Gerson Therapy

[Legna88]

Did you guys know that the ORIGINAL Gerson therapy included copious daily amounts of raw beef liver? Basically it was the backbone of the entire therapy... liver contains ALL vitamins, minerals in bioavailable form..

If it is so ''bad'' because of its high copper and iron, why did people with cancer and other severe diseases heal from it

''Raw liver and iodine. Among the more unusual dietary items that Dr. Gerson found most helpful was raw liver juice. The patients either drank it or it was injected. This would help regenerate the liver to a degree, a key component in the fight to save the lives of advanced cancer patients. He also found the use of iodine most helpful and that most of his patients had thyroid problems. I prefer kelp to liquid iodine, as kelp also contains about 30 or 40 other important nutrients. For more on this topic read, Thyroid Disease on this website.

Care with vitamins and minerals. Dr. Gerson said that his patients were all malnourished, and he struggled to find ways to force more nutrition into their bodies before death overwhelmed them. However, he found that except for iodine, his patients did not tend to tolerate high doses of vitamins and minerals well. Some died when he gave them too many nutrients at once.''

 

[bruschi11]

Thanks for reminder to get myself going and do my nearly daily coffee enema lol.

Probably my most recommmended thing to do when in severe cfs state is this type of therapy. A modified form can be used as I never went full out gerson. At my most I was doing 2-3 CEs a day and this was only for a week or two.

I feel like this has kept me going most since my injury (stopped workouts cuz of it for like 5 weeks there) I . I don’t do full Gerson but a fraction of it with a coffee enema and 16oz plus of of juicing daily.

 

[Legna88]

Thanks for reminder to get myself going and do my nearly daily coffee enema lol.

Probably my most recommmended thing to do when in severe cfs state is this type of therapy. A modified form can be used as I never went full out gerson. At my most I was doing 2-3 CEs a day and this was only for a week or two.

I feel like this has kept me going most since my injury (stopped workouts cuz of it for like 5 weeks there) I . I don’t do full Gerson but a fraction of it with a coffee enema and 16oz plus of of juicing daily.

gerson was pushing quite hard the consumption of raw liver, he claimed it is needed to regenerate people's liver and fill up peoples bodies with bioavailable nutrients ASAP

 

[Helen]

Gerson did not have liver on his protocol/ It was added by his daugther. since then cure rate is zero. potassium is anti copper. Gerson was speeding up metabolism with potassium creating oxidative stress and killing cancer sells by oxidation. and chelating copper. Same could be done with progesterone or thyroid. But cancer is not a a disease of just infection, it is a disease of oxidative stress, from lack of glutathione. and high hydroxyl radicals. Hydroxyl radicals are created from copper and iron ions. mixed with hydrogen peroxide. ( fenton reaction) This is why when you try to cure cancer with hydrogen peroxide, ozone, potassium thyroid, it only cured tumors. not cancer/ When you quit the supplement tumor grows right back up.

And hydrogen water . Since this will kill hydroxyl radical and will allow the body to produce hydrogen peroxide. and this kills bacterias and tumors. and actually cures you.

If you give copper to a slow metabolism person , that copper will just stay in the liver , and this will cause high free copper which will increase oxidative stress. this will create UC IBS colon cancer and all other stuff.

 

[Amazoniac]

Molecular hydrogen is a selective antioxidant. It scavenges hydroxyl radical. hydroxyl radicals are usually created with the reaction from hydrogen peroxide. this is why if there are tons of hydroxyl radicals in the body , body will increases glutathione peroxidase and will be breaking down hydrogen peroxide. And it will close down SODs, and will have to close down sugar metabolism. Since body is using tons of glutathione to break down hydrogen peroxide. glutathione transferase goes down ( and you get liver problems from toxic stuff)


This is what happens in cancer. Because of hydroxyl radicals, body closes down sugar metabolism. And breaks down peroxide and all kinds of stuff starts growing.

Molecular hydrogen basically neutralizes hydroxyl radical into water. This tells the body that it can make peroxide right away. since there is no more hydroxyl radical. This lowers glutathione peroxidase activation. which is selenocysteine enzyme. SO there will be more selenocysteine available for D1 enzyme, which converts т4 Into т3. also this decreases tyrosine kinases ( Jak2) since usually tyrosine is used to activate glutathione and your thyroid goes UP. since now it has tyrosine to make thyroid hormones and it has selenocysteine to convert it to the active form.And sugar metabolism goes up.

So yes I would say molecular hydrogen is an amazing antioxidant. Which does not touch oxidation. It actually increases oxidative power of the body , It increases sugar metabolism. It does that by getting rid of hydroxyl radical.

But when you take just T3 , body will always fight it very hard. Since T3 will create hydroxyl radicals by increases hydrogen peroxide.

This is why if you are toxic in free metals, and if you take t3, you get hairloss. Since hydroxyl radical is killing protein structures

Guru, your posts are great.

