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[PAS]

Thanks @bruschi11, I am really happy that you're getting better man. I am not sick beyond PAS, it's just that I have every side effect in the worst degree. I have even forgotten what emotions are supposed to feel like ( probably also which position @cnb30 seems to be in from his posts ).

@MNK99, I have tried a 3 day water fast and that did not do anything. I ll have to try again someday since I am all out options but what length would you recommend for me, considering I am thin and not mentally inclined to fast ( I believe this inclination to fast helps HUGELY). And bro never regret taking fin because that is just hindsight guilt, you and I and everybody here did not know these fucking shit ass drugs would do this to us. Our body is our ultimate investment, its only natural to want to protect the skin and the hair. And I know you also know this fact ( as indicated from your last line ) but this is for the other readers.

 

[bruschi11]

Thanks @bruschi11, I am really happy that you're getting better man. I am not sick beyond PAS, it's just that I have every side effect in the worst degree. I have even forgotten what emotions are supposed to feel like ( probably also which position @cnb30 seems to be in from his posts ).

No man, you just don't get it. You're wrong and I'm sorry to say so bluntly but you need to hear this. Maybe I can help you get it. PAS is brutal just like PFS just like PSSD. And while they caused chemical issues in us... all of us are effected by the toxins, pathogens, heavy metals you name it within our systems that the PFS, PSSD, PAS allow to flourish and affect you so badly. They also affect our mineral content and hormonal functions. Overall these disorders are time bombs for the system and whatever tiny slight possible issue that could arise one day in your life- just jumped out immediately due to the PAS imbalance you created within yourself.

PAS created an imbalance in you just like it did to @Orion and so many sufferers. The imbalance you guys have is very likely similar but its the things surrounding your body like its mineral content, toxins, pathogens, heavy metals- you have issues with these that are affecting your brain. They are affecting the way you think, function, perceive, you sexuality. The combination of all of these things are what shape you.

And you are clearly in bad shape. And with you having this PAS imbalance the bad in your body is thriving so so well and making you miserable. .

You can get better from this. You just have to go at this correctly.

 

[vicecaz]

I agree with bruschi here
I too have the full blown PAS, no emotion, ED, 0 libido, dry skin/eyes you name it
And as time and my body went further into dysfunction, imbalance, or remained in that state, I developed other " side effects " that would be more directly related to minerals, fungus
The initial culprit is still the same but it's like a domino/cascading effect, allowed by PAS/PFS

As you said there's no regret as we couldn't imagine such reaction to this drug . I'm getting better and you will as well very soon
Information is key here, once you have it and adjust from your experimentations you'll see results

 

[MNK99]

Hey @Lost... I tried 5 days of Juice Feasting twice (did not do much... some tiny glimpse of an improvement) and water fasting 4 days and 5 days (with one day meal or so in between them) right before th longer fast. Everything I've done has had subtle results, but the sum of effects was greater than each individual part and that's still true today. And sooner than later, it added to drastic improvements. And thanks, yeah it is obviously not any of our direct faults, and I agree about self-investment. Everything I was doing the years prior to this was founded on the principle of self-investment, and is now. While in the worst case of health, there wasn't any.

 

[MNK99]

I'm gonna get better and prove to them all how fucking stupid they are and that they sicken me and should be ashamed of themselves.
And that they should fellate me.

ANY updates mate, @PAS?

FASTING... inclination. I don't know, possibly correct. Probably not good for someone 6'8 100lbs. BUT, I fasted as a skinny mofo too (not quite extended tho). AND helped me mentally (different issues) but would have prevented other issues, like more medn issues.

I hear you on ISIS beard. The guns and drugs do not help at the TSA... almost fucked self over at Mexican airport. BUT**** I'm sure they have way worse probs than some tourist to deal with there. I don't think the good guys (cops) would ruin a good guy like me, but that's not a bet that anyone should take. Had to throw away stuff outside, my friend too.

And sleep-jerking... I hear that. But is that a good thing? can get arrested bro.

IF I didn't already look completely fucked (cray cray)... or could afford more time.......... I think I'd fast again. EVEN if ripped. I'm 190. I was 168... should have fasted then. 168 was tiny for me... (probably not as long tho).

