Dealing with stress..

[Canari]

we have ingrained memories, and from a long time. It is not necessary to remove all, because life flow helps it! I compare this to having your hose pipe stuck and no water come out well. You might open the water and nothing... then you shake it, or push back the snail that went in, and the flow makes it come out! The flow of life helps, and animals recover. We do, but we let the hose pipe closed too long and we have to uncalcify a lot. We are not enough embodied in the occident world. Google dogs calming signals and have a look at their unspoken voice language... Then observe dogs and you will see those signs all the time in them.

Removing ingrained memories is the goal of somatic experiencing, which is a bottom up technique, starting as animals from the physiology. Thoughts are eggs, not hens! Our ANS starts working before we can even have thoughts... thoughts then can only reinforce as in a hen and egg cycle, but they are not the first egg layer.

The quantity to remove, that we call discharge, is what makes it difficult. Imagine a dam, and too much pushing could break it, so we have to let it come out slowly, and miraculously it even produces electricity! SE call this tool "titration". It comes from the vocabulary of mixing an acid and a base drop by drop to avoid explosions.

 

[supernature]

What makes it not simple for humans?

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And when they flee, they use adrenaline for running, so there is no left-over, which is not the case when you cannot flee.

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Have you read the book "why zebras dont get ulcers"?

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[Jamie]

Is rhodiola or ashwagandha helpful with lowering adrenals output that are upregylulated due to acute stress?

 

[Canari]

For ex. hair test, blood tests, minerals, amino acids, ratios, a certain mindset.
A car, a faster car, a house, a bigger house, an airplane, people want more and more and they cant even have it fully, but want it anyway, all that makes you going, ambition etc.

That is what has been misunderstood until the most recent breakthrough about the ANS... All you mention is a consequence not a cause. Or you can say this is a trigger.
But of course the human cortex is what complicates things for us as mammals. But not because we can do so many things. Our problem is that our cortex has become able to STOP THE RETURN TO BASELINE. Thanks god we are not able to stop the reflexes that can save our lifes in case of danger, but we do not let the return to baseline happen fully. I mean we do not come back fully to the normal parasympathetic dominant state. Other animals do.

That goes in waves. What goes up must go down. If we stay up too long, then we have a crash. Here fits what @mattyb was saying about training. But you need to process the old stuff before you can regain resilience. When you have anxiety etc, you should start to regain the wave pattern with ripples!!!!!!!!!!! Nobody can stand a tsunami, or else you shut down.

Its not good when one has plenty of Adrenaline already.

Again a consequence. The sympathetic system is the one that send adrenaline and noradrenaline. The ANS is the chief of all that happens in the body. The chief of the orchestra. You can regulate cells directly, but what makes the result sticks is the regulation of the nervous system. Adrenaline is not the problem, because if the ANS is regulated, there is adrenaline when needed, and then the parasympathetic balances this and calm down the body. When things go wrong long term, then instead of adrenaline, the body turns to cortisol, because its effect lasts longer than adrenaline.

All those who have a cortisol problem have some disregulation and the body took the habit to use cortisol instead of adrenaline, or maybe there is some adrenal fatigue. In the first place, this fatigue happens because the sympathetic is on too much, too long, and without enough alternance to baseline levels.

Not sure, what would that be ?

You mentionned zebras in the study, and there is a book with this title! I want it but have not read it yet. I guess it explains how do animals do to get back to baseline....

 

[supernature]

But of course the human cortex is what complicates things for us as mammals. But not because we can do so many things. Our problem is that our cortex has become able to STOP THE RETURN TO BASELINE ...
...The sympathetic system is the one that send adrenaline and noradrenaline. The ANS is the chief of all that happens in the body. The chief of the orchestra.

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[Canari]

Minerals move also according to the nervous system state, ANS is first. You will eliminate what you take and your body does not want, if you do not self regulate. Some people still do it well, and some people are just more unregulated, that is why we need to work directly on the ANS. It is electric in nature, thus the term discharge.... It all happens by itself, but can be impaired. Of course if you release the stressor and balance minerals, you will get better, but you can still be weak enough for the result of your balancing program to not stick!
Regulate ANS and the ANS will regulate copper etc much better.

So it is not about having not enough nutrients, the adrenals suffer because the ANS is on all the time in SS and not enough PS. And if PS is on at the same time as SS, this is the freeze response that makes you feel spaced out or disconnected. Unfortunately, this part of the vagus nerve is also in charge of the digestive and rest and immune system, so this cannot work properly when you are in some sort of freeze response, and we do have a lot of it that is unfelt. Impossible to notice except when some activation comes out of it, when we are triggered in some situations. Any chronic disease shows that something is not regulated properly in the ANS. Nothing to do with the mind, it is physiologic, in the body, but in the nervous system. It is a system like the digestive r respiratory one.

 

[supernature]

Minerals move also according to the nervous system state, ANS is first ...
... that is why we need to work directly on the ANS. It is electric in nature, ...
... Regulate ANS and the ANS will regulate copper etc much better ...
... the adrenals suffer because the ANS is on all the time in SS and not enough PS. And if PS is on at the same time as SS, this is the freeze response that makes you feel spaced out or disconnected ...
... part of the vagus nerve is also in charge of the digestive and rest and immune system ... Nothing to do with the mind, it is physiologic, in the body, but in the nervous system. It is a system like the digestive r respiratory one.

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[Canari]

Oh it sounds esoteric maybe for others! I assure you it is not!

It is not about sleep and rest. It is about spontaneous behaviors. The ANS messages have been called the unspoken voice.

 

[supernature]

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[Canari]

you almost never hear this stuff discussed or addressed.

Right, it is taboo because it would change the world and people would unite and support each other with no shame!
The main problem is shame, and you just hear "it is all in your head" and you feel you cannot feel what you feel...

 

[Canari]

Stress: It’s Not in Your Head, it’s in Your Nervous System

No it is not in your head and not even in your emotions....

Stop talking about mental and emotional health! This is autonomic health that is below this, or up-stream!

 

[tanedout]

I feel much better compared to when I posted this thread stress-wise. I think my issues were due to cortisol getting very high (has been well above top-range when tested before) and what seems to have helped significantly is phophatidylserine. Taking 100mg daily showed improvements in only a few days, and I'm continuing with it.

Alongside this I think fish oil and camomile tea have helped a bit too, but less significantly.

 

[Canari]

Happy for you that you found something useful!
Phosphatidylserine - Wikipedia
Looks like a liver problem if it lacks.... There is a lot in animal food like mackrel and chicken liver.

I think my issues were due to cortisol getting very high

Yes, that is why it proves it is not mental nor emotional!
The reverse....
Physical problem gives emotional and mental difficulties.
That is why I love to mix the 2 approaches for exponential results, mineral balance AND direct autonomic balance. Cortisol comes from the sympathetic giving the order. We are meant to regulate this without taking anything. So my option is to take whatever is necessary, and add the direct regulation.

Whoever choses only one way is almost always reluctant to go the other one at the same time! I see this with people doing some ANS work, they had no result with the rest for their digestive issues etc, and as they have result by regulation of the ANS, they do not think about doing both. Also there can be money reasons, but most of the time, ...time reasons.

 

[Canari]

Metals and the Mind - The Weston A. Price Foundation

They also say mind and emotions.... but it is a good article i think about nutricional balance....