Regarding T3 supplementation, it's true that the body responds by suppressing itself further right away, but after insisting, some people end up improving. Why some people have an overall positive effect to the point of normalizing their state and not requiring it anymore? Do you think there's value in it?

"Thyroid glandular substance is also helpful for many patients."

This might interest you:
Ray Peat Email Advice Depository

Regarding Gerson, he had liver in his protocol but found benefit from thyroid supplementation later on.
http://gerson-research.org/publications/

 

[Helen]

Guru, your posts are great.

Regarding T3 supplementation, it's true that the body responds by suppressing itself further right away, but after insisting, some people end up improving. Why some people have an overall positive effect to the point of normalizing their state and not requiring it anymore? Do you think there's value in it?

"Thyroid glandular substance is also helpful for many patients."

This might interest you:
Ray Peat Email Advice Depository

Regarding Gerson, he had liver in his protocol but found benefit from thyroid supplementation later on.
http://gerson-research.org/publications/

Thyroid helps with the energy. But it makes the situation worse. Eventually body will get super toxic in copper and other metals, since there will be no histidine left to hold them. Since taking thyroid when there is no histidine and SODs will create oxidative stress. This is why we see huge copper toxicity after Ray Peat diet. And diabetes. We see this more and more from people after years of Ray Peat. Since Ray Peat tells people to take progesterone and thyroid. and stay away from cysteine and histidine. both of which can lead to diabetes. same as steroid diabetes. Body breaks down protein via cortisol to get to those)) this is why they are the component for the zinc finger.

This diabetes stems from histidine deficiency. Once histidine deficiency occurs, Sods cant bind copper and copper goes free, also there is no MNSOD in mito, so sugar metabolism just closes down even if you take T3))) and you burn fats and protein. and your serotonin goes up to make sure you dont breathe.

To open up sugar metabolism and to keep metabolism high you need to feed all components of end detox systems. Glutathiones, bile acids, sulfations, glutathione transferases , glutathione peroxidases, And this goes backwards to the sugar entrance. Basically all these enzymes will contain all the stuff what insulin is made out of, what SODS are made out of. etc.. So if one component is missing , sugar metabolism goes down. And you can not open sugar metabolism with the thyroid.

Also , when sugar metabolism closes down, if you are missing detox enzymes. body will go into alkalosis. It will use hydrogen for detox, it will use niacin for detox. to make molecules like NADH , like NADPH. So tryptophan and tyrosine will be used for that. This is why you see low tryptophan and IDO activation in people. And MAO A will go down. to keep serotonin high. this serotonin makes sure you don't breathe . Since all hydrogen is used for detox, and body closes down sugar metabolism, it will try to increase CO2 by not breathing, since this will allow the body to use fats for energy. So extra Co2 will allow body to use FATS for energy. since extra CO2 will allow adrenaline. Without Co2, there is no adrenaline. Since adrenaline will activate sympathetic nervous system and blow out the Co2.
this is why you see high Co2 level on most people blood tests. with CFS, diabetes, etc. Body is retaining CO2, to have tiny amounts of adrenaline. Those people are hypothyroid with high CO2 levels. If you increase Co2 levels of those people, it allows them to burn fat instead of protein. But it lowers sugar metabolism further. This is why it helps in cancer. It gets rid of ammonia in a situation when sugar metabolism is closed. ANd giving Co2 cant open up sugar metabolism, since it is a diuretic )) it lowers potassium. same as any CA inhibitors, like acetazolamide.

But main source of energy in closed sugar metabolism will be protein, thus you have high ammonia problems, and this is why people see too much ammonia in mercury toxicities etc.

Increasing CO2 in this case will allow the body to use fats for energy. And thus cortisol falls. It has nothing to do with sugar metabolism. high CO2 from outside decreases sugar metabolism. SO if you want to burn fat, you increase Co2 from outside.


Ideal metabolism is when you have sugar metabolism working creating Co2 in the cell. This high Co2 will allow you to use fats. SO you will be using sugars and fats at the same time. And protein will be used only for detox and anabolism . if you use sugar and fats at the same time, you will have solid stress response.

In case of heavy metal toxicities sugar metabolism closes down, body uses hydrogen for detox, this leads to alkalosis. Now body can use only protein for the energy source. So the body has to retain Co2 to be able to use fats for energy source also . For that it raises serotonin )) and lowers MAO A. This increases your parasympathetic nervous system and you breathe slower.

Now these people lower serotonin with drugs ))) and take thyroid. that is LMAO. This basically increases metabolic rate and forces the body to use only protein.
since serotonin is not there, you will be breathing faster. you will have lower Co2 levels. Bag breathing wont help this. ))
Thyroid cant open sugar metabolism/ Sugar metabolism can be opened only if the end pathway detox enzymes are working( antioxidant enzymes) . SO giving t3 leads to higher cortisol than before)) And higher stress response. And higher ammonia levels.

