ANAVAR trials and results so far.( will be updated )

[joekool]

I've had results on my test cycle before anavar, as my log showed. The low T state increases androgen receptor levels and density. It's visible in high AR muscles like traps.

The anavar has bumped me over for sure

 

[Helen]

I've had results on my test cycle before anavar, as my log showed. The low T state increases androgen receptor levels and density. It's visible in high AR muscles like traps.

The anavar has bumped me over for sure

Dude, I dont want to argue with you. 100 mg a week will put you into high range of testosterone for a male. Please stop this already.

As I showed you already like 50 tests results of people on 100mg of T a week as a TRT. you think they take TRT to have lower TEST haha.

All those people posted their before and after tests on 100mg and 80 mg of test a week, test was HIGH

 

[Jack17]

Helen,
I never started the second Anavar trial. I've done a two Progesterone runs since with small dose of Ella 7mg. I do feel very normal on that regimen and last week Libido was at 100% but only lasted 4-5 days. I've had periods for several weeks with feeling essentially normal off everything but then symptoms return. I'm still interested in Anavar. How much test would you add to anavar and when? I was thinking about adding Epcg and Vitamin B2. Turns out I had been drinking a lot of green tea before my last improvement but not sure if that made the difference. Also my Test 800 and DHT 83 (25-85) are already on the high side. What are your thoughts for guys already with high Test? I thought you said IHateFin had low Test.

 

[Helen]

Helen,
I never started the second Anavar trial. I've done a two Progesterone runs since with small dose of Ella 7mg. I do feel very normal on that regimen and last week Libido was at 100% but only lasted 4-5 days. I've had periods for several weeks with feeling essentially normal off everything but then symptoms return. I'm still interested in Anavar. How much test would you add to anavar and when? I was thinking about adding Epcg and Vitamin B2. Turns out I had been drinking a lot of green tea before my last improvement but not sure if that made the difference. Also my Test 800 and DHT 83 (25-85) are already on the high side. What are your thoughts for guys already with high Test? I thought you said IHateFin had low Test.

what is your LH?

 

[joekool]

@Jack17 please look up green tea's effect on blocking dht and you'll realise why I'm right about androgen receptors up regulating when you block it, hence the bounce back post green tea and even the first two weeks post fin.

 

[Helen]

@Jack17 please look up green tea's effect on blocking dht and you'll realise why I'm right about androgen receptors up regulating when you block it, hence the bounce back post green tea and even the first two weeks post fin.

exactly when you block DHT androgen receptors upregulate))

When you have zero DHT, body cant upregulate any receptors JOE. since DHT is not there , for instance Duta blocks DHT 90%.

This is the whole reason and the problem of this situation, since DHT or cortisol was inhibited to such degree that no ligand binding part stupid adjustment ( which never works anyway) could do anything. Since there is simply too little of the hormone for a long time.

body cant live without it. AND it has to overmethylate DNA. So even at DHT 1 in blood, it will act the same as DHT 1000.

What it does it overmethylates histones and DNA. So level of DHT of 1 can do the same as level of DHT of 100.

Receptor and density has to bind stuff to have any effect. if DHT level is low. it can only bind certain amount of DHT, no matter what density you have ))

it is a ligand binding part of the AR.


Fin effects both GR and AR. since it kills cortisol totally and DHT.

and depending on the body chemistry . lets say you are a slow oxidizer and you dont need cortisol. so the body will not overmethylate cortisol receptor much,.

But will overmethylate AR. So when you quit fin. then you have overexpressed AR which loses zinc finger, and cortisol which is not insensitive and rises.


In case of fast oxidizer it is the opposite, fast oxidizer has low DHT. and need cortisol. So body will overmethylate cortisol . and will not touch AR. since no need.

And then when you quit finasteride, your cortisol will be very strong, and body will lose zinc finger, and AR will feel insensitive and DHT rises



this is why we have people with low DHT and high DHT, low cortisol and high cortisol in PFS

 

[Jack17]

what is your LH?

Didn't check that.

 

[Niles]

Just to add an important point, and it goes back to my Androgen Receptor theory... Testosterone injections actually increase androgen receptors which i believe Is an important part of recovery if you subscribe to my theory regarding receptors. @Helen has stated no to that but i stand by my concepts and personal results thus far.

Did you ever get bloods while on T injections to confirm your theory of "low test state"? It'd be a big help to the community if we could better understand the mechanisms behind your improvements.

 

[Helen]

Did you ever get bloods while on T injections to confirm your theory of "low test state"? It'd be a big help to the community if we could better understand the mechanisms behind your improvements.

Niles , just go on propecia forum, and type in TRT> and look at people with tests, on 100 , 80 mg of test a week.. I mean I did TRT for 100s of people , I gave them less than 100m a week. and I have seen hundreds of tests.



100mg of test E =80 of test.

male makes 4-7 mg a day. Joe already makes even at lowest 4 mg a day. if you get 80 a week, with a half life of 5 -7 days,

even if you divide that by half )) in total , like 40 mg a week/ By 7 days. , that is 6 mg a day on top of his 4 mg that he makes naturaly.)))) And this number is higher in reality))

So if he checks his test in urine, he will be losing some testosterone daily)) in higher amount))



TRT lowers LH. LH increases progesterone, thus TRT lowers progesterone, and you feel lethargic. but it lowers cortisol also

 

[Niles]

Niles , just go on propecia forum, and type in TRT> and look at people with tests, on 100 , 80 mg of test a week.. I mean I did TRT for 100s of people , I gave them less than 100m a week. and I have seen hundreds of tests.



