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Blue88

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TubZy said:
Just wanted to give an update. I basically have been doing the Protocol & Guide for Improved Health over the past week. It was easy for me since I already had most of the stuff from zinc finger protocol so decided to give it a try.

I'm pretty much following the exact protocol. I started off taking 8 capsules of betaine HCL per meal (with whey protein), 500mg potassium chloride/mag chloride, 1 capsule platinum EAA (or really any EAA should work), 2 tablets of biozyme.

I actually felt effects from the first day but after the third day I had to bump it down because my stomach was starting to get super warm a bit from the HCL. I basically just kept tapering it down every few days until I landed of about 4 capsules right now with each meal and my stomach feels fine now consistently.

My skin/hair and libido and everything feels great on this so far, I actually can handle gelatin now too, which I couldn't in the past, I would get a headache and libido would drop/stomach bloated. My sleep is super deep now too. The only thing I'm missing is a multi, I tried adding in a shitty generic multi vitamin and I felt a bit worse on it so I stopped it and the next day I felt very good again. @gbolduev says to use a whole foods one, so I will add that in when I get it.

I want to emphasize that taking everything together is needed. For example, I forgot to take electrolytes one day with it and I felt completely different (temps went down, felt cold etc.) so if you try it please take everything together at the same time. I'm doing it with each meal.

Just like others you have tried it so far I had some water retention left and this completely fixed it which is why I assume my skin looks great again. I would highly suggest try this, it is super easy and cheap, covers many areas too (e.g protein deficiency).

So to recap, this is what I take with each high protein meal (usually whey protein or egg whites):
  • 4 capsules betaine HCL (using bulk powder supplement and capping them myself, but looking to switch to quantum capsules or Dr. Clark's since they have no stearates)
  • 2 tablets digestive enzymes (biozyme)
  • 500mg potassium chloride (NOW powder)
  • 500mg mag chloride
  • 1 capsule platinum EAA (or any EAA supplement)
Planning to add in whole food multi (nutriplex). If it feel like crap on it, I will just continue without it.

For me the only difference in this protocol compared to zinc finger is the higher dose betaine HCL ( I only used 500mg on zinc finger), the addition of digestive enzymes directly (biozyme), and taking out histidine/cysteine directly and using a full EAA supplement instead. It feels like zinc finger but just better.
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Good work, Tubz. Would you be able to supply links to the supplements you're using, please?
 
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Blue88 said:
Good work, Tubz. Would you be able to supply links to the supplements you're using, please?
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Sure. You don't have to use these same brands or anything, just what I used. For example, NOW makes an essential amino acid powder as well on amazon which is seems good instead of using the platinum one.

Betaine HCL (capping myself into 000 gelatin capsules)
https://www.amazon.com/BulkSuppleme...-1-spell&keywords=betaine+hcl+bulk+supplemeny

or

for already made capsules (with no fillers) which I'm going to switch too when I run out, since capping is getting tedious

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0014Z190U/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AP3XEL6SLQA6B&psc=1

Digestive enzymes (biozyme)
https://www.amazon.com/Integrative-...e=UTF8&qid=1517899668&sr=1-2&keywords=biozyme

Potassium chloride
https://www.amazon.com/Now-Foods-Po...899707&sr=1-2&keywords=now+potassium+chloride

Magnesium chloride
https://www.amazon.com/Magnesium-Ph...736&sr=1-1&keywords=magnesium+chloride+powder

Platinum essential amino acid
Platinum Plus Amino Acids


You don't have to use these same brands or anything, just what I used. For example, NOW makes an essential amino acid powder as well on amazon which is seems good instead of using the platinum one.
https://www.amazon.com/Sports-Amino...899&sr=8-3&keywords=now+essential+amino+acids
 
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How would you position this protocol compared to the zinc finger? You have tried both if im correct?
 
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TubZy said:
Sure. You don't have to use these same brands or anything, just what I used. For example, NOW makes an essential amino acid powder as well on amazon which is seems good instead of using the platinum one.

Betaine HCL (capping myself into 000 gelatin capsules)
https://www.amazon.com/BulkSuppleme...-1-spell&keywords=betaine+hcl+bulk+supplemeny

or

for already made capsules (with no fillers) which I'm going to switch too when I run out, since capping is getting tedious

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0014Z190U/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AP3XEL6SLQA6B&psc=1

Digestive enzymes (biozyme)
https://www.amazon.com/Integrative-...e=UTF8&qid=1517899668&sr=1-2&keywords=biozyme

Potassium chloride
https://www.amazon.com/Now-Foods-Po...899707&sr=1-2&keywords=now+potassium+chloride

Magnesium chloride
https://www.amazon.com/Magnesium-Ph...736&sr=1-1&keywords=magnesium+chloride+powder

Platinum essential amino acid
Platinum Plus Amino Acids


You don't have to use these same brands or anything, just what I used. For example, NOW makes an essential amino acid powder as well on amazon which is seems good instead of using the platinum one.
https://www.amazon.com/Sports-Amino...899&sr=8-3&keywords=now+essential+amino+acids
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Are you doing extra selenium as well?
 