Met rate of burning fats will always be higher than met rate burning protein. this is why when people increase Co2, they think they increase met rate via sugar oxidation LOL

This is why hydrogen water is so exciting. It takes huge load off of hydroxyl radicals and this always increases sugar metabolism. As sugar metabolism increases, this makes more Co2. This extra Co2 allows you to use fats for energy. So you are using sugar now and fats. And cortisol falls, since body does not need histidine and cysteine and does not need to burn protein for energy. Ammonia falls.

This increases your adrenaline, and increases MAO A and lowers serotonin , since serotonin is not needed anymore, and you get tons of melatonin instead. and IDO goes down.

 

[Amazoniac]

Thyroid helps with the energy. But it makes the situation worse. Eventually body will get super toxic in copper and other metals, since there will be no histidine left to hold them. Since taking thyroid when there is no histidine and SODs will create oxidative stress. This is why we see huge copper toxicity after Ray Peat diet. And diabetes. We see this more and more from people after years of Ray Peat. Since Ray Peat tells people to take progesterone and thyroid. and stay away from cysteine and histidine. both of which can lead to diabetes. same as steroid diabetes. Body breaks down protein via cortisol to get to those)) this is why they are the component for the zinc finger.

This diabetes stems from histidine deficiency. Once histidine deficiency occurs, Sods cant bind copper and copper goes free, also there is no MNSOD in mito, so sugar metabolism just closes down even if you take T3))) and you burn fats and protein. and your serotonin goes up to make sure you dont breathe.

To open up sugar metabolism and to keep metabolism high you need to feed all components of end detox systems. Glutathiones, bile acids, sulfations, glutathione transferases , glutathione peroxidases, And this goes backwards to the sugar entrance. Basically all these enzymes will contain all the stuff what insulin is made out of, what SODS are made out of. etc.. So if one component is missing , sugar metabolism goes down. And you can not open sugar metabolism with the thyroid.

Also , when sugar metabolism closes down, if you are missing detox enzymes. body will go into alkalosis. It will use hydrogen for detox, it will use niacin for detox. to make molecules like NADH , like NADPH. So tryptophan and tyrosine will be used for that. This is why you see low tryptophan and IDO activation in people. And MAO A will go down. to keep serotonin high. this serotonin makes sure you don't breathe . Since all hydrogen is used for detox, and body closes down sugar metabolism, it will try to increase CO2 by not breathing, since this will allow the body to use fats for energy. So extra Co2 will allow body to use FATS for energy. since extra CO2 will allow adrenaline. Without Co2, there is no adrenaline. Since adrenaline will activate sympathetic nervous system and blow out the Co2.
this is why you see high Co2 level on most people blood tests. with CFS, diabetes, etc. Body is retaining CO2, to have tiny amounts of adrenaline. Those people are hypothyroid with high CO2 levels. If you increase Co2 levels of those people, it allows them to burn fat instead of protein. But it lowers sugar metabolism further. This is why it helps in cancer. It gets rid of ammonia in a situation when sugar metabolism is closed. ANd giving Co2 cant open up sugar metabolism, since it is a diuretic )) it lowers potassium. same as any CA inhibitors, like acetazolamide.

But main source of energy in closed sugar metabolism will be protein, thus you have high ammonia problems, and this is why people see too much ammonia in mercury toxicities etc.

Increasing CO2 in this case will allow the body to use fats for energy. And thus cortisol falls. It has nothing to do with sugar metabolism. high CO2 from outside decreases sugar metabolism. SO if you want to burn fat, you increase Co2 from outside.


Ideal metabolism is when you have sugar metabolism working creating Co2 in the cell. This high Co2 will allow you to use fats. SO you will be using sugars and fats at the same time. And protein will be used only for detox and anabolism . if you use sugar and fats at the same time, you will have solid stress response.

In case of heavy metal toxicities sugar metabolism closes down, body uses hydrogen for detox, this leads to alkalosis. Now body can use only protein for the energy source. So the body has to retain Co2 to be able to use fats for energy source also . For that it raises serotonin )) and lowers MAO A. This increases your parasympathetic nervous system and you breathe slower.

Now these people lower serotonin with drugs ))) and take thyroid. that is LMAO. This basically increases metabolic rate and forces the body to use only protein.
since serotonin is not there, you will be breathing faster. you will have lower Co2 levels. Bag breathing wont help this. ))
Thyroid cant open sugar metabolism/ Sugar metabolism can be opened only if the end pathway detox enzymes are working( antioxidant enzymes) . SO giving t3 leads to higher cortisol than before)) And higher stress response. And higher ammonia levels.