GETTING MARRIED 18... or gf's not worth it.

 

[PAS]

Hey mate, recently I tried bupoprion and it is the only thing that has ever worked for me. ( I have tried 3 day fasting, intense exercise for 3 months, RU off the top of my head). It restored a very little bit of sensitivity to my penis. Maybe you can give this a try. I have also submitted my hair to TEI, results should be back in 3 weeks. When they do, I ll share whatever info I get and also ask you all to provide your insight too. I think I ll be the first PAS guy to get TEI/ARL? Orion is (very very luckily) not PAS.


If you need prescription, go to a psychiatrist and tell them about your condition. They will prescribe some SSRI like fluoxetine or somehting like clonazepam at which point you say you cant take any SSRI because PSSD has the same side effects. Then they will prescribe bupoprion since it doesn't cause sexual side effects.

 

[MNK99]

Wow, that's interesting. Wellbutrin is one of the few meds I'm interested in... But likely makes little to no sense re: my psyche. COULD help a lot, but may need something to stabilize it, although maybe not... or used intermittently.

I beleive it would help sexual drive also, in interim and energy..... (but crash, maybe depression off. and also worsened memory, and more tired later). It is an NDRI. The only medicine like that, I believe.

I think for me trying any med outside of great health and resolved bs here will not let me really know if it helps my baseline. And I've tried dex + coke, etc...... so have had all thosee effects (not recommending and certainly not recent, during school etc.) I do have mmj. WOrking my ass off helped depression a lot too, and the fast.

The only reason I'd try Bupropion would be mood and focus and restoring some sexual function, at this point I don't think it's necessary and I'd likely make sure it's solved or at least like 90% solved before that. Retribution = best antidepressant, i.e. getting whatever you need/want in the least destructive way and surpassing your rivals/enemies.

 

[MNK99]

-1 more thing, rapid results healthier-less messed up you are.
-BAD DIGESTION now is a joke vs. NO DIGESTION (severely impaired systems all over my body) 7mo ago. 4-5 days ok is now fixed in 1.4days fasting. Maybe 2.

It is worth noting it though, bc rec'd meds to me by the one psychiatrist who I feel is smart enough to know what he's talking about (THOUGH he does have a strong bias TOWARDS BP vs. ADHD in my case and all his patient's case, bc he's inpatient (hospital) and a mood disorder doc), are WORSE (AAP's, Lamictal).
Much like my main doc probably has a strong bias towards ADD (considering his practice, and most his patients, developing medicine etc...).

I'd try Carbamazepine or Wellbutrin before those. And for sure the brand name versions. But likely that won't happen. Probably have platelet issues anyways (first is out), and second............ probably shit for ADHD and that would be some find, if it helped both sides of that.

But it is worth noting, so sorry if sound cynical/etc above. Glad it's helping you.
My sit'n is complicated and WB makes sense to me and maybe a few docs, but most would rec far harsher things. Helped JQD but he's on 3-5 things and cured on and off and cured again, again and again. Hopefully, he's done by now. He's an interesting guy lol.

 

[Minime]

Hey mate, recently I tried bupoprion and it is the only thing that has ever worked for me. ( I have tried 3 day fasting, intense exercise for 3 months, RU off the top of my head). It restored a very little bit of sensitivity to my penis. Maybe you can give this a try. I have also submitted my hair to TEI, results should be back in 3 weeks. When they do, I ll share whatever info I get and also ask you all to provide your insight too. I think I ll be the first PAS guy to get TEI/ARL? Orion is (very very luckily) not PAS.


If you need prescription, go to a psychiatrist and tell them about your condition. They will prescribe some SSRI like fluoxetine or somehting like clonazepam at which point you say you cant take any SSRI because PSSD has the same side effects. Then they will prescribe bupoprion since it doesn't cause sexual side effects.

I’m PAS, PFS and post SSRI. I’ve taken all three unfortunately. I’m currently doing ARL but the effect on the genitals is very bad and I’m thinking of getting off ARL because I am probably in the lowest low of my life right now. However, part of me just wants to ride it out and see if I eventually turn a corner with the ARL protocol.

