ZINC FINGER THEORY DISCUSSION for PFS - 2 cases

[mattyb]

So, to answer my own question (assuming everyone with PSSD has alkalosis with volume depletion, not sure if that is the case):



So not very useful since the body won't retain it anyways. Also I think the potassium iodide in it won't matter since in a gram of the lo-salt is only 15% of the RDA.

I also tried acetazolamide last night, to see if that would help retain the minerals. I took it with ~2g KCl, ~1g NaCl, 400mg magnesium citrate, and 3900mg betaine HCl. I'm not sure if it would help after doing that one time, but the only thing I noticed was that I woke up feeling groggy and dehydrated, and my left hand is kinda tingly (common side effect of ace apparently). No effect yet on PSSD as far as I can tell. Maybe I'm not the best person to try this route.

Make sure to drink way more water than usual today.

You also aren't supposed to take massive doses of the electrolytes all at once. You have to sip on them slowly throughout the day, ideally dissolved in water. The one exception is the HCl, which you can have in 3-4 small doses.

 

[mattyb]

i am interested to know if this ups dopamine, or cortisol? Or adrenaline?



Still do not understand this concpt....

It's noradrenaline (norepinephrine). It increases during fasting and sleep deprivation short term. It raises metabolic rate.

I will start writing for my series on blood gases again, that way I can explain the ideas of volume expansion/contraction.

 

[barbaar]

Make sure to drink way more water than usual today.

You also aren't supposed to take massive doses of the electrolytes all at once. You have to sip on them slowly throughout the day, ideally dissolved in water. The one exception is the HCl, which you can have in 3-4 small doses.

Thanks, I've been drinking a good amount of water and feel fine now. Still got a little bit of tingling in my hand, but I'm not too worried about that since it's an expected side effect. I'll keep taking HCl with meals, and leave the ace alone for now.

 

[expendable]

I believe we should focus more on understanding why certain things give many pssd-people fully-cured windows, but dont stick. Too many things on the table now, with mixed results

I'm going to second this. Gbold talked about licorice root and ella mechanisms on PSSD on the last page, but I want to reiterate that I had a FULLY CURED WINDOW with the licorice root. Might as well spend all available energy trying to figure out why this happened. Shouldn't this be what we're doing? We have a literal exact mechanism of how to reverse this no? We have a start point- the effects of the licorice root, and we need to find our way to the end point, which is reversal of PSSD. It's a step-by-step cascade in the body that ends with PSSD and I would say even PFS reversal (the cured w/ licorice root cases on solvepfs I think). And it took only 3 days for the symptoms to go away (same as other licorice root cases), afterwards they came back over the course of, say, 3 days.

 

[Jaxx]

I'm going to second this. Gbold talked about licorice root and ella mechanisms on PSSD on the last page, but I want to reiterate that I had a FULLY CURED WINDOW with the licorice root. Might as well spend all available energy trying to figure out why this happened. Shouldn't this be what we're doing? We have a literal exact mechanism of how to reverse this no? We have a start point- the effects of the licorice root, and we need to find our way to the end point, which is reversal of PSSD. It's a step-by-step cascade in the body that ends with PSSD and I would say even PFS reversal (the cured w/ licorice root cases on solvepfs I think). And it took only 3 days for the symptoms to go away (same as other licorice root cases), afterwards they came back over the course of, say, 3 days.

Same applies for moclobemide (maoi) and saint johns wort. Many people had windows but almost none made it stick. We hardly understand what happened. (Desensitizing of receptor was named frequently, the whole mineral theory wasnt considered back then). Both work on serotonine, would this be specific for pssd or also apply to pfs for instance?

 

[Admiral]

I've had a blood test today. I think I got all the things covered that Gbol mentioned we should test, except the amino's. How vital is that, though? I can find an amino urine test, but it costs a fortune. If it's really a deal breaker I will go for it.

 

[K8668B]

My zinc supplement has made my hair thicker. i thought i had been noticing it myself, personally, in the last few days. and now two other people i know made notice of it too. its like its growing it back in certain areas. hairline seems the same though. ive been taking it for about a month i think now. with some days off in between.

i originally thought my face was thinning out.. not sure if it was or not... probably not. i asked a few close friends and they said my face looks the same as its always has. its definitely the hair..

thicker dark black hair.

wth.. lol.... i havent been expecting to grow my hair back, but this is interesting as hell!!

ive had some morning wood recently. semi-decent/good morning woods. libido/dick is definitely in an upswing. its been rather decent lately.

 

[MNK99]

That's awesome bro! @ K8668B

 

[Flynn]

My zinc supplement has made my hair thicker. i thought i had been noticing it myself, personally, in the last few days. and now two other people i know made notice of it too. its like its growing it back in certain areas. hairline seems the same though. ive been taking it for about a month i think now. with some days off in between.

i originally thought my face was thinning out.. not sure if it was or not... probably not. i asked a few close friends and they said my face looks the same as its always has. its definitely the hair..

thicker dark black hair.

wth.. lol.... i havent been expecting to grow my hair back, but this is interesting as hell!!

ive had some morning wood recently. semi-decent/good morning woods. libido/**** is definitely in an upswing. its been rather decent lately.