Met rate of burning fats will always be higher than met rate burning protein. this is why when people increase Co2, they think they increase met rate via sugar oxidation LOL

This is why hydrogen water is so exciting. It takes huge load off of hydroxyl radicals and this always increases sugar metabolism. As sugar metabolism increases, this makes more Co2. This extra Co2 allows you to use fats for energy. So you are using sugar now and fats. And cortisol falls, since body does not need histidine and cysteine and does not need to burn protein for energy. Ammonia falls.

This increases your adrenaline, and increases MAO A and lowers serotonin , since serotonin is not needed anymore, and you get tons of melatonin instead. and IDO goes down.

What a detailed response. Your posts have been very useful.

Thinking Outside The Box – Cancer Treatments KMUD - Ask Your Herb Doctor – (2014) (this is one of Rayzord's best interviews in my opinion)
So, from what I understand from him, he seems to think the problem is excess hydrogens or at least not being able of doing something productive with them, which is why he suggests nicotinamide, methylene of the blues, quinones, and other substances that promote oxidation. Like you mentioned, boosting it has its risks because there are probably pieces missing that will get in the way of proper oxidation, making the situation worse if the persons forces through.

He commented about their excess reflecting in cells assuming this stressed state and not being able to differentiate and return to normal function. To stabilize a protein it needs to have the hydrogen mobilized (sulfhydryl oxidized to disulfide). It makes me wonder if it's a problem of making the reactions move towards making oxygen available again, which in turn will normalize excess hydrogens, and not so much provide more hydrogens to someone who's having difficulty doing something useful with them.

VVhat am I missing?

 

[bruschi11]

Thyroid helps with the energy. But it makes the situation worse. Eventually body will get super toxic in copper and other metals, since there will be no histidine left to hold them. Since taking thyroid when there is no histidine and SODs will create oxidative stress. This is why we see huge copper toxicity after Ray Peat diet. And diabetes. We see this more and more from people after years of Ray Peat. Since Ray Peat tells people to take progesterone and thyroid. and stay away from cysteine and histidine. both of which can lead to diabetes. same as steroid diabetes. Body breaks down protein via cortisol to get to those)) this is why they are the component for the zinc finger.

This diabetes stems from histidine deficiency. Once histidine deficiency occurs, Sods cant bind copper and copper goes free, also there is no MNSOD in mito, so sugar metabolism just closes down even if you take T3))) and you burn fats and protein. and your serotonin goes up to make sure you dont breathe.

To open up sugar metabolism and to keep metabolism high you need to feed all components of end detox systems. Glutathiones, bile acids, sulfations, glutathione transferases , glutathione peroxidases, And this goes backwards to the sugar entrance. Basically all these enzymes will contain all the stuff what insulin is made out of, what SODS are made out of. etc.. So if one component is missing , sugar metabolism goes down. And you can not open sugar metabolism with the thyroid.

Also , when sugar metabolism closes down, if you are missing detox enzymes. body will go into alkalosis. It will use hydrogen for detox, it will use niacin for detox. to make molecules like NADH , like NADPH. So tryptophan and tyrosine will be used for that. This is why you see low tryptophan and IDO activation in people. And MAO A will go down. to keep serotonin high. this serotonin makes sure you don't breathe . Since all hydrogen is used for detox, and body closes down sugar metabolism, it will try to increase CO2 by not breathing, since this will allow the body to use fats for energy. So extra Co2 will allow body to use FATS for energy. since extra CO2 will allow adrenaline. Without Co2, there is no adrenaline. Since adrenaline will activate sympathetic nervous system and blow out the Co2.
this is why you see high Co2 level on most people blood tests. with CFS, diabetes, etc. Body is retaining CO2, to have tiny amounts of adrenaline. Those people are hypothyroid with high CO2 levels. If you increase Co2 levels of those people, it allows them to burn fat instead of protein. But it lowers sugar metabolism further. This is why it helps in cancer. It gets rid of ammonia in a situation when sugar metabolism is closed. ANd giving Co2 cant open up sugar metabolism, since it is a diuretic )) it lowers potassium. same as any CA inhibitors, like acetazolamide.

But main source of energy in closed sugar metabolism will be protein, thus you have high ammonia problems, and this is why people see too much ammonia in mercury toxicities etc.

Increasing CO2 in this case will allow the body to use fats for energy. And thus cortisol falls. It has nothing to do with sugar metabolism. high CO2 from outside decreases sugar metabolism. SO if you want to burn fat, you increase Co2 from outside.


Ideal metabolism is when you have sugar metabolism working creating Co2 in the cell. This high Co2 will allow you to use fats. SO you will be using sugars and fats at the same time. And protein will be used only for detox and anabolism . if you use sugar and fats at the same time, you will have solid stress response.

In case of heavy metal toxicities sugar metabolism closes down, body uses hydrogen for detox, this leads to alkalosis. Now body can use only protein for the energy source. So the body has to retain Co2 to be able to use fats for energy source also . For that it raises serotonin )) and lowers MAO A. This increases your parasympathetic nervous system and you breathe slower.