 

[MNK99]

Good post. I'm sorry you're going through a bad low right now.
I think riding out things is the only way. But if it's too bad, maybe TEI can be done.
How were you before ARL? How long has it been, I will chk your log.

EVEN if I got rid of most symptoms, the very fact I've tried all 3 makes me think it's worth it. JUST in case accutane led to effexor or there's still any latent damage.
I am hoping next arl and tei test shows healthier. Mine was decent thankfully, but who knows maybe things changed negatively. I don't think* so though. Because I feel healthier. BUT I get really irked when digestion is bad, but can still move around, workout next day, and fasting 1-2 days would fix it, even less like 20hrs or so. ANd clearly, bc I was very hungry and stressed I ate some bad foods that I usually wouldn't (containing lactose and gluten, tiny bit). BACK then, terrible digestion all day everyday let alone functioning.

Regarding urological effects, do I need to expect severe pain? I had pain, burning and was post surgery soon after quitting the fin. AND it definitely hurt, but it got better. That was shrinkage. I hope no worse shrinkage. I am certain that mine's improved a bit, but still some ways to go. AND if it went back to worse, and also: had similar or way worse pain in reversing that, I'm not sure what will happen. Although, there's like an 8-10 in scar on my stomach, and a neck incision from last yr... after pfs and before it..... so, pain tolerance is there. But* who knows.

NO one got bone loss or anything from TEI / ARL right? Sounds like a ridiculous question, perhaps. Bone pain has been exp'd from all these meds. And bone loss in some more severe cases.

 

[Minime]

Good post. I'm sorry you're going through a bad low right now.
I think riding out things is the only way. But if it's too bad, maybe TEI can be done.
How were you before ARL? How long has it been, I will chk your log.

EVEN if I got rid of most symptoms, the very fact I've tried all 3 makes me think it's worth it. JUST in case accutane led to effexor or there's still any latent damage.
I am hoping next arl and tei test shows healthier. Mine was decent thankfully, but who knows maybe things changed negatively. I don't think* so though. Because I feel healthier. BUT I get really irked when digestion is bad, but can still move around, workout next day, and fasting 1-2 days would fix it, even less like 20hrs or so. ANd clearly, bc I was very hungry and stressed I ate some bad foods that I usually wouldn't (containing lactose and gluten, tiny bit). BACK then, terrible digestion all day everyday let alone functioning.

Regarding urological effects, do I need to expect severe pain? I had pain, burning and was post surgery soon after quitting the fin. AND it definitely hurt, but it got better. That was shrinkage. I hope no worse shrinkage. I am certain that mine's improved a bit, but still some ways to go. AND if it went back to worse, and also: had similar or way worse pain in reversing that, I'm not sure what will happen. Although, there's like an 8-10 in scar on my stomach, and a neck incision from last yr... after pfs and before it..... so, pain tolerance is there. But* who knows.

NO one got bone loss or anything from TEI / ARL right? Sounds like a ridiculous question, perhaps. Bone pain has been exp'd from all these meds. And bone loss in some more severe cases.

I have thought about switching to TEI but I think you’re right that I should just stick with ARL for a little while and see what happens. It’s just so impacting below the belt. If I stop taking ARL for a day or two (which I’ve done twice now) the dull pain in my balls goes back to baseline and the annoying tingling/numbness/irritation of the skin in that area subsides a little as well. Interestingly, using sea salt as a supplement gives similar side effects for me as ARL...worsening shrinkage, tightness in the scrotum, irritating feeling in the skin, and sometimes a worsening of the dull ache down there as well. So it has something to do with the electrolytes I believe.

I’m glad to hear you’re feeling healthier. Hopefully the results of your next hair test will support how you feel.

You brought up pain. I typically always feel a slight ache / annoyance / pain in the genitals. It just happens to worsen on ARL. I wish I knew what Specifically in the ARL sups causes it to worsen.

I’m not aware of anyone getting bone loss from ARL. I do feel that my muscle wasting has worsened on ARL but I don’t believe it is bone loss. Also, it could just be a function of more stress, and healthier eating. Not sure.