100mg of test E =80 of test.

male makes 4-7 mg a day. Joe already makes even at lowest 4 mg a day. if you get 80 a week, with a half life of 5 -7 days,

even if you divide that by half )) in total , like 40 mg a week/ By 7 days. , that is 6 mg a day on top of his 4 mg that he makes naturaly.)))) And this number is higher in reality))

So if he checks his test in urine, he will be losing some testosterone daily)) in higher amount))



TRT lowers LH. LH increases progesterone, thus TRT lowers progesterone, and you feel lethargic. but it lowers cortisol also

Right, this is what I would expect as well, but it goes against joe's theory of "low test state". So it'd be nice to finally confirm one way or the other with blood tests so that misinformation isn't being spread.

 

[MNK99]

SO anavar >>> test, for slow oxidizers right. I responded to r-andro and 4-andro like 10/10.. after water fasting in 2018. What about low dose test... 40-50mg and anavar... long term, to help with a connective tissue disorder and PFS ? I felt cured for a few yrs... but something happened and hurt me lately.

Or should I just stick to TEI? My tei's all came back slow one no toxicity... but I fasted like hells 2018 -2019... and yeah after 2021.. I don't think I ate as clean nor exercised as much, things were closed too...


I want to take var and dex... for PFS and ADHD. Test I tried, still feel quite depressed. Felt more confident, happy, awesome than ever all of 2018 summer to 2020 2021... half way through maybe.

--Anavar didn't help you @TubZy ? Ella, ru... fasting, randro diet, exercise, simplified electrolytes all that helped me major 2018 and i thought i was cured.. but maybe needed to do more tei. In 2019 all I did for pfs was Kingsblood ... many months.. and clean diet and exercise. And 20 similar nothing except some vitamins... b, mg, enzymes, dex... i didn't even take nootropics much of 2021 -2022.

Most of last 2 yrs Ive taken nothing but health has had major setbacks... I hope ev1 is well. Any advice?

 

[MNK99]

True?​

Helen​

• Dec 3, 2018
• #19

@joekool Joe, then you should have stayed on testosterone, come off of it and then show us your results. You honestly lost me after talking about 100mg of test a week as being in low test state. IT is WRONG.

And now you are saying that test is increasing androgen receptors. How is it. if you were in low TEST state on your low dose test regimen))

I was arguing with you that test does not keep you in low test state))

My rec for PFS was test and progest from the start.

and then I rec'd anavar to you.

you got more results on anavar in one week than on 9 months of test. tubzy felt cured in 1 week on anavar))


-mostly seems true.... 100mg test/ 7 is like 14mg a day, twice what some men produce per day. though 80mg/7... rather than 100mg, because some is ester mass...


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Dude, I dont want to argue with you. 100 mg a week will put you into high range of testosterone for a male. Please stop this already.

As I showed you already like 50 tests results of people on 100mg of T a week as a TRT. you think they take TRT to have lower TEST haha.

All those people posted their before and after tests on 100mg and 80 mg of test a week, test was HIGH

--Hmm.. so maybe microdose 20mg a day... or i mean 7mg a day, i did try 20 and 7 recently it was ok but i need to hit weights more. for sure.. didn't feel life changing like fasting, randro, 4andro.
--some bad motivation hurting things are going on for me right now but i will get back into it.

--i have slin pins and all that shyt. i also tried hcg randomly, none of these things killed me. or even hurt me (probably didn't help balance). rad140 possibly hurt me tho. rad and ostarine.. recently..
makes no sense to take sarms with pfs... pssd.

 

[TubZy]

SO anavar >>> test, for slow oxidizers right. I responded to r-andro and 4-andro like 10/10.. after water fasting in 2018. What about low dose test... 40-50mg and anavar... long term, to help with a connective tissue disorder and PFS ? I felt cured for a few yrs... but something happened and hurt me lately.

Or should I just stick to TEI? My tei's all came back slow one no toxicity... but I fasted like hells 2018 -2019... and yeah after 2021.. I don't think I ate as clean nor exercised as much, things were closed too...


I want to take var and dex... for PFS and ADHD. Test I tried, still feel quite depressed. Felt more confident, happy, awesome than ever all of 2018 summer to 2020 2021... half way through maybe.

--Anavar didn't help you @TubZy ? Ella, ru... fasting, randro diet, exercise, simplified electrolytes all that helped me major 2018 and i thought i was cured.. but maybe needed to do more tei. In 2019 all I did for pfs was Kingsblood ... many months.. and clean diet and exercise. And 20 similar nothing except some vitamins... b, mg, enzymes, dex... i didn't even take nootropics much of 2021 -2022.

Most of last 2 yrs Ive taken nothing but health has had major setbacks... I hope ev1 is well. Any advice?

Not permanently - gains were lost once I came off var unfortunately. It seems anything that is weaker androgenically than DHT puts the body in a semi like fin state (same concept on going back on low dose fin/dut like @jack178 did). So it becomes like a band aid approach as you want something stronger or at least the same potency as DHT hitting the AR.

That is why that one dude regrew hair with low dose anavar since it is actually weaker than DHT and the var is binding to the AR instead. But when you stop var the DHT will start to bind to the AR again.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Does anyone know what effect Anavar has on GABA? Does it lower it or increase?

 

[MNK99]

I think it still doesn't help neurosteroids. Unlike dermacrine (pregnanolone, dhea) and r-andro (which ups neurosteroids and also dht). good question... I shall see some google scholar studies.
probably doesn't help most of them. Maybe Gaba a or b... it does something to it.