ZINC FINGER THEORY DISCUSSION for PFS - 2 cases

[wuf]

Can anyone post ACE supplement link, I don't understand at which one gbold is referring.
Thanks

 

[Steve]

there are a lot more complex diseases than imbalances caused by taking hormones and drugs. Some people have diseases from birth. LIke most POIS people have. Those people never took the drug to unbalance them, they were born with it. So that is a mutation. and to fix that mutation , then you need years of proper balancing, or you have to find a stilt to support your imbalance.


Also no matter what studies tell you about PFS you should understand that neurosteroids are either HIGH or LOW in PFS. we have 2 cases here. Both high and low allopregnenolone causes similar but a little bit different symptoms. This is why you see high DHT , high testosterone cases vs low DHT and low testosterone case. This is why Melcangi and all other people talk about mysterious 5 ar 1 in the brain etc. It is not about that. it is about high and low ALLO.

This is why r andro helps some people. and makes others worse since andro inhibits NADPH.

If you have potassium deficiency and alkalosis progesterone simply does not want to be converted into neurosteroids. Thus you need to fix that potassium and chloride deficiencies and amino acids deficiency and it will goes away,

Very simple you are missing amino acids, CORTISOL is raised, you are missing potassium progesterone is raised. you give both of these , then body can use NAPDH to convert them to its metabolites, and this will increase your 5 alpha reductase and you will have zero problems.


But in case number 2 , this will be bad. In case number 2 you need to lower NAPDH. and give your body more progesterone

Thanks gbol, great summary.

One question. Which electrolytes exactly? Can you name them for us for completeness i.e. potassium chloride, magnesium chloride and sodium chloride?

 

[Kiwiii]

Will this also cure anxiety, depression feelings ?

 

[wuf]

there are a lot more complex diseases than imbalances caused by taking hormones and drugs. Some people have diseases from birth. LIke most POIS people have. Those people never took the drug to unbalance them, they were born with it. So that is a mutation. and to fix that mutation , then you need years of proper balancing, or you have to find a stilt to support your imbalance.
Also no matter what studies tell you about PFS you should understand that neurosteroids are either HIGH or LOW in PFS. we have 2 cases here. Both high and low allopregnenolone causes similar but a little bit different symptoms. This is why you see high DHT , high testosterone cases vs low DHT and low testosterone case. This is why Melcangi and all other people talk about mysterious 5 ar 1 in the brain etc. It is not about that. it is about high and low ALLO.
This is why r andro helps some people. and makes others worse since andro inhibits NADPH.
If you have potassium deficiency and alkalosis progesterone simply does not want to be converted into neurosteroids. Thus you need to fix that potassium and chloride deficiencies and amino acids deficiency and it will goes away,
Very simple you are missing amino acids, CORTISOL is raised, you are missing potassium progesterone is raised. you give both of these , then body can use NAPDH to convert them to its metabolites, and this will increase your 5 alpha reductase and you will have zero problems.
But in case number 2 , this will be bad. In case number 2 you need to lower NAPDH. and give your body more progesterone

Could you please tell me if I am case 1 or 2 so I can understand how to move from what you said in this post, thanks?

1) I have middle/"low" cortisol (saliva test).
2) Low progesterone (blood test).
3) DHT in low range
4) Testosterone in normal range

 

[barbaar]

Can anyone post ACE supplement link, I don't understand at which one gbold is referring.
Thanks

Acetazolamide. Should be in the sources section

 

[Slayo]

Guys. It will be impossible to look into everyone's case here and give advice. I took one person and fixed him. He seems to be fixed for a long time already. this is to show you that this is not permanent and it is fixable. this is a simple imbalance. My advice to you , instead of experimenting yourself. Just follow ARL program for 2-3 months. After that time you can quit the program. I see many different cases here and to go thru case by case and you buying random supplements will run you a lot more expensive than to follow ARL.

I get upset when people take wrong supplement, and I dont blame you. You simply dont' know. But I cant balance people case by case. it is impossible.