 

[MNK99]

Yeah mostly feeling better, but not cured yet - other stuff also. MORE positive on net about this. Maybe 4 (that I can see) MAJOR side effects remn. Maybe more that are invisible, cannot feel, etc... but more to fix and push towards recovery, behind the scenes. There could be a lot more, I feel like 10-12, but I count every aspect, and really it's one thing, and best not to count all this. Maybe 5 if wakefulness is below baseline probably is, and 6 if bone/joint pain is PFS rather than andro/4-a, pct, etc.

GETTING quite COSTLY. Didn't spend much at all for a few months (bc I had everything on hand - purchased before). Feel guilty, paid almost all on my own then parents helped out a bit w/ some other costs, but want to pay my way for the more exp stuff / further edu'n etc., gonna be tough, but 1 thing at a time. I think I should hear back soon (TEI- Catherine). For yrs I was saving up, working on making sure I have a future, it got derailed. I'm keeping head down and focusing as m as I can.

Livable, but I fear dramatic worsening. AND I have big plans and always did... but I hide that around most, meaning it's hard to dodge all subjects with ppl close around me. But whatever. Later, easier. I vaguely explained to fam and docs at times bc I had to. I hate having to explain it tho.................... it's bad luck, I feel.

 

[tonysoprano]

It is worth noting it though, bc rec'd meds to me by the one psychiatrist who I feel is smart enough to know what he's talking about (THOUGH he does have a strong bias TOWARDS BP vs. ADHD in my case and all his patient's case, bc he's inpatient (hospital) and a mood disorder doc), are WORSE (AAP's, Lamictal).
Much like my main doc probably has a strong bias towards ADD (considering his practice, and most his patients, developing medicine etc...).

I'd try Carbamazepine or Wellbutrin before those. And for sure the brand name versions. But likely that won't happen. Probably have platelet issues anyways (first is out), and second............ probably shit for ADHD and that would be some find, if it helped both sides of that.

But it is worth noting, so sorry if sound cynical/etc above. Glad it's helping you.
My sit'n is complicated and WB makes sense to me and maybe a few docs, but most would rec far harsher things. Helped JQD but he's on 3-5 things and cured on and off and cured again, again and again. Hopefully, he's done by now. He's an interesting guy lol.

Welbutrin is amazing for my adhd and depression that I had before PFS. I actually stopped taking Welbutrin for a year because it made it hard to sleep.

During that year I took Zoloft for a month then quit. The next month I took Fin and got PFS. For two and a half years I lived in the PFS state without welbutrin and when I finally decided to go back on it last year, it changed my life drastically. Confidence, focus and wit were all restored. Sex drive increased for a while too.

Over the past year I belive it may have made my libido much worse though. As @Helen mentioned in a post last week, welbutrin depletes vitamin b6, d, q10 etc. Now that I am 100% committed to recovery I have stopped welbutrin, but God do I miss it every day.

If things are not going well, I suggest you try it.

 

[MNK99]

YEAH man thanks for that note @tonysoprano! Also you too @PAS. I wanted to try it... but by the time I thought of it again, very sick.
BC, JQD (who for some messed up reason I trust, bc we are similar in ways probably) and you guys... I THINK I now have an emergency med to trial, if I'm ever as depressed as I was last year. I am sure... various illegal and sketchy stims, and later dex helped a lot. BUT: adderall, coke, etc helped too, ... and caffiene, ephedrine before that (young adult). BUT: Maybe WB makes sense for ADHD+Depression plus some other features, maybe... then... clear again to me and my doc, that indeed,
it's ADHD* and not so much BPII. Looking at me, mostly no one can see something's wrong. BUT: seeing me pace around, talking super fast, etc... that image changes.
ALSO, insomnia... way before meds... worse obviously now. BUT: Can take other things. WHEN I move back to east coast, I'll try that at least 2 weeks away from D-Amp.
-SOME take both, so combining those with 1-3 noots (3 max, pushing it), can be safe. AM I SAYING It's GOOD FOR PFS? NO. BUT, there's a lot going on.
Possibly could have avoided needless suffering and still can. REALLY dislike going to docs, considering specialists in family anyways... BUT, I'm trying to see them elsewhere. And I am doing things on my own... but maybe, something does exist. Thought about buying online pharmacy, then reporting to my doc (leaving out some details of course). I am emailing him, but he can't talk to me much, it's a law - no reassesment no consulting.... if it's been 12+months. Will fly out to see him tho soon.

