Into amino acid supps? Read this

[Aleksandr]

What Are Essential Amino Acids?

@Helen always says to look at the health guru and judge their health before you start their protocols / recommendations etc. Ben Greenfield is 37 years old, been doing spartan races, triathlons etc, and his hair test was decently balanced (although in 4 highs at the time - which was after a triathlon or something). Anyway, he looks great. He could easily pass for being in his 20's. He's got a full head of hair (like zero recession and looks pretty thick) whilst also being ripped. How many sports / diet guys do you know who satisfy this criteria? Not many.

Anyway, he swears by essential amino acids and he bases his info on the podcast presented here. The guy he's interviewing Dr David Minkoff was 67 at the time of the interview, and about to go and do his 41st triathlon (wtf a beast just being able to do one of them, let alone at 67 years of age.. for his 41st LOL) ANYWAY the point he makes is that these aminos will help you stay anabolic and repair damage like wolverine. Dr Minkoff also looks pretty good for a 67 year old, although his skin looks a bit weathered. But he didn't start supplementing the aminos until 10 years ago I think he said.

In Helen's electrolyte protocol he recommends them too.

But whats being recommended is 8 essential amino acids. I believe thers actually 9 EAAs, but the 9th one causes the others not to absorb as well supposedly. This blend:

L–Leucine, L–Valine, L–Isoleucine, L–Lysine HCl, L–Phenylalanine, L–Threonine, L–Methionine, L–Tryptophan

is the one recommended, supposed to have 98% absorbability.

They say BCAA's aren't as good and mostly get turned into carbs, that food sources the best things are egg and breast milk but you only get 50% protein utilization from them (and who can eat much of these foods lol), the next best is like beef / chicken / fish which is around 30%, and vegan sources / whey protein sucks at 16% and often causes stomach issues.

These EAA's are supposed to fix the stomach and everything, be amazing for sports, be an amazing energy pick up. I imagine they'd be great for hair too.

I'm super excited to try them. 10 caps in the morning without food is supposed to be good, for like 10g of protein (98% absorbed)


What do you guys reckon? Anyone try them out before?

This is the link to Ben's product with the correct ratios: Kion Aminos

Unfortunately it says "proprietary blend" and doesn't say what the ratios are... It looks expensive. Any ideas on how to cheapen this process guys?

 

[Aleksandr]

Just found this amino blend:

Balanced Amino Acid Complex

For this one you'd get 3500mg of aminos per 5 capsules, 7000 if you used 10.

In the video the guy recommends taking 10g (10,000mg) a day in the morning, for 3 months to "replenish" lost aminos.

Anyway the viridian one gives the breakdown of the amino formula
L-Leucine 130mg
L-Phenylalanine 130mg
L-Lysine 100mg
L-Histidine 76mg *********histidine isn't listed in the kion supplement, supposedly it reduces absorbability down to like 94% or something thats why they didnt add it
L-Isoleucine 76mg
L-Valine 66mg
L-Methionine 50mg
L-Threonine 50mg
L-Trytophan 20mg


anyway, so maybe we could:

1) try one of these amino supplements, see if it has the desired effect for us, then
2) buy bulk aminos from somewhere like "pure bulk" supplement powders, of each individual amino, and combine them ourselves to save $$

@Helen @mattyb what do you guys think?


Heres another one from pure encapsulations, which are known for high quality:

Amino Replete - Amino Acids - Category - Products

Tones of aminos in this one, not just the EAA's.

 

[HerrFisch]

I never understood why people buy bcaa or eaa in caps.
Just why?
I get 1kg for 30 vs 150g in caps. And caps are often with fillers, so even less doses.
And if you buy those in caps, you have to literally eat the capsules. What’s when you want 15g of eaa. Take 30 capsules?

Capsules are for those who like placebo. Because one dose of eaa capsules are often like 45mg of leucine.

There even exists protein powder in capsule form LOL. Just wasting money.
And daily dose on the bottle is 5 capsules which is 5g protein.
Like who cares

 

[Slayo]

Amino acids put potassium in the cells through the stimulation of insulin, maybe this is another relevant mecchanism.

Anyway i think even better than EAA are full spectrum amino acids as the conversion of the EAA to the other aminos is dependent on many nutrients

 

[Aleksandr]

I never understood why people buy bcaa or eaa in caps.
Just why?
I get 1kg for 30 vs 150g in caps. And caps are often with fillers, so even less doses.
And if you buy those in caps, you have to literally eat the capsules. What’s when you want 15g of eaa. Take 30 capsules?

Capsules are for those who like placebo. Because one dose of eaa capsules are often like 45mg of leucine.

There even exists protein powder in capsule form LOL. Just wasting money.
And daily dose on the bottle is 5 capsules which is 5g protein.
Like who cares

Yeah it seems that pure encapsulations one is the best. Its a powder 10g per serving

 

[Aleksandr]

Amino acids put potassium in the cells through the stimulation of insulin, maybe this is another relevant mecchanism.

Anyway i think even better than EAA are full spectrum amino acids as the conversion of the EAA to the other aminos is dependent on many nutrients

The problem is beef or whey is only 30 and 16% absorbable respectively and has to go through a hardcore digestive process which is using up energy too. At least what they say. Worth a try imo.

 

[Slayo]

The problem is beef or whey is only 30 and 16% absorbable respectively and has to go through a hardcore digestive process which is using up energy too. At least what they say. Worth a try imo.

There are full spectrum aminos in free form, they require no digestion

 

[Aleksandr]

Li

There are full spectrum aminos in free form, they require no digestion

Link?

