Stupidfreak PFS Log

[stupidfreak]

Hello again.Thanks for all the support in the last thread i made.Speaking with people here and reading their storys has convinced me that i need to try to recover first.

Backstory(again)-23,1 week of using propecia.Noticed some libido and ejaculate drop while on drug and cold turkey'd.After stopping my libido returned,had amazing time,but two weeks later,one day my balls started to hurt after sex.Overnight i became impotent.Now its been 1 month of hell for me and im at my lifes lowest.

My side effects
Complere impotence(watery dick,respondes to nothing,not even 1% erection at all times)
0 libido
No orgasms,cant cum
Moderate Insomnia
Severe Anxiety
Depression
Fatigue
Loss of motivation to do anything in life
Testicle pain(now its light for some days)

Honestly,i dont look to solve any of my mental side effects,since i belive they will be mostly gone when i have my potency back.As for fatigue and insomnia,i can totaly live with that without a single doubt.Also sexually wise its the worsr sides i seen(maybe im wrong,but it doesnt get worse than that)

Right now im willing to take anything.Except for cdnuts protocol.I dont trust cdnuts(and him as a person) protocol nor do i have YEARS of time to recover.My situation is complicated since i have limited resources and i lost all ability to work.

I was looking into starting fasting and ella/ru.If you could tell me how much it would cost i would love that.

I also am looking into trt,but heard that its the last resort and could worsen my situation.Is that correct?

If i dont get my sex life back im as good as dead.Do i have any chances,and if yes,how much it would take?Again,i dont have years.Maybe a year or two at max.

Will post blood tests results when they will be done.Will start logs once i get my hands on meds.

P.s im not very educated on this whole thing,but ill try what i can

 

[MNK99]

Glad to see you're trying man! There's always hope. I paid $153.09 CDN for 3 ellaone. This is 99.20 british pounds.
6875.44 ₽.
Convert it online, google it.

 

[joekool]

As @MNK99 said, glad you're trying...

The resetting of receptors via a fast is a great first step...

I saw results from R-Andro almost immediately too... many have... it's expensive tho... converts to DHT so it's a hormonal route , FYI...

iodine helps the thyroid which we know is messed up from FIN... You should see some energy return with a couple drops a day.

Instead of TRT, you would ask for Proviron which is DHT and could help you... nearly impossible to get though, which is why we use R-Andro...

Want to message me on why you don't trust the other member here?

 

[stupidfreak]

As @MNK99 said, glad you're trying...

The resetting of receptors via a fast is a great first step...

I saw results from R-Andro almost immediately too... many have... it's expensive tho... converts to DHT so it's a hormonal route , FYI...

iodine helps the thyroid which we know is messed up from FIN... You should see some energy return with a couple drops a day.

Instead of TRT, you would ask for Proviron which is DHT and could help you... nearly impossible to get though, which is why we use R-Andro...

Want to message me on why you don't trust the other member here?

Proviron is freely sold in ukraine.So maybe theres some ways

Also i cant pm you

 

[Canari]

Honestly,i dont look to solve any of my mental side effects,since i belive they will be mostly gone when i have my potency back.As for anxiety and insomnia,i can totaly live with that without a single doubt.

I keep saying that this is not mental at all, it is not in the head, it is about an organ that is touched as any organ can be, the nervous system. As the autonomic nervous system is the one that gives orders to send hormones into the blood, this is crucial.
You thought will change indeed when you will be cured, but it does not mean that the nerves do not keep any trace of the story, and actually they do. Please do not dismiss part of the puzzle. Also, it is free!

 

[joekool]

I forgot to mention I used a prolactin antagonist (dopamine agonist) late last summer. I prefer pramipexole and you can google it. A side effect of high prolactin is no libido and also, you may relate, to a 'floppy boner'... where it doesn't feel attached or like it's going to snap off... obviously it's not going to snap off, but it just has this weird feeling.. that was high prolactin. Check into anti-prolactin because it seems, once it's high, estrogen remains high and the cycle stays... a side affect of too low prolactin is urge to gamble...

if you can get proviron, let me know... that will help you if we can get your receptors back to receptive to DHT again...

 

[TubZy]

Proviron is freely sold in ukraine.So maybe theres some ways

Also i cant pm you

Hey man, see my signature about the PM issue. There is a link to thread of how to fix to it.

@joekool make sure you check your setting as well if he can't send you a PM.

