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Copper, the cure all??
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I am low in copper in hair, higher in blood. TEI tells me to take copper gluconate... so it is copper alone!
Do you say this for people who are high in copper in their hair test? If copper is not high in hair test, and ratio to zinc not good, what applies?
Then how do you explain low copper to zinc ratios?
Do you mean a slow with low copper will always one day or another start to dump some toxic copper?
@freeflow how low were you in copper, to get such results by taking it? You make me hopeful!
I ocnfirm when I was low in bed, that I could not take any copper because I wanted to throw up. How can slows have high copper then????????
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Is copper invoved in cortisol production?
High or irregular cortisol people have a metabolism that goes directly to cortisol production, instead of adrenaline...
High or irregular cortisol people have a metabolism that goes directly to cortisol production, instead of adrenaline...
adrenaline uses up copper?
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I doubt TEI recs copper only. I’m pretty sure you got more supplement recommendations from them. I got a ton, like 8 different supplement packs suggested. And it’s never just one mineral or vitamin on its own.
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For any useless subject anywhere in the world, there's some douchebag PhD that is studying it and has something unintelligible to say about it.
More reputable studies than this exist, that are still quite preposterous.
Not saying all PhD's are douchebags nor useless nor all researchers... but just look at your leftist wackjob American/Cdn schools these days. Words no longer have any meaning.
And your right-wing stuff too. Just bc a study says something-- doesn't really mean much. Even if it's in JAMA, and this surely isn't.
I've proved and disproved PhD and MD works against committees of PhD's at academic institutions... whether I'm a good liar or just persuasive, the point is --- these claims are about 2million times more spurious than the claims I was fighting (not coursework). What this link contains isn't even a study (and how many of those are useful?).
When the US population decreases this year by 10-20million+ (minimum amount for it to be "tens of millions"), I'll read the rest of the article.
I can't laugh at this bc it physically hurts me.
More reputable studies than this exist, that are still quite preposterous.
Not saying all PhD's are douchebags nor useless nor all researchers... but just look at your leftist wackjob American/Cdn schools these days. Words no longer have any meaning.
And your right-wing stuff too. Just bc a study says something-- doesn't really mean much. Even if it's in JAMA, and this surely isn't.
I've proved and disproved PhD and MD works against committees of PhD's at academic institutions... whether I'm a good liar or just persuasive, the point is --- these claims are about 2million times more spurious than the claims I was fighting (not coursework). What this link contains isn't even a study (and how many of those are useful?).
When the US population decreases this year by 10-20million+ (minimum amount for it to be "tens of millions"), I'll read the rest of the article.
I can't laugh at this bc it physically hurts me.
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Yes mineral on its own as gluconate.
Then yes glandulars and Bs and E.
Did not dare to take anything since not sure TEI is ok, from what I read here.
A bit off topic but I thought someone may know the answer.
What is the relationship between copper and manganese?
I used to supplement with manganese to cure a manganese deficiency because manganese tablets taste very sweet to me but it did nothing , possibly indicating that I need to fix something other first.But one day I took manganese and the same evening I got intense feelings of impending doom , panic and depression wich lasted for like and hour.
What was that?Did manganese cause copper dumping?
When sometime I took magnesium , it caused copper tablet to taste sweet(it tasted bitter till then) and some acne ,(all this maybe from using copper/making copper bioavailable) but no feelings of doom.
Could manganese be making copper bioavailable or chelating copper but only when something else is present?
What is the relationship between copper and manganese?
I used to supplement with manganese to cure a manganese deficiency because manganese tablets taste very sweet to me but it did nothing , possibly indicating that I need to fix something other first.But one day I took manganese and the same evening I got intense feelings of impending doom , panic and depression wich lasted for like and hour.
What was that?Did manganese cause copper dumping?
When sometime I took magnesium , it caused copper tablet to taste sweet(it tasted bitter till then) and some acne ,(all this maybe from using copper/making copper bioavailable) but no feelings of doom.
Could manganese be making copper bioavailable or chelating copper but only when something else is present?
around 16-24 mg , no different than other times
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When I have taken 1mg of copper in the past it will cause intense night sweats, 10mg dose of manganese will cause the same intense night sweats, so I suspect it dumps copper/iron for me... probably a good thing, but makes for a horrible nights rest.
I was chatting with somebody about copper these days:
''I just did a blood test in one of Germany's most advanced laboratories ("Labor Dr Bayer" in Stuttgart). They are experts in Whole Blood tests, and my blood test showed a significant copper deficiency - almost dangerously low. As much as 50-60% of the people in the USA and Europe might have copper deficiency.
We should not be worried about too much copper and "toxicity", new scientific evidence clearly show too low copper in our bodies are extremely harmful. I would urge people too NOT BE AFRAID of copper, the problem is not to much of this important mineral but way too little. My doctor clearly advised me to take 2 mg copper every morning before breakfast for best uptake.