If I were you I would follow the advice of the balancing company.
It would be much much better than you taking totally random supplements. If ARL is wrong in 20% cases. You are wrong in 80%. Fixing one thing and making another major problem in another part of your system.

I wrote a a simple system to try to fix this universally. It is basically electrolytes plus protein. plus some organic mineral supplement . CDnuts protocol implemenents a lot of it. But unfortunately , it does nothing to fix alkalsosis. Thus all that stuff takes so very long. like years. cant blame him he does not know what worked for him , that is why you have to rotate everything that he took.

MattyB and I we outlined the way to fix alklalosis. It is quite simple.
use protein ( could be whey powder or essential aminos) plus electrolytes. Chlroide and electrolytes are the most important thing. Without them you cant get rid of alkalosis.

It is very easy for someone who has basic understanding of what to do here. but most people here have no clue, thus I recommend to you . Go follow ARL initial program . and then quit it and just eat healthy. But ARL will fix your alkalosis state. in a month since it is the most simple imbalance.

You said you were ARL consultant, so why we can't hire you to balance us PAYING for your work ? I would happily do it, i know you said there are two cases here, but i also think there are people that are much more difficult to balance than others, like me, i don't responsd to anything, and i tried so many supplements you can't believe, never had any good or bad reaction, and i have also mold toxicity and heavy metals toxicity, and i was sick pre-pfs too, so i'm interested in regaining my whole health, not just getting rid of pfs, you can save us so much time and money, so if we pay you to be our consultant are you willing to help us ?

 

[Helen]

You said you were ARL consultant, so why we can't hire you to balance us PAYING for your work ? I would happily do it, i know you said there are two cases here, but i also think there are people that are much more difficult to balance than others, like me, i don't responsd to anything, and i tried so many supplements you can't believe, never had any good or bad reaction, and i have also mold toxicity and heavy metals toxicity, and i was sick pre-pfs too, so i'm interested in regaining my whole health, not just getting rid of pfs, you can save us so much time and money, so if we pay you to be our consultant are you willing to help us ?

I am not an ARL consultant. LOL I am a hedge fund manager. I run a serious business. And I make money trading stocks , not balancing people. This whole health medicine thing is just a hobby. I don't balance people. I simply don't have time for it.

This is why I post here when I have free time, and I have very little free time. You could hire any practitioner from ARL to help you . the computer balances you , not the person.

Trust me computer will take care of most of your problems within 3-6 months. But then you have to quit and eat normally, since ARL does have long term mistakes.

When you give hair to ARL, practitioner gets computer recs. Practitioner himself knows nothing. So dont even ask them anything. They are clueless. They are just taught how to support a person during detox situations and reactions on the program. So it does not matter which practitioner you get , since it is the computer who makes the program, not the practitioner

 

[Aleksandr]

You said you were ARL consultant, so why we can't hire you to balance us PAYING for your work ? I would happily do it, i know you said there are two cases here, but i also think there are people that are much more difficult to balance than others, like me, i don't responsd to anything, and i tried so many supplements you can't believe, never had any good or bad reaction, and i have also mold toxicity and heavy metals toxicity, and i was sick pre-pfs too, so i'm interested in regaining my whole health, not just getting rid of pfs, you can save us so much time and money, so if we pay you to be our consultant are you willing to help us ?

Another option get a hairtest and do what im doing is just follow this diagram from ARL: Mineral Interaction Chart - how to treat ALL imbalances with minerals

I have low calcium magnesium and potassium, with high sodium. So im supplementing zinc and magnesium... according to that chart.

I also used cronometer to work out a diet where i get all my RDIs.

Its been 4 months or so now since my last retest. I plan to retest in another month.

My energy is feeling much much better. Before it felt hyper then with massive crashes. Now i feel slower but also steadier with consistent energy. .. seems to be going good. No hair regrowth though.

 

[Nina]

I am not an ARL consultant. LOL I am a hedge fund manager. I run a serious business. And I make money trading stocks , not balancing people. This whole health medicine thing is just a hobby. I don't balance people. I simply don't have time for it.