 

[Ivy]

I'm very glad you decided against your initial thoughts. Before you try any self-medication, though, read and ponder. You'll have to choose one route and stick with it, rather than jump from protocol to protocol. Fasting is tough, but cheap and apparently effective. And later, the refeeding is key. Check out Orion's log, maybe. Fingerscrossed for ya

 

[stupidfreak]

Yeah thanks all.

Recently ive being thinking that our problem is connected to either hypothalamus(ive got all the sides of that,from sex life to no hunger) or dna that is messed up so we developed androgen insensitivity.Seems really bad.Also ive being looking into chemical castration and it acts pretty much the same.Meds affecting hypothalamus.Will need to look more into that,if its reversible or not.

If our dna is fucked(finasteride affects 5ar wich is located in chromosomes) than it seems irreversible.But people recovered,not a lot but some.Possibly they didnt have crash(i.e fin was not the problem?)

A lot of stuff to think about it.

Im going to try and recover anyway

 

[MNK99]

Good for you bro. Finally got through to you. Haha. Never ever ever give up!

 

[Canari]

read and ponder. You'll have to choose one route and stick with it, rather than jump from protocol to protocol.

I read a story.... mostly saying that if you try to dig many holes and complain you do not reach the water table for making your water-well.... you would have been better digging only one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[joekool]

Let us know what you’re starting. Keep us posted.

@Niles is another new user beginning a recovery plan. Everyone should keep each other updated with progress and support.

 

[Niles]

Hey man, welcome to the club. It's good to see a fellow new member committed to full recovery; PFS is persistent, so we just have to be more so! And this community's support/advice is invaluable. I try to keep in mind that while there may not seem to be too many recovery stories, there are many members of this forum who have made great progress and improved baselines, and I read about more improvements here every day. I'm in the midst of an upswing at the moment with an R-Andro cycle, but I'm doing my best to prepare mentally for the ups and downs ahead. To remain positive, I've kept a detailed daily log of my symptoms, state of mind, and optimism for recovery. When you're having a rough day, you can go back and look at your good days to remember that this condition is not permanent.

If you're fortunate enough to have a decent starting weight, I would definitely take the others' advice an start a fast, as this seems to be a common factor in many members' improvements. Then I would take a look at the other treatment options in TubZy's sig. Oh, and one extremely important piece of advice I wish I would have gotten 9 months ago when I first crashed: make genital blood flow a priority! Even if libido is dead and erections are impossible, there are measures you can take to mitigate this. 2.5 - 5mg tadalafil EOD, daily beet juicing, pine pollen megadose before bed, arginine/citrulline, and regular bathmate usage can help keep your tissues healthy and elastic down there.

Best of luck, and keep us posted! Just a week ago my mind was constantly in a state of anxiety/depression, I couldn't leave my apartment, and I could barely see the light at the end of the tunnel. After reading over members' experimental treatments and improvements here, I was given hope - then I painstakingly planned out my own treatment plan, down to every mg of supplements, every calorie of food, and every minute of exercise, and after having stuck to it for a few days I feel I really do have some agency in this. We all do.

 

[IHateFin]

I dont know how much i buy into dna being fucked up. if finasteride can cure post accutain then it seems something is disrupted and something needs to be changed in order to make the endocrine system function properly again.

the basics behind PFS which Gbolduev has outlined is that finasteride puts us in a high cortisol, low 5 alpha reductase and high progesterone state which lowers estrogen too and increases free testosterone. this is a state that none of us should ever be in and once in the body will not be able to regulate since it will be an endless loop. 5AR must increase to lower cortisol, but cant since progesterone must first decrease since progesterone lowers 5AR, but cant with the high cortisol and thus we are stuck. 5 alpha reductase breaks cortisol down into weaker inactive metabolites. on top of all this horrbile shit with 5 AR being low we lose many nuerosteroids that are responsible for mood and libido and modulating GABA. GABA modulation is also closely linked to dopamine sensitivity which is linked to the libido and motivation so with GABA fucked so is dopamine and all of the motivation that comes with it. on top of that with down regulation of androgen receptors in the brain you are also left with a low alpha and agression and especially low confidence.

point is its all a big loop that will go on and on and on forever if you dont do something about it now. everything works based on something else in the body so its hard to figure out where to start. many of us see releif from different things due to this, but since most of the same mechanics are at play with progesterone being the start of this whole shit storm its usually a safe bet to start there which is why RU and ella are proposed.

im glad proviron is an easily accessible drug in your area, but DHT or any androgen is NOT the place you want to start which is why TRT is garbage for us and does not work. you are not going to be receptive to androgens in your state and will only cause further downregulation with its use due to negative feedback mechanisms being actiavted and basically being wrongly calibrated at the moment.