This "propaganda" against copper is very tiresome to listen to, some people are obviously not updated on copper and its positive effects on the body's cardiovascular functions, the heart, the nervous system, the brain, the adrenal glands, the bone structure, the skin and the many, many psychological problems which copper deficiency causes. Copper is an essential mineral and we should not fear this very important micro mineral.
According to the US Food and Nutrition Board of the National Academy of Sciences 75% of the population in the U.S is deficient in copper. A few years ago I did several whole blood tests in Germany at one of the best labs on the planet, and I was severely deficient in copper.
My zinc level was slightly above normal.After taking copper for six months my blood tests were normal and I felt wonderful - no symptoms. When i stopped eating extra copper, my levels dropped rapidly and I felt like crap. Zinc has never ever helped me.
I also suffered from adrenal exhaustion, and copper deficiency was the cause in my case. Among other things, copper regulates and creates ATP so how can copper CAUSE adrenal exhaustion?I know this: Some of the best doctors, MD, and professors in this world tested my blood in one of the most advanced labs in the world, in Stuttgart, Germany.
It clearly showed a severe copper deficiency. When I took copper gluconate supplement (2 mg/day) for six months and the copper levels in my blood was restored, I got 99% better. When I stopped taking copper, the level dropped to severe copper deficiency within three months... and I felt like crap again. Zinc never helped me. How do you explain this?
The really sad part is that almost nobody (not even medical doctors) has the slightest idea how to fix this copper dysregulation problem... Here is why: Although there are numerous reasons for the prevalence of copper "toxicity", the most important cause is adrenal gland insufficiency. Individuals with adrenal insufficiency are unable to utilize copper properly.
The reason for this is that copper can only be utilized in the body if it is attached to a protein substance for transport and storage. The major protein that copper is attached to is ceruloplasmin. Ceruloplasmin is a protein which binds copper so that it can be utilized in biochemical reactions.When the adrenal glands are underactive, they are unable to send out a message to the liver to release ceruloplasmin from the liver and, therefore, copper becomes biounavailable.
As a result of excessive tissue storage of biounavailable or unbound copper, a deficiency of available copper occurs, even when dietary intake of copper is more than adequate. The result may be a craving for foods high in copper, such as chocolate, avocados etc. The outer result is multiple bodily dysfunctions as a direct or indirect result of copper imbalance.Copper. As a rule of thumb, when the sodium/potassium ration is less than 2:1, copper becomes biounavailable
This occurs because adequate adrenal activity is needed for the production of ceruloplasmin, a copper binding protein.Now, HERE IS THE REALLY INTERESTING PART: In these cases, it is wise to supplement with a small amount of copper (0.5 mg to 1 mg per day) for a while (weeks or a few months) even if the tissue copper level is high. But why??? Because this helps restore glandular activity, which requires bioavailable copper. It is like priming an old-fashioned water pump. You had to put in a little water in order for it to start pumping out water. In other words: even if you are really deficient in copper or if your body has too much biounavailable or unbound copper in both cases you need to supplement with copper.
When biounavailable or unbound, start supplementing really SLOW and EASY, because copper is a heavy "detoxifier", it will clean your system thoroughly. This is the secret how you heal many, many diseases. Copper is an extremely crucial mineral. Unfortunately copper has been bashed and degraded for decades, just because no one really understood how important this trace mineral is and how it works. The fear of copper is very, very unfortunate since so many illnesses and severe diseases can be healed with it when supplemented as it should be supplemented.
It took me over 20 years to find this secret. A restored copper imbalance would heal tens of millions of sick people out there. The medical field is not interested enough though (yet), they just want to earn more and more money via expensive drugs which only "cure" the symptoms and nothing more. Please do not be afraid of copper! Just take it in the right amount and in the right way, with a lot of patience. It may take months, but you will feel better and it will help you... You can't even imagine!''
What do you guys think?
''I just did a blood test in one of Germany's most advanced laboratories ("Labor Dr Bayer" in Stuttgart). They are experts in Whole Blood tests, and my blood test showed a significant copper deficiency - almost dangerously low. As much as 50-60% of the people in the USA and Europe might have copper deficiency.
We should not be worried about too much copper and "toxicity", new scientific evidence clearly show too low copper in our bodies are extremely harmful. I would urge people too NOT BE AFRAID of copper, the problem is not to much of this important mineral but way too little. My doctor clearly advised me to take 2 mg copper every morning before breakfast for best uptake.
This "propaganda" against copper is very tiresome to listen to, some people are obviously not updated on copper and its positive effects on the body's cardiovascular functions, the heart, the nervous system, the brain, the adrenal glands, the bone structure, the skin and the many, many psychological problems which copper deficiency causes. Copper is an essential mineral and we should not fear this very important micro mineral.
According to the US Food and Nutrition Board of the National Academy of Sciences 75% of the population in the U.S is deficient in copper. A few years ago I did several whole blood tests in Germany at one of the best labs on the planet, and I was severely deficient in copper.