Now these people lower serotonin with drugs ))) and take thyroid. that is LMAO. This basically increases metabolic rate and forces the body to use only protein.
since serotonin is not there, you will be breathing faster. you will have lower Co2 levels. Bag breathing wont help this. ))
Thyroid cant open sugar metabolism/ Sugar metabolism can be opened only if the end pathway detox enzymes are working( antioxidant enzymes) . SO giving t3 leads to higher cortisol than before)) And higher stress response. And higher ammonia levels.

Met rate of burning fats will always be higher than met rate burning protein. this is why when people increase Co2, they think they increase met rate via sugar oxidation LOL

This is why hydrogen water is so exciting. It takes huge load off of hydroxyl radicals and this always increases sugar metabolism. As sugar metabolism increases, this makes more Co2. This extra Co2 allows you to use fats for energy. So you are using sugar now and fats. And cortisol falls, since body does not need histidine and cysteine and does not need to burn protein for energy. Ammonia falls.

This increases your adrenaline, and increases MAO A and lowers serotonin , since serotonin is not needed anymore, and you get tons of melatonin instead. and IDO goes down.

Explains me a bit. BoTh mercury and ammonia elevations. Strengthening cortisol with fasts has been the best thing for me thus far.

And all kind of detox like coffee enemas, dry sauna, liver flush, ionic foot baths.

There have been times where I’ve been able to raise oxidation significantly with supps. For example zinc/boron for a few days and a days 4-6 or my Balancing program.

Body doesn’t “herx” or at least brain symptom herx when body chemistry is ideal. I can use my Rife machine all night and not feel much, or I could do a full day of activity without fatigue.

 

[Helen]

What a detailed response. Your posts have been very useful.

Thinking Outside The Box – Cancer Treatments KMUD - Ask Your Herb Doctor – (2014) (this is one of Rayzord's best interviews in my opinion)
So, from what I understand from him, he seems to think the problem is excess hydrogens or at least not being able of doing something productive with them, which is why he suggests nicotinamide, methylene of the blues, quinones, and other substances that promote oxidation. Like you mentioned, boosting it has its risks because there are probably pieces missing that will get in the way of proper oxidation, making the situation worse if the persons forces through.

He commented about their excess reflecting in cells assuming this stressed state and not being able to differentiate and return to normal function. To stabilize a protein it needs to have the hydrogen mobilized (sulfhydryl oxidized to disulfide). It makes me wonder if it's a problem of making the reactions move towards making oxygen available again, which in turn will normalize excess hydrogens, and not so much provide more hydrogens to someone who's having difficulty doing something useful with them.

VVhat am I missing?

After drinking hydrogen water, there is not even lactic acid after exercise. Pilot study: Effects of drinking hydrogen-rich water on muscle fatigue caused by acute exercise in elite athletes
Sugar metabolism depends on antioxidation IMO. Vitamin C and vitamin E are not antioxidants. They are free radicals very close to hydroxyl radical. they need to be reduced to become antioxidants. And ascorbate goes way down in disease states, since body is in alkalosis and ascorbate goes down not to convert dopamine down adrenaline. Since tyrosine is being used for glutathione transferase.

this is why any metal toxicity you get hypothyroid ( since body will use tyrosine to activate glutatione in gst) and also ascorbate will be in oxidized state . Since you will be in alkalosis. Lactic acid in this respect allows you to use fats in case of emergency energetic pressure. so does Co2.

Basically you increase Co2, this will allow adrenaline and this will allow lipids to be oxidized. Most people have impaired mito lipid oxidation.

IMO you simply cant turn off lipid oxidation. Since sugar will never keep you going all on its own. In times of stress, you will always burn protein for energy. And this can create problems. ( ammonia, cancer , etc)

And if you kill cortisol with drugs and kill fats, you will be an ever eating monkey ))) eating like 25 times a day ))

This is why if you eat sugar all the time in huge amounts. You will have low stress tolerance. but if you fast for 30 days. You will be solid as a rock. There will be no stress response. Your tolerance to stress will be much higher than before the fast.

SO I agree, oxidation of sugar should be the main fuel, but lipid oxidation should be present secondary and should be working. and it will be only working if there is no alkalosis , since lipids need adrenaline. And alkalosis will happen only when extra hydrogen goes from NADH to make NADPH for redox reaction. So it is not about NAD NADH ratio, it is more about NADH to NAPDH ratio. You make NADPH instead of NADH in krebs cycle using malate etc when there is too much oxidation since pentose pathway is closed. ( thiamin goes into the urine , not to create free radicals.)