This is why I post here when I have free time, and I have very little free time. You could hire any practitioner from ARL to help you . the computer balances you , not the person.

Trust me computer will take care of most of your problems within 3-6 months. But then you have to quit and eat normally, since ARL does have long term mistakes.

Funny that you keep ignoring people commenting serious solutions so you dont have to spend ANY time on this forum anymore and instead you go on and on and on about irrelevant stuff. You are the one making it hard on yourself and making yourself spend an excessive amount of time online.

Just post your thoughts and ideas and how to cure them and be done with it. If it doesnt work for someone they should go to ARL.

 

[Helen]

Funny that you keep ignoring people commenting serious solutions so you dont have to spend ANY time on this forum anymore and instead you go on and on and on about irrelevant stuff. You are the one making it hard on yourself and making yourself spend an excessive amount of time online.

Just post your thoughts and ideas and how to cure them and be done with it. If it doesnt work for someone they should go to ARL.

I posted all the ideas, you can read them all in this thread, Q an A questions, and so forth. People are asking to balance them personally. All the solutions were already outlined 20 times.

I am not making it hard on myself. I simply wont post here anymore and that would be it. I posted everything I thought about these conditions. I posted protocols for slow and fast oxidizers. I posted protocols for RU ella, dexa progesterone.
How many times I can just repeat myself. I posted everything about fasting.

I posted how to get out of alkalosis 5 times already. I just keep repeating myself.

I look at tests of people with PSSD, PFS , CFS, they are all different. I'm not going to be posting here 101 case of different imbalances. Go balance yourself with ARL. They have a computer that does that. I outlined simple means what to do in slow or fast oxidation. And have like 50 pages about all this


there is thread of summary of possible treatments Summary of PFS, PSSD & Post Accutane Experimental Treatments (as of 12/16)

Everything is outlined million times already.


What I am saying that everyone is different, from what I see on the blood work. So the same treatment will not work for everyone. And people will need personal balancing.

I am not supposed to come up with any protocols at all. What I was preaching to people is for them to learn their body chemistry and get balanced according to their imbalance.
It does not mean, I will be doing the balancing. I aint a doctor , or willing to balance people. I spent already a lot of time explaining it.

I took one person from here and fixed him. couple of more people used my recs and fixed themselves. Those people can share their experiences with people here, but it is not going to be who is taking case by case in a forum. That is just not feasible.

If I fixed it , then ARL would fix it. This is what I am saying.

 

[Canari]

It is not what you said before. You said there are more subcases than the 4 in each type. You said you wanted to make a program that was better, and told us to not trust the ones from the labs. It is no time lost if you have a computer program that does it all!

Then, you put it all in the forum, that is right, but when somebody says he is goiing to do the protocol, you say stop this is theory. Also, you give no clue about WHO fits in WHICH case. It is all mixed up in the forum. You answer by repeating, and ignore the constructive questions that go forward or want to understand. So some people intent any protocol, post what they are going to do, so that you can tell them "no do not do this".

We do not even need personal treatment, just understand what it is about so that we can CHOOSE.

 

[Canari]

I remember the same when I was learning riding horses. I had no advise, because they were loosing time shouting at the ones who did it bad.

What did I do? I made it bad and upset the horse.... then YES they told me what to not do, and eventually what to do. I was disgusted because I had to upset the horse to obtain what I needed....

 

[Canari]

So what you’re saying is everyone should just go to ARL? Then what is the point of this forum. People here are desperate to get better and get their life back. Ofcourse they will ask u a million questions if you come here and say u know how to balance everything and you know everything lol.

Exactly what I have been shouting about in the subforum topic, to re-organize the forum so that we can find the informations, and that we can stop repeating questions, with clear titles and no derailing threads....

So I mean it is not all about gbolduev... Most people are so tired that they do not want to make the effort to change topic and find the right one to post. I can understand it, but if we make the forum cleaner, and clearer, then it will be easier.