My zinc level was slightly above normal.After taking copper for six months my blood tests were normal and I felt wonderful - no symptoms. When i stopped eating extra copper, my levels dropped rapidly and I felt like crap. Zinc has never ever helped me.
I also suffered from adrenal exhaustion, and copper deficiency was the cause in my case. Among other things, copper regulates and creates ATP so how can copper CAUSE adrenal exhaustion?I know this: Some of the best doctors, MD, and professors in this world tested my blood in one of the most advanced labs in the world, in Stuttgart, Germany.
It clearly showed a severe copper deficiency. When I took copper gluconate supplement (2 mg/day) for six months and the copper levels in my blood was restored, I got 99% better. When I stopped taking copper, the level dropped to severe copper deficiency within three months... and I felt like crap again. Zinc never helped me. How do you explain this?
The really sad part is that almost nobody (not even medical doctors) has the slightest idea how to fix this copper dysregulation problem... Here is why: Although there are numerous reasons for the prevalence of copper "toxicity", the most important cause is adrenal gland insufficiency. Individuals with adrenal insufficiency are unable to utilize copper properly.
The reason for this is that copper can only be utilized in the body if it is attached to a protein substance for transport and storage. The major protein that copper is attached to is ceruloplasmin. Ceruloplasmin is a protein which binds copper so that it can be utilized in biochemical reactions.When the adrenal glands are underactive, they are unable to send out a message to the liver to release ceruloplasmin from the liver and, therefore, copper becomes biounavailable.
As a result of excessive tissue storage of biounavailable or unbound copper, a deficiency of available copper occurs, even when dietary intake of copper is more than adequate. The result may be a craving for foods high in copper, such as chocolate, avocados etc. The outer result is multiple bodily dysfunctions as a direct or indirect result of copper imbalance.Copper. As a rule of thumb, when the sodium/potassium ration is less than 2:1, copper becomes biounavailable
This occurs because adequate adrenal activity is needed for the production of ceruloplasmin, a copper binding protein.Now, HERE IS THE REALLY INTERESTING PART: In these cases, it is wise to supplement with a small amount of copper (0.5 mg to 1 mg per day) for a while (weeks or a few months) even if the tissue copper level is high. But why??? Because this helps restore glandular activity, which requires bioavailable copper. It is like priming an old-fashioned water pump. You had to put in a little water in order for it to start pumping out water. In other words: even if you are really deficient in copper or if your body has too much biounavailable or unbound copper in both cases you need to supplement with copper.
When biounavailable or unbound, start supplementing really SLOW and EASY, because copper is a heavy "detoxifier", it will clean your system thoroughly. This is the secret how you heal many, many diseases. Copper is an extremely crucial mineral. Unfortunately copper has been bashed and degraded for decades, just because no one really understood how important this trace mineral is and how it works. The fear of copper is very, very unfortunate since so many illnesses and severe diseases can be healed with it when supplemented as it should be supplemented.
It took me over 20 years to find this secret. A restored copper imbalance would heal tens of millions of sick people out there. The medical field is not interested enough though (yet), they just want to earn more and more money via expensive drugs which only "cure" the symptoms and nothing more. Please do not be afraid of copper! Just take it in the right amount and in the right way, with a lot of patience. It may take months, but you will feel better and it will help you... You can't even imagine!''
What do you guys think?
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I think that you cannot measure how much copper is stored in the body from the blood.. It is like measuring capacity in the warehouse by counting cars which are going in and out lol.. Because there can't be free copper floating around in the blood due to oxidative damage. It must be stored in some tissues. That's why I don't see HTMA as 100% accurate as well. Just because you have thin, gray hair(low in copper) does not mean that you don't have liver or even brain full of copper..
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My blood copper was low as well. I thought I was copper deficient at first too.
Im glad I did not follow that way.
My hair test showed the exact opposite.
Thats the problem, if you look only on blood, you will only see whats acute.
In copper toxicity you are missing copper, but you are full of it as well.
Just because something is low in blood, doesnt mean you are missing it diet wise.
Of course supplementing copper will help up your blood copper levels.
Ask this guy in 10 years how he feels.
Im glad I did not follow that way.
My hair test showed the exact opposite.
Thats the problem, if you look only on blood, you will only see whats acute.
In copper toxicity you are missing copper, but you are full of it as well.
Just because something is low in blood, doesnt mean you are missing it diet wise.
Of course supplementing copper will help up your blood copper levels.
Ask this guy in 10 years how he feels.
Yeah you may die, but at least your doc will be happy.
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@Legna88 read what I wrote in this thread. and stop this copper salt and other nonsense please. I got copper for everyone! Sky high tissue copper. Hair mineral analysis
This is the problem, I cannot tell if I am copper toxic or deficient. I feel like I have some kind of copper imbalance. I have graying hair, pale skin, fatigue, blunted emotions, etc. My ceruloplasmin was low and my urine copper output was very low, but my serum copper was normal! I am also on finasteride. I have not gotten a hair analysis yet.