So when you make too much NADPH at the expense of NADH , NADH goes down and it cant donate hydrogen into mitochondria and you have chronic fatique. since there is no waterall like energy out of mito. And body asks for more extra NAD and makes that from tryptophan .

instead of pentose pathway , which makes 12 NADPH. and very effecient, you are stuck with making NADPH in krebs cycle this is why you need to take niacinamide and b vitamins.
The role of malic enzyme as the provider of NADPH in oleaginous microorganisms: a reappraisal and unsolved problems

this is why malic acid increases libido. And detox. and used in liver flushes along with niacin.

 

[Helen]

@gbolduev the reason why orange juice fasts are so effective in healing people is because the orange juice contains high levels of H2 and potassium and vitamin C?

what if liver/copper is not given to a fast oxidizer?

Citric acid is a very good calcium dissolver, so citrus decalcifies many people. Citric acid against calcium phosphates

 

[Amazoniac]

After drinking hydrogen water, there is not even lactic acid after exercise. Pilot study: Effects of drinking hydrogen-rich water on muscle fatigue caused by acute exercise in elite athletes
Sugar metabolism depends on antioxidation IMO. Vitamin C and vitamin E are not antioxidants. They are free radicals very close to hydroxyl radical. they need to be reduced to become antioxidants. And ascorbate goes way down in disease states, since body is in alkalosis and ascorbate goes down not to convert dopamine down adrenaline. Since tyrosine is being used for glutathione transferase.

this is why any metal toxicity you get hypothyroid ( since body will use tyrosine to activate glutatione in gst) and also ascorbate will be in oxidized state . Since you will be in alkalosis. Lactic acid in this respect allows you to use fats in case of emergency energetic pressure. so does Co2.

Basically you increase Co2, this will allow adrenaline and this will allow lipids to be oxidized. Most people have impaired mito lipid oxidation.

IMO you simply cant turn off lipid oxidation. Since sugar will never keep you going all on its own. In times of stress, you will always burn protein for energy. And this can create problems. ( ammonia, cancer , etc)

And if you kill cortisol with drugs and kill fats, you will be an ever eating monkey ))) eating like 25 times a day ))

This is why if you eat sugar all the time in huge amounts. You will have low stress tolerance. but if you fast for 30 days. You will be solid as a rock. There will be no stress response. Your tolerance to stress will be much higher than before the fast.

SO I agree, oxidation of sugar should be the main fuel, but lipid oxidation should be present secondary and should be working. and it will be only working if there is no alkalosis , since lipids need adrenaline. And alkalosis will happen only when extra hydrogen goes from NADH to make NADPH for redox reaction. So it is not about NAD NADH ratio, it is more about NADH to NAPDH ratio. You make NADPH instead of NADH in krebs cycle using malate etc when there is too much oxidation since pentose pathway is closed. ( thiamin goes into the urine , not to create free radicals.)

So when you make too much NADPH at the expense of NADH , NADH goes down and it cant donate hydrogen into mitochondria and you have chronic fatique. since there is no waterall like energy out of mito. And body asks for more extra NAD and makes that from tryptophan .

instead of pentose pathway , which makes 12 NADPH. and very effecient, you are stuck with making NADPH in krebs cycle this is why you need to take niacinamide and b vitamins.
The role of malic enzyme as the provider of NADPH in oleaginous microorganisms: a reappraisal and unsolved problems

this is why malic acid increases libido. And detox. and used in liver flushes along with niacin.

I don't know anything about this water, but sounds interesting and rather surprising because the cancerous fermenting state involves excess hydrogens that are accumulating for not having enough oxidizing agents or being impracticable to mobilize them, combined with the inability to use oxygen. This is why reagents such as Koch's, with a sharp oxidizing power, cause an abrupt change and can revert the cancerous state back to normal. The accumulation is responsible for acidification which in turn forces the body to dump alkaline minerals and sacrifices some parts in favor of the whole, this is what you refer to as alkalosis, right? So it's ultimately a lack of balanced oxidants: nicotinamide, riboflavin, selenium, zinc, vitamin A, etc; to create this stream where hydrogens won't be sitting around creating problems.

I suspect the reason why a person in such state can't benefit from most nutrients as isolated supplements is because all of them are interdependent, so eventually there's a generalized depletion when persisting in such condition. When a specific nutrient is given alone, it's quickly used up without the support for other parts of cycles. It usually ends up making the situation worse.

So it's puzzling how adding more hydrogens doesn't create more problems.
The athletes recover fast from exhaustion, so they're probably very well of the adapteds to stress, but I know there are pimps with metabolic problems that were also studied with good out of the comes as well.

Regarding fasting making a guru less reactive, it's something expected, but kidzords have very high stress tolerances and recover fast, so perhaps it's not a problem with frequent eating, but with not being able to afford it for whatever reason. Oxidation is more complex than fermentation, so it's more susceptible to become compromised when the situation gets fishy.

