but you cant just take methionine since without copper it will cause more hairloss in PFS people. PFS are not normal people


I admit it was quite ridiculous to combine 2 in one thread))) but I am sure, it will work for both at the same time.

 

[Orion]

Sucks to hear. Looks like no one has regrown with gbolds protocol yet, just a few have halted more shedding. There is talk now of getting ass hair transplants into the scalp... LOL god please no

Hows your tongue going - is the white coating still gone?

Tongue is pink still, no white coating since the long fast ended.

 

[Orion]

What exactly are you taking?

Copper will kill your thyroid in 5 days or a week. You need to take it with magnesium potassium selenium vitamin D and methionine. If you think you can just ommit things from these recs. Then dont take anything. Every thing is needed.

Taking everything listed but methionine, it arrives this week. will stop all until I have methionine then make a decision. But I did increase protein intake to compensate for increased methionine, i guess this is not the same as taking pure methionine. How much pure methionine would be recommended in a normal stack?


Started copper stack, to see if it would have an effect on sebum production, its seems to have reduced it a little. Copper to reduced histamine was the plan

 

[Helen]

Taking everything listed but methionine, it arrives this week. will stop all until I have methionine then make a decision.

Started copper stack, to see if it would have an effect on sebum production, its seems to have reduced it a little. Copper to reduced histamine was the plan

Also after a little bit on this you need to add manganese and a little zinc . Since most people have both imbalances and in 4 highs.

So manganese should be around twice as much as copper.

may be play with manganese from the start with copper and the stack. methionine is neede to increase methylation so thyroid does not go down

 

[Orion]

@Orion

"I'm fast oxidizer with TE and PE. I'm taking minerals mentioned by @gbolduev, do not take cysteine but recently I started taking methionine and it is a real game changer for me. I think that it is far to early to give a firm testimonial, but it may be helpful in further research. Since I added methionine, it definitely lowered my really bad PE (typicall 3 seconds man :/ ), hair shed is definitely stopped or way decreased, finally I don't have that shitty oily skin on my forehead and don't have such alcohol intolerance."

Post for oily skin. I have no idea why you take mineral for 5 days alone. Minerals dont work alone in the body. You never should take one mineral.

When I tell you to take something, every ingredient, does something. If you dont have all ingredients dont take anything, I keep telling you this and you keep taking stuff.

Thanks, will back off any all minerals, focus on food and maybe aminos. Also will be doing a hairtest and get the full blood tests suggested in the next couple weeks. I really need to get balanced, my hair is in a good spot right now, but shifting to regrowth would be awesome, need to get shedding under control but also oily skin!

 

[Helen]

Thanks, will back off any all minerals, focus on food and maybe aminos. Also will be doing a hairtest and get the full blood tests suggested in the next couple weeks. I really need to get balanced, my hair is in a good spot right now, but shifting to regrowth would be awesome, need to get shedding under control but also oily skin!

You can try the route that I told you , it will work for shedding and oil


It should be something like that

4 mg manganese, 3 mg copper, 300 mg magnesium, 500 potassium , selenium about 100, vitamin D about 200-300 and methionine about 500 and then add zinc 10.

Play with this. without zinc and manganese and with. and see what is better. may be better with manganese at first. since your body is using up prolactin like crazy now. so it is using up manganese for it. so you are really deficient in it

 

[Orion]

You can try the route that I told you , it will work for shedding and oil

OK to be clear, this is the lowering histamine route:

Lower Histamine; Copper, Methionine, Potassium, Magnesium and Selenium (case: copper deficiency). Some vitamin D

Add in zinc and manganese(double copper amount), after a while.

 

[Orion]

@Orion

"I'm fast oxidizer with TE and PE. I'm taking minerals mentioned by @gbolduev, do not take cysteine but recently I started taking methionine and it is a real game changer for me. I think that it is far to early to give a firm testimonial, but it may be helpful in further research. Since I added methionine, it definitely lowered my really bad PE (typicall 3 seconds man :/ ), hair shed is definitely stopped or way decreased, finally I don't have that shitty oily skin on my forehead and don't have such alcohol intolerance."

Post for oily skin. I have no idea why you take mineral for 5 days alone. Minerals dont work alone in the body. You never should take one mineral.

When I tell you to take something, every ingredient, does something. If you dont have all ingredients dont take anything, I keep telling you this and you keep taking stuff.

Was the post listed here, from a hackstasis member? It was just methionine? Any idea what the suggested average methionine amount per day is?

 

[Helen]

Was the post listed here, from a hackstasis member? It was just methionine? Any idea what the suggested average methionine amount per day is?

I posted this above all of this. Just now

 

[Orion]

I posted this above all of this. Just now

Many thanks, got it all, and found the post from @Jamie asked how much methionine he tested with as well.