 

[bruschi11]

Funny eggs are one of best absorbed. I’ve been putting egg whites in tea’s and noticing libido increases while drinking them.

Anything about collagen protein anywhere? Big thing in health is collagen these days.

 

[Aleksandr]

What do you guys think about creatine?
Does it improve recovery?

I like the idea of becoming more anabolic ... i think i tend toward catabolism; my na:k ratios agree with that
They say 5g of creatine monohydrate per day. works as a nootropic too

 

[supernature]

What do you guys think about creatine?

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[MNK99]

Protein capsules ... instead of whey , Frank took capsules like 700 a day at times. LOL, they have liver caps too. He had a godtier physique of course. I wanted to put this in the amino acid protocol.. but yeah, he added tons of protein, kept carbs low around 100grams most the year, and like cut milk and didn't love milk etc because of the female hormones. He's a cool guy.

He injected aminos also.

He probably did some steroids but not much. In the (1960s-1970s?)

 

[highserotonin90]

@MNK99 Would injecting amino acids be equivalent to using current peptides?

 

[MNK99]

Hmm.. Not sure. Current peptides like which ones? I think aminos in food is good but this protocol has injecting them? Never did that. I did do electrolytes protocol and some tei later... but I did electrolytes and most of CD's/TMO (no body brush, no bathmate) and like a lot of other stuff, ru486, ellaone etc (mostly hackstasis stuff).

I mean I ate/ supplemented some aminos. but mostly in whey and I did try some stuff cystine and histidine back in 2017 but I had like no progress that time, I did much better after fasting in 2018.
2017 I kind of grabbed lots of supplements but only really stuck to the correct ones for me, later (and they were b, d, mg, enzymes hcl, fish oil (maybe)). I did use other stuff like choline mostly citicholine and alpha gpc at other times... and like theanine. My craziest strongest most alpha year 2018 and 2019 most pretty and elte again.

TBH I only really know about sarms and test. Use test base with sarms... and other peptides not sure, most of us didn't use these. I didn't use any either, I had some degenerative disc disease stuff going on, far after the PFS... and I took some sarms to try and get back to working out, but should have tried test. Shots of prolotherapy helped me. If I was rich/near a clinic, maybe stem cells... maybe when I am older.

Other peptides like I am not sure. And for bodybuilding, I mean the natural compounds like tongkat ali and all of CD's stuff and like fadogia are good.
As far as bodybuilding peptides --nearly everyone will say test, anavar, winstrol, dbol and the other old anabolic steroids are better. FOR curing pfs, pssd, pas, more natural the better (so none of these).

 

[Juliaavzm]

Could someone guide me on how to reply to an existing thread?
Perhaps I'm doing something incorrectly?
I would appreciate some assistance.
Thanks a lot.

 

[highserotonin90]

Hmm.. Not sure. Current peptides like which ones? I think aminos in food is good but this protocol has injecting them? Never did that. I did do electrolytes protocol and some tei later... but I did electrolytes and most of CD's/TMO (no body brush, no bathmate) and like a lot of other stuff, ru486, ellaone etc (mostly hackstasis stuff).

I mean I ate/ supplemented some aminos. but mostly in whey and I did try some stuff cystine and histidine back in 2017 but I had like no progress that time, I did much better after fasting in 2018.
2017 I kind of grabbed lots of supplements but only really stuck to the correct ones for me, later (and they were b, d, mg, enzymes hcl, fish oil (maybe)). I did use other stuff like choline mostly citicholine and alpha gpc at other times... and like theanine. My craziest strongest most alpha year 2018 and 2019 most pretty and elte again.

TBH I only really know about sarms and test. Use test base with sarms... and other peptides not sure, most of us didn't use these. I didn't use any either, I had some degenerative disc disease stuff going on, far after the PFS... and I took some sarms to try and get back to working out, but should have tried test. Shots of prolotherapy helped me. If I was rich/near a clinic, maybe stem cells... maybe when I am older.

Other peptides like I am not sure. And for bodybuilding, I mean the natural compounds like tongkat ali and all of CD's stuff and like fadogia are good.
As far as bodybuilding peptides --nearly everyone will say test, anavar, winstrol, dbol and the other old anabolic steroids are better. FOR curing pfs, pssd, pas, more natural the better (so none of these).

Have you ever heard of the MOTOS C? @MNK99

 

[RebelWithACause]

Protein capsules ... instead of whey , Frank took capsules like 700 a day at times. LOL, they have liver caps too. He had a godtier physique of course. I wanted to put this in the amino acid protocol.. but yeah, he added tons of protein, kept carbs low around 100grams most the year, and like cut milk and didn't love milk etc because of the female hormones. He's a cool guy.

He injected aminos also.

He probably did some steroids but not much. In the (1960s-1970s?)

They were on high dosages even back then. But not as high as now for sure. A lot of bodybuilders are liars and hate that "steroid accusations" takes away from their hard work (a few hours max in the gym a day). Something I did as a natty for years. Bodybuilding isn't that hard. I went through way more hardship than any of these motherfuckers... And I don't prance around saying it's great. Bodybuilding is gay as hell... and I used to be part of that death cult.

 

[MNK99]

Yeah he is less sketchy than many others but even Zane is capping for sure. No steroids. I like fitness/ optimal training for aesthetics but am no bodybuilder though have looked it when dialed in all.

And for sure we all went thru way more than all these guys. PSSD and pfs later I did.. and balancing anyways, let alone health/career shyt.