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guys you can experiment with it and see what protein makes you feel better. I gave you choices in the protocol. Eggs or whey , or platinum , it depends on you.
 
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Jaxx said:
How would you position this protocol compared to the zinc finger? You have tried both if im correct?
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Yes, I actually tried this because I already had like majority of the stuff for it. The biggest difference for me was the water retention and skin. My sensitivity is up too and the cysteine when I used zinc finger dried my skin out a bit, not on this.

I think @Goose12 mentioned it earlier but he also said whey and potassium chloride fixed his bags under eyes.
 
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TubZy said:
Not right now, I wanted to add the whole food multi in first and see how I feel, then add the selenium in last. Have you tried the selenium?
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I am using regular selenium(400mcg) some days, plan to order sodium selenite in future, to test with.
 
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How much HCl-Betaine does one capsule contain?

Is it recommended to take it as capsule or can u solve the powder and just drink it? I guess its not the best for the teeth?
 
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Thanks for sharing. How would this protocol work for androgenic hair loss @gbolduev



TubZy said:
Yes, meant to say platinum or NOW foods EAA arent required, if you are taking in whey/egg whites. Supplementing directly with EAAs are just an easier way to get more aminos in.
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Shanks said:
How much HCl-Betaine does one capsule contain?

Is it recommended to take it as capsule or can u solve the powder and just drink it? I guess its not the best for the teeth?
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I'm capping them myself in the biggest capsule size (size 000) which equates to about ~850mg of Betaine HCL per capsule. However I think the standard size (size 00) can only hold like 500-550mg of betaine HCL. I'm actually planning to switch to pre-made capsules with no stearates in it.

Yeah it can be rough on the teeth if drank straight, need to use straw. I found no difference though when drank straight versus capping them myself. However when I tried other brands that contain stearates and fillers the effect is not as good.
 
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TubZy said:
Just wanted to give an update. I basically have been doing the Protocol & Guide for Improved Health over the past week. It was easy for me since I already had most of the stuff from zinc finger protocol so decided to give it a try.

I'm pretty much following the exact protocol. I started off taking 8 capsules of betaine HCL per meal (with whey protein), 500mg potassium chloride/mag chloride, 1 capsule platinum EAA (or really any EAA should work), 2 tablets of biozyme.

I actually felt effects from the first day but after the third day I had to bump it down because my stomach was starting to get super warm a bit from the HCL. I basically just kept tapering it down every few days until I landed of about 4 capsules right now with each meal and my stomach feels fine now consistently.

My skin/hair and libido and everything feels great on this so far, I actually can handle gelatin now too, which I couldn't in the past, I would get a headache and libido would drop/stomach bloated. My sleep is super deep now too. The only thing I'm missing is a multi, I tried adding in a shitty generic multi vitamin and I felt a bit worse on it so I stopped it and the next day I felt very good again. @gbolduev says to use a whole foods one, so I will add that in when I get it.

I want to emphasize that taking everything together is needed. For example, I forgot to take electrolytes one day with it and I felt completely different (temps went down, felt cold etc.) so if you try it please take everything together at the same time. I'm doing it with each meal.

Just like others that have tried it so far I had some water retention left and this completely fixed it which is why I assume my skin looks great again. I would highly suggest try this, it is super easy and cheap, covers many areas too (e.g protein deficiency).

So to recap, this is what I take with each high protein meal (usually whey protein or egg whites):
  • 4 capsules betaine HCL (using bulk powder supplement and capping them myself, but looking to switch to quantum capsules or Dr. Clark's since they have no stearates)
  • 2 tablets digestive enzymes (biozyme)
  • 500mg potassium chloride (NOW powder)
  • 500mg mag chloride
  • 1 capsule platinum EAA (or any EAA supplement)
Planning to add in whole food multi (nutriplex). If it feel like crap on it, I will just continue without it.

For me the only difference in this protocol compared to zinc finger is the higher dose betaine HCL ( I only used 500mg on zinc finger), the addition of digestive enzymes directly (biozyme), and taking out histidine/cysteine directly and using a full EAA supplement instead. It feels like zinc finger but just better.
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I am running the same protocol, I just miss the 500mg potassium chloride and 500mg mag chloride that I am still waiting to arrive.
By now I feel better in general, I hope these stuff will cure all of us.
I am also on a low carbs diet, but wow, it is so difficult since in Italy the main dish is based on pasta and pizza. LOL))
 
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