I remember your discussions with Zeus on Ray Peat of the Forums. I guess the reason why you never reached a consensus is because supplemental thyroid might be able to create this temporary artificial faster metabolism which can give the person an opportunity to correct the state through eating and living differently, however if it doesn't fix the situation in enough time, the person can get worse than before. So it depends. But the main difference between you two is that he believes there can exist maladaptation, whereas you believe such thing doesn't exist, it's just that the conditions weren't met yet.

Gerson dealt with extremely debilitated people and had success with thyroid: it has to have its merits. It will at least reduce the strain of producing your own under chronic stress, elevate body temperature (normalizing some enzymes), and possibly help to normalize this:
"Resetting" The System - Wilson's Syndrome
The extra energy kick can be enough to put the person back on track.

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https://www.hindawi.com/journals/omcl/2011/809696/

"According to principles of electrochemistry antioxidant must be endowed with a reductive property, but except ascorbic acid (vitamin C) and glutathione, there are very few natural substances that have reducing properties [1, 2]."

"The requirement of hydrogen peroxide in the Fenton reaction led to the misleading concept of oxidative stress that ignores the fact that hydroxyl radical (OH), known to be the most biologically active free radical, is formed in vivo under hypoxic conditions [11]."

"In addition to the essential role of hypoxic/reducing conditions for the in vivo generation of hydroxyl radicals, there is another important, although not generally recognized, factor namely free iron present in blood in the so called labile iron pool [12]. It was suggested some years ago that iron therapy might promote the formation of hydroxyl radicals thus contributing to atherosclerosis [13, 14]. In connection with this, it is of importance to note that excessive accumulation of stored iron is observed in atherosclerotic lesion [15] as well as in brains patients with neurological diseases [16]. In his paper with 136 references, Brewer reviewed the roles of both iron and copper in aging-related diseases [17]. More recently, another comprehensive review of the role of iron in degenerative diseases was published [18]. The close relationship between iron overload and pathogenesis of chronic disease can be explained in terms of the iron-induced hydroxyl radical generation and subsequent deposition of a fibrin-like material in various organs."

"In addition to the aforementioned substances, certain biologically active agents containing phenolic rings have the capacity to scavenge hydroxyl radicals by virtue of aromatic hydroxylation at the orthoposition. One of such recently discovered scavengers is resveratrol shown to have a protective effect on ischemia-induced cerebral neuron damage [38]. Salicylates, that belong to the class of drugs with available orthoposition at their phenolic ring, have also been demonstrated to protect against free radical injury in vitro [39] and in vivo [40]. The beneficial effect of salicylic acid in diabetes mellitus was first observed almost 100 years ago [41]. In addition, significant reduction of a risk of myocardial infarctions in diabetic patients has been attributed to the hydroxyl radicals scavenging activity of salicylates [42]. Cardiovascular consequences of excessive hydroxyl radical production in diabetic nephropathy may be explained in terms of their modification of fibrinogen molecule that becomes deposited in kidneys in the form of fibrin-like aggregates [43]. Protective effect against hydroxyl radical-induced damage in biological systems has been documented by the use of natural polyene and polyphenol class of substances, such as flavonoids, present mostly in fruits and vegetables [44, 45]. Also, hydroxyl radicals scavenging of double bonds present in quercetin may explain its beneficial effects on the modification of LDL molecule [46], similarly to the action of phenolic compounds in virgin olive [47]."

 

[Helen]

@Amazoniac

We dont know about all of this. We are just guessing, but here is my guess.

I have no idea what you are taking about excess hydrogen. Hydrogen is being spent in cancer to make NADH, since NADH is being used to make NADPH. instead of pentos. This is why if you give H2. this allows the body to go from alkalosis to normal state and puts oxygen into the cell. In alkalotic state oxygen is bound onto hemoglobin more tightly. There is no oxygen delivery , since there is no free hydrogen. All hydrogen is being used up in NADPH and NADH . And those are being used up to recycle stuff.( since thiamine is not allowed.) thiamine would have made 12 NADPH in pentose. but instead NADPH is made with malate and NADH. This is why you need extra NAD constantly in cancer , and extra Hydrogen, to make NADH. to have any kind of energy. If there is no NADH , then there is no delivery of hydrogen into mito. No hydrogen in mito, there is no energy there. NO waterfall. This is why you get chronic fatique.

I do think in cancer body chemitry body is asking for more NAD. and all if it wil be turned into NADPH and NADH if needed. that is what happening/







Cancer state is when you can not use NADPH and create it in pentose pathway. And same as in diabetes you lose thiamine into the urine. in diabetes thiamine and zinc are lost in the urine. It is not a deficiency it is regulation. Sugar delivery into the cell is CLOSED on purpose. Why? since there is a problem with some antioxidant system. Mainly SOD. or peroxide enzymes. Diabetes is lack of and histidine selenium cystein.. and glutathione. This is why metabolism is closed down, Same happens in cancer.