Are you pfs? PAS or post SSRI? Or neither? haha are you only supplementing zinc?

 

[K8668B]

I am PFS. And i am only supplementing Zinc. It has a tiny bit of copper in it too. along with that i practice a healthy lifestyle, and alot of things from cdsnuts protocol. i still cycle herbs for what its worth, but its definitely the zinc. i ordered histidine and cysteine, and im waiting for them to arrive.

 

[Canari]

I can find an amino urine test, but it costs a fortune.

Did you see the hair bulb test? In the lab topic... It also gives hormones...

 

[Canari]

It's noradrenaline (norepinephrine). It increases during fasting and sleep deprivation short term. It raises metabolic rate.

I will start writing for my series on blood gases again, that way I can explain the ideas of volume expansion/contraction.

It will be welcome! This of the volume... it is more or less hydration stuff?

Ok, noradrenaline... so it means we tend to sleep less to get the trigger for it, haha our inner wise.... I guess short term is fine but we can pay the bill if we do not kick our ass to bed!

 

[wuf]

So anyone understood the mistery of how to get out from ALKALOSIS?

 

[Goose12]

So anyone understood the mistery of how to get out from ALKALOSIS?

Pottassium chloride and magnesium taken with one serving of whey protien helped eliminate my remaining digestion issues and shallow breathing ( I assume from alkalosis). I tried taking just pottassium chloride and magnesium but it would upset my stomach a little after taking it and help a little with digestion the rest of the day, but wouldn't stick.

RU also helped get me out of alkalis and in the beginning wormwood helped get my bile flowing again.

 

[wuf]

Pottassium chloride and magnesium taken with one serving of whey protien helped eliminate my remaining digestion issues and shallow breathing ( I assume from alkalosis). I tried taking just pottassium chloride and magnesium but it would upset my stomach a little after taking it and help a little with digestion the rest of the day, but wouldn't stick.

RU also helped get me out of alkalis and in the beginning wormwood helped get my bile flowing again.

Out of alkalosis=get rid from PFS-PSSD etc?

 

[Goose12]

Out of alkalosis=get rid from PFS-PSSD etc?

I should add r andro in that list but right know I am perfectly healthy, I can eat and do anything I want, cfs is gone, hair even grew back from randro, personality is normal with even the worst sides of my self returning, and anxiety is gone. In some aspects I am better than before, but my labido is still lagging. It's like my body needs to just flip the switch.

My erections quality is almost perfect and easily maintainable. I would say I am out of alkalosis but need to let my hormones get back in complete balance. Labido always seems to be the last thing.

Before ru, randro, herbs, whey, and Pottassium chloride I had dark circles under my eyes, sunken in eyes, dry skin, ibs, impotent, hair loss, and liver pain. There was also a couple of times were had pain around my liver that made me fall to floor and start puking bile.

I may not be 100% out of alkalosis but I am pretty close.

 

[Nina]

i searched but there is not the one which tells what to use exactly.. i read our conversation on the thread and when i wrote the list, i always missed a part.
So i would need @gbolduev please to tell me again what is good for my case.
Thank you for your help Canari.

Dhea lowers potassium, tanks your axis. B6 (p5p), magnesium, zinc to increase it.

 

[wuf]

Dhea lowers potassium, tanks your axis. B6 (p5p), magnesium, zinc to increase it.

Oh Nina, thank you!... this is from you or you found what gbolduev wrote me?
So I could go for it, B6 - MAGNESIUM - ZINC
If @gbolduev have something to advise, stop me before I jump on this protocol please.
Thank you

 

[Nina]

Oh Nina, thank you!... this is from you or you found what gbolduev wrote me?
So I could go for it, B6 - MAGNESIUM - ZINC
If @gbolduev have something to advise, stop me before I jump on this protocol please.
Thank you

I got your point, but before this crash I still was a PFS suffer.

I will follow your suggest 30 zinc-30 b6- 500 nad- 400 magnesium - and little potassium.
You say my potassium in hair is low, but from the tests I posted it is not low, it seems to be perfect.

I still feel not good from this minerals route I just ran few days ago. Do you think I will recover soon?
[mention]gbolduev[/mention]

This is in your log. Mag/zinc/b6 raise potassium so i figured it out

 

[K8668B]

I should add r andro in that list but right know I am perfectly healthy, I can eat and do anything I want, cfs is gone, hair even grew back from randro, personality is normal with even the worst sides of my self returning, and anxiety is gone. In some aspects I am better than before, but my labido is still lagging. It's like my body needs to just flip the switch.

My erections quality is almost perfect and easily maintainable. I would say I am out of alkalosis but need to let my hormones get back in complete balance. Labido always seems to be the last thing.

Before ru, randro, herbs, whey, and Pottassium chloride I had dark circles under my eyes, sunken in eyes, dry skin, ibs, impotent, hair loss, and liver pain. There was also a couple of times were had pain around my liver that made me fall to floor and start puking bile.

I may not be 100% out of alkalosis but I am pretty close.

The Randro made your hair grow back?? I thought r andro did the opposite. thats interesting. Im happy to hear about your progress. im trying to get rid of the dark circles under my eyes too. on most days my energy is through the roof, so im good in that aspect too.