 

[Helen]

So what you’re saying is everyone should just go to ARL? Then what is the point of this forum. People here are desperate to get better and get their life back. Ofcourse they will ask u a million questions if you come here and say u know how to balance everything and you know everything lol. You cant come here say you know how to fix all of us and then not do it.

I dont quite understand you . This forum is not about me. If you think you can create a forum and I will be balancing people here, you are wrong. This is PFS thread, I have no idea what you and Canari are doing here. This is POST FINASTERIDE THREAD. And I am not dealing with any other disorder now.

For POST Finasteride, I outlined the treatments . And also I said you can go and get balanced with ARL.

If you dont need this forum Then don't be here. It is up to you.


It is quite ridiculous for you to pressure me into giving you advice? LOL are you kidding me?

 

[Helen]

I think if everyone got a hairtest done, made a log and gbolduev posted what he/she should do (diet, supplements, exercise) we would have been done by now instead of discussing things that seem to go nowhere. It would take way less time and effort to do that.

that is called balancing people. there is a computer for that. You think it is this easy to look at hairtest and see the imbalance? I look at 3 compartments for my balancing, blood , gases and hair. this is why I dont balance anyone. I posted this many times, and I never said I will be balancing people here.

 

[Nina]

that is called balancing people. there is a computer for that. You think it is this easy to look at hairtest and see the imbalance? I look at 3 compartments for my balancing, blood , gases and hair. this is why I dont balance anyone. I posted this many times, and I never said I will be balancing people here.

Then what are you doing exactly? Because then it wont be helping anyone and we will still be guessing and trying 100 supplements. Possibly screwing ourselves over even more by taking the wrong stuff. Not everyone is able to afford all of those tests.

 

[Nina]

Anyway, i made my point and i am done discussing now.

 

[Slayo]

I posted all the ideas, you can read them all in this thread, Q an A questions, and so forth. People are asking to balance them personally. All the solutions were already outlined 20 times.

I am not making it hard on myself. I simply wont post here anymore and that would be it. I posted everything I thought about these conditions. I posted protocols for slow and fast oxidizers. I posted protocols for RU ella, dexa progesterone.
How many times I can just repeat myself. I posted everything about fasting.

I posted how to get out of alkalosis 5 times already. I just keep repeating myself.

I look at tests of people with PSSD, PFS , CFS, they are all different. I'm not going to be posting here 101 case of different imbalances. Go balance yourself with ARL. They have a computer that does that. I outlined simple means what to do in slow or fast oxidation. And have like 50 pages about all this


there is thread of summary of possible treatments Summary of PFS, PSSD & Post Accutane Experimental Treatments (as of 12/16)

Everything is outlined million times already.


What I am saying that everyone is different, from what I see on the blood work. So the same treatment will not work for everyone. And people will need personal balancing.

I remeber to have read you saying you were ARL practitioner in the past, but maybe i remember bad.


Gbold, there are people like me, that with pfs got extreme bone loss, somenthing that you can see with naked eyes, not even necessary to run scans like dexa to see it. I don't have a chin anymore and my jaw is much more reduced (and it is bone loss, i lost all the subcutaneus fat and it looks different), i have posted the picture of my face change in a pfs forum, and like me many other people got this sides effect, not to mention the drastic changes of the penis (fibrosis, soft gland, dark veins, loss of soft tissue), i'm telling all this because i assume for these people it would be much more difficult to get balanced and maybe the basic arl programm isn't able to complelty help these people.
To add other things, i also developed severe stomach issues, i'm not able to eat more than 1500 calories (frequently i can eat even less) a day (and from specific foods, other foods harder on the stomach like butter i can't even eat a tiny bit of them), and digestive enzymes just irritate my stomach even more exacerbaiting nausea and the non existent appetite.
So how can those people get balanced with the same protocoll of the people with less severe sides ?

 

[Shanks]

Gbolduev is right. The only problem here is overview of the possible solutions. We need a thread where we get a overview with all solutions, protocols etc.

 

[Shanks]

In this threads for example 90 % of the replies are heal me fix me lol and all the important information is going under...