Gbol and PAS theories???

[Flynn]

I was just wanting to know if Gbol had made any changes or released any more info regarding post accutane syndrome (PAS) in relation to sexual sides etc. (not hairloss).

I appreciate Gbol has written extensively, and is constantly being pestered by people on the forum, so I know he has no obligation to provide any help/info. It just seems that there hasn't been much if any progress relating to PAS, so his opinion would be appreciated.

Has Gbol changed his mind on any of the earlier stuff he wrote about PAS? I'm just asking as there are quite a few PAS guys who seem to be getting increasingly desperate, and it would be very useful to get GBol's opinion on this.

Would be hugely appreciated!!!

@gbolduev @TubZy @Scenes @IHateFin @joekool

 

[vicecaz]

Hello Flynn, I'm PAS as well
I haven't joined you guys on those PA thread but I'll definitely introduce myself and share my past experience in the next few days, as well as lab results if you're interested

I'm not sure if gbol changed his opinion regarding what he already said about accutane, but for now I wouldn't separate PFS from PAS
I see the same symptoms in both conditions, be it sexually, mentally, emotionally.. maybe expect dry eyes that is more often reported with accutane . The way we got to this state might be different.( with similarities I'm sure however ) but I believe the way out might be the same . Again, reported symptoms by PFS are not similar but identical, for me the condition is the same. There is a lot of experimentation going on in this forum right now lead by gbol, PAS should try this route too
I will follow his electrolytes, aminos, Hcl, Veggies/protein diet protocol with other PFS/PSSD/POIS and report back

The worst thing is being inactive imo. Read and learn about all recovery stories available for now, be it scenes, chi, cdnuts, english, to name a few.
Tubzy made a post that summarize all the possible way to heal ( Cdnuts protocol, gbol protocol, .. )
let's take action

 

[Flynn]

Hello Flynn, I'm PAS as well
I haven't joined you guys on those PA thread but I'll definitely introduce myself and share my past experience in the next few days, as well as lab results if you're interested

I'm not sure if gbol changed his opinion regarding what he already said about accutane, but for now I wouldn't separate PFS from PAS
I see the same symptoms in both conditions, be it sexually, mentally, emotionally.. maybe expect dry eyes that is more often reported with accutane . The way we got to this state might be different.( with similarities I'm sure however ) but I believe the way out might be the same . Again, reported symptoms by PFS are not similar but identical, for me the condition is the same. There is a lot of experimentation going on in this forum right now lead by gbol, PAS should try this route too
I will follow his electrolytes, aminos, Hcl, Veggies/protein diet protocol with other PFS/PSSD/POIS and report back

The worst thing is being inactive imo. Read and learn about all recovery stories available for now, be it scenes, chi, cdnuts, english, to name a few.
Tubzy made a post that summarize all the possible way to heal ( Cdnuts protocol, gbol protocol, .. )
let's take action

I agree, It's good you are taking an active approach. Yes please do a log and update us with your symptoms/story etc. An important question for me, is whether your main side effect is sexual problems or do you also have any other problems such as anhedonia (loss/lack of pleasure)? loss of motivation/drive? social avolition (become less sociable)?

I know the symptoms are the same between PAS and PFS in most cases. I hope you are right and they are the same condition. But given the fact they are different drugs, I cannot help but think it's possible they have similar symptoms albeit, different underlying processes. That is why I would like GBol's opinion on this. One possibility imo, is that PFS alters dopaminergic signalling/function etc. because of its effect on hormones. mineral balance and neurosteroids (thus correcting these, leads to improvements) however I have reason to believe its possible that dopaminergic function in PAS has been altered not because of changes in these things but due to changes in dopaminergic signalling components such as D2R expression.

Perhaps its because there aren't many PAS people trying protocols but there seems to be less recovery stories for PAS people than PFS. This is why I think its important to get some help/opinion from somebody like Gbol.

 

[tanedout]

There definitely does seem to be less recoveries from people with post accutane, but then I think there are quite a few less of us compared to PFS. There are also the recoveries from cycling fin too, which is good to see, but doesn't seem to be a guaranteed fix for everyone.

I'm currently pretty much covering the electrolytes protocol with what I'm currently taking, but it's not exactly the same so I've not joined the trial thread.

Would definitely be interesting to hear Gbol's take on PAS specifically though

 

[IHateFin]

I was just wanting to know if Gbol had made any changes or released any more info regarding post accutane syndrome (PAS) in relation to sexual sides etc. (not hairloss).

I appreciate Gbol has written extensively, and is constantly being pestered by people on the forum, so I know he has no obligation to provide any help/info. It just seems that there hasn't been much if any progress relating to PAS, so his opinion would be appreciated.

Has Gbol changed his mind on any of the earlier stuff he wrote about PAS? I'm just asking as there are quite a few PAS guys who seem to be getting increasingly desperate, and it would be very useful to get GBol's opinion on this.

Would be hugely appreciated!!!

@gbolduev @TubZy @Scenes @IHateFin @joekool

i personally dont know much about the accutane sides; however, finasteride is able to reverse PAS and accutane induces hairloss while finasteride stops it. just looking at this i would say that PAS is caused by the opposite affect of that of PFS. maybe its not alkilosis like PFS but rather acidocis where other minerals get locked and stuck in an endless loop causing similar sexual affects, but on the opposite end of the spectrum.

 

[vicecaz]

Yes Flynn I have all of them, sexual symptoms, anhedonia, loss of motivation . I will write it all in a log

 

[Flynn]

i personally dont know much about the accutane sides; however, finasteride is able to reverse PAS and accutane induces hairloss while finasteride stops it. just looking at this i would say that PAS is caused by the opposite affect of that of PFS. maybe its not alkilosis like PFS but rather acidocis where other minerals get locked and stuck in an endless loop causing similar sexual affects, but on the opposite end of the spectrum.

Thanks for your reply. It's worth considering. But the evidence that FIN reverse accutane's effects is still scant and unreliable. Accutane may also cause hairloss via a process completely unrelated to the process by which FIN prevents. I hope you are right and it is as simple as a mineral imbalance but for some reason I highly doubt it. This is why I would love to get @gbolduev opinion on this. As any and all opinions are very useful, valuable.

 

[PAS]

@gbolduev sir if you arent sure of any information, or are in the middle of researching this, or arent looking into PAS currently/never. Please let us know. Even that is information, we all know you arent obliged to help us this is all voluntary and we are VERY thankful for anything.