the first step is to tackle the progesterone situation. progesterone issues is the number 1 reason for sexual dysfuction and since finasteride is a drug that is actually derrived from progesterone that where you must start.

if i were you, and i have been in your EXACT shoes before, i would get your progesterone checked and get some RU and or ella asap. links on where to buy it are here.

if you are as desperate as you seem you literally have not a damn thing to lose. youre already at rock bottom and you can only go up from here.... get to ordering bro and lets see some boners in the next coming months!

you may take years to be cured but if in 4 weeks you feel 50% better im sure you will be able to live and at least enjoy life. im not 100% but by god does it feel good to be where i am and now the rest of my recovery is easy and smooth sailing and we have some of the best dudes on this site who have some amazing insight to a lot of shit. this site is like no other man.

pick something and buy it now to get your recovery started, man please.

 

[stupidfreak]

Hey guys,update to my status.

When i came here i felt that i was completely impotent,but im happy to say that im not.I can acheive erections,though they vary drastically from weak ones to pre fin ones.Sometimes hard to maintain,but i can masturbate,and my orgasms seem okay-ish.Soft nocturnal and morning woods,so it seems like my penis can work.

Still have no libido whatsoever,i get like 10% drive when jerking sometimes.No connection between penis and brain,can achieve erections only through physical stimulatuon.

Just finished fasting(my improvements started before that) with no little to no benefiets.Starting my keto low carb diet similar to Chi's one(you can look it up on cdnuts corner in recoveries thread)

Edit:Cant forget to thank you guys for your positivity and helpfulness on this forum,im glad i found it.I can only hope that we all recover from that hell eventually

 

[MNK99]

Good stuff man. Remember the fast is just to cleanse and put us in a better position to heal. It may take longer fasts to have benefits mentally... and such. If your main concern is sexual side effects, then keep in mind you will see better improvements with the next phases of your plan. I'm really proud of you man. Congrats on the fast!

 

[joekool]

I'm very happy you've experienced some benefits... prepare yourself for a longer road but personally, I've seen more results in 3 months here than 8 or so prior ... give or take as I can't believe it's Feb 2018 already

But I was just remembering prolactin side affects. One issue I had was a 'floppy' boner, like it was going to snap off... and I didn't realize I haven't had such a feeling in quite a while... well, that's a sign of high prolactin... research some high prolactin side effects to see if any hit you... you may want to add in a dopamine agonist / prolactin antagonist as I can wholeheartedly say it helped me

 

[TubZy]

Hey guys,update to my status.

When i came here i felt that i was completely impotent,but im happy to say that im not.I can acheive erections,though they vary drastically from weak ones to pre fin ones.Sometimes hard to maintain,but i can masturbate,and my orgasms seem okay-ish.Soft nocturnal and morning woods,so it seems like my penis can work.

Still have no libido whatsoever,i get like 10% drive when jerking sometimes.No connection between penis and brain,can achieve erections only through physical stimulatuon.

Just finished fasting(my improvements started before that) with no little to no benefiets.Starting my keto low carb diet similar to Chi's one(you can look it up on cdnuts corner in recoveries thread)

Edit:Cant forget to thank you guys for your positivity and helpfulness on this forum,im glad i found it.I can only hope that we all recover from that hell eventually

Whatever it takes dude, any improvement even if it is small is good

 

[stupidfreak]

Well,the update was unnececary...

Im back to my original crash state.Zero libido end erections,no wood.Zombie-like state,insomnia,brain fog and general decrease in cognitive abilities.

Whats worse is that my life dictates me that i have to recover soon or there will be little to no point in it.Ill spare you the details but thats how it is.

I got out of my home today and got nearly hit by a car(because im so fucked up i didnt notice) and felt nothing.No shock,no fear,no emotion.Maybe it would have been better if i really got hit,who knows.

I have to get at least 40% recovered in 6 months or it will be useless.Or at least get to a state where it will be bearable to work and do basic home stuff.

@IHateFin @TubZy @joekool @bruschi11 @Goose12 @mattyb i will really need your help guys

Im waiting on my blood results.Please tell me what is my best course after results.

As i understand zinc finger didnt really work out?And electrolyte is still in testing?

 

[bruschi11]

Not true. Zinc finger/ electrolyte they really coincide with one another. They work- it’s just very intiricate and their will not be a “one way out”. Will take tinkering with different amounts of supps etc. lot to it, but this definitely works.