 

[MNK99]

Not to monopolize conversation here...
BUT: For me, there remains the slight issues of: --Hair loss with WB if I used it (i.e. I DID on ADDY***, RITALIN, DEX, and LAMOTRIGINE***; ***=SEVERE) and
TRIGGERING MANIA (EFFEXOR*** yeah... DEX* hypo at times... probably much of a couple semesters, tbh).
BUT, I have things that can bring that down.
-As per convos with Bluelight, Reddit, checking out drug stats, reviews, tons of research, conversations, etc... --> WB can do that too.
-Know a girl that used it for ADD or depression... one of them, and adderall and wb messed her hair up --> same type of hair loss as mine, diffuse, fphl.
-BOTH of us st. w/ amazing hair... so m so that 2-4 yrs etc of losing, ppl thought we were crazy bc there was that m hair... but if that happens 2 3 4 10 x, hair-over.

 

[PAS]

@Minime fuck man. I didnt know even arl could fuck you up like this. you can consider tapering off if this continues. no use torturing ourselves even more.

@MNK99 currently I have no side effects from bupo ( 3 weeks in 150 mg SR twice a day). Just my experience and it can still go wrong since I am just at 3 weeks.

 

[MNK99]

I hope it works out man. MAYBE I had tiny bit of frontal thinning around time of accutane and 2y later on effexor, but zero or near zero thinning/worsening for 8 yrs.
ADDY kikstarted it. AND it was fine w spiro... and such, and then LTG fucked it up. It's pretty nice still most part... but far cry from my legendary hair.
Anyways, good thing to think about is: Unmedicated BPII + ADHD is pretty fucking bad... and that and PFS ---living nitemare. BUT: ALSO, got this far (close calls tho).
-AND: Snowden etc didn't treat his bp... and I can go on, but still. Probably had BP depression and yrs of messing up so depression w that and adhd depression, and pfs depression (and 35 other things).
-There's a chance WB works and it doesn't mess me up. I doubt it would make PFS worse, I am sure it could help ADHD, and could help mood.
-I think it could also hurt mania and also hair loss.
-AND: EVEN if something works with no major side fx.... GUESS WHAT.... tons of yrs of suffering needlessly, for what?
-BUT can't look at it like that. -I'm trying all I can to not go on meds, but feel WB is far safer than Effexor, SNRI's, SSRI's, and AAP's, and of course Fin and Accutane.

-I just read the second part of your latest post, TonySoprano. That you beleive it contributed negatively towards sexual issues, caused by Fin.
-In that case, maybe not. What you did there is like what I did with cc post PSSD. AND possibly now with dex... BUT: I don't think it will ruin me.
-Otherwise, I mean realistically I'm fucked no matter what I do. I am doing well but... I don't think GOD or whoever cursed me this much, to have all those issues and no way out. I will not accept an average life, and ADHD has to be treated. AND bc of that or even if not, mood does too somehow.
-Everything depletes and is depleted by something. I'm glad you're fully committed I am sure things will continue to improve man.

 

[Minime]

@Minime fuck man. I didnt know even arl could fuck you up like this. you can consider tapering off if this continues. no use torturing ourselves even more.

@MNK99 currently I have no side effects from bupo ( 3 weeks in 150 mg SR twice a day). Just my experience and it can still go wrong since I am just at 3 weeks.

I’ve scaled back to taking the ARL sups once a day or once every other day. I’ll see how that goes. Sure wish I knew the mechanism behind this because this is insane what these sups do to me.

 

[MNK99]

If I took arl def I would use lower dosing schedule, to prevent excess detox rxns.
Tei, seems safer for me... And I think much is detoxed as per fasting 30 d and IF and ADF everyday since eating "my normal" again. Normal enuff just even stricter (diet).

 

[Minime]

If I took arl def I would use lower dosing schedule, to prevent excess detox rxns.
Tei, seems safer for me... And I think much is detoxed as per fasting 30 d and IF and ADF everyday since eating "my normal" again. Normal enuff just even stricter (diet).

I don’t think I’m having any traditional detox symptoms though.