When glutathione transferase upregulated in some mercury or other toxicities or when there is too little MT you lose tyrosine and serine since it is needed to activate glutathione. transferase. You also lose glutathione. When you go down on tyrosine , your thyroid is down. So body is switching off thyroid not to create more oxidative stress, since if glutathione transferase is upregulated that means glutatione peroxidase is down. Since it is simply missing glutathione and selenocysteine . since glutathione transferase took all of it. If glutatione peroxidase is down, you end of with hydrogen peroxide. and sugar metabolism closes down. Since SODs creates hydrogen peroxide.

Selenium and riboflavin ARE NOT pro oxidants , they are main ANTIOXIDANTS. that is what I am talking about, And I recommend all of them in my protocol.

NADPH is not sitting around )) If NADPH would be available you would have high testosterone low cholesterol. but sick people have little testosterone and high cholesterol. NADPH Is what converts cholesterol into pregnenolone)) This is why when it is used for antioxidation in cases of free metals toxicities, all your steroids go down, or if you eat too much sugar - same happens. since it will be used excessively.

When you create oxydative stress, NAD to NADH ratio will get worse.)) why would it sit around. IF Peat says that NAD to NADH is already low. Then how feeding superoxide will make that ratio backwards)) low NAD and NADH ratio is in oxidative stress. So how adding more oxidative stress will increase this ratio. If there is a need for NADH , NAD will always be all used up. This is why body super activates IDO. And this causes depression since actually serotonin is low. Now those people get put on SSRIs.


Feeding nicotinamide, B vitamins , selenium , cysteine. Provides antioxidation. And this allows oxydation.

Selenium gets rid of hydrogen peroxide. It is the main antioxidant( glutathione peroxidase is on selenium) ., Riboflavin recycles glutathione via NADPH along with thiamine, that keeps glutathione in the reduced state. When the body can break down hydrogen peroxide , it allows to run SODS., if it is allowed to run SODS, it is allowed to turn on oxygen. And all problems go away

I tell people to take all SODS components, and all glutathione enzymes components. THOSE components are all what thyroid activation insulin activation and sugar activation consists off.

And as I said, everything you feed for oxydation or you say so . Must be a component of anxioxidation. . This is why you look at components of the down the line antioxidation enzymes. And all those components will be components of the chain of oxidation.

As an example. Insulin is made with copper zinc and histidine and cysteine and aspartate. SODS are made with copper zinc histidine cystein and aspartate. SO if one component of SOD is down. insulin will disappear.

For instance, glutathione peroxidase is made with selenocysteine and activated by glutathione and glutathione is recycled by ribo and thiamine. So if you miss selenium , then glutathione peroxidase will be down. And your t4 to t3 conversion goes down. Since D1 enzyme is selenocysteine enzyme. And your thyroid is switched off .

SO feeding all these things is mainly feeding antioxidant systems. Which then allows you to go into sugar oxydation and create superoxide and immune response .


Basically you have to look at the end of the metabolism to see what you need and there you will see all the things that are needed to promote oxydation.

Hydrogen water cured cancer in 3 people who I know. Hydrogen peroxide and ozone, just killed tumors in them . They tried it , works for tumors, but they come back. Cancer is not tumors. Cancer is the body chemistry. Tumors are also killed with oxidation with chemotherapy. but then what happens)) As I always say if you do oxidative chemotherapy , you are pretty much dead. Laser therapy also does that.

After chemo all your tumors come back 5 times usually since all your antioxidant enzymes went down. SO you created extra immune response and killed the tumor in the moment. But how is that a fix.




I think in cancer patients it is good to implement first huge oxydative therapy to kill the bugs with ozone. And drink hydrogen at the same time. And feed all the components of antioxidant systems and detox systems. Those components will always be the components of pro oxidant systems.


As far as hydroxyl radicals. Yes they can be created even in hypoxic conditions, but mainly are created with peroxide. Free iron is a bad guy , same as free copper. When do iron and copper get free? lack if glutathione and mt. This is why those are activated in cancer. And this causes growth of stuff. Since MT and glutathione transferase consume all glutathione for the purpose of the detox. ANd there is none left for glutatione peroxidase. And this kills all sugar metabolism. Since if there is too much peroxide , body closes down all the stuff that makes it. And that is SODS. if SODS go down. insulin goes down. No sugar delivery into the cell and stuff starts growing and protein is being used for energy slowing getting you intoxicated in ammonia.



But you are also can be correct saying that super oxidative therapy , might upregulate the Glutathione enzymes. And this will then after you finish the oxidative therapy have more antioxidation action and allow oxygen delivery. ( so some short term ozone is good) Chemoteraphy proves it wrong though. Laser therapy also proves it wrong. Those are the things that cause oxidative stress. If they were good for you , they would be curing stuff. but they dont. they just deal with tumors. My wife had laser and chemo. It was crazy what happened in half a year. Metabolism crashed. tumors regrew all over and she died. same happens with ozone. Once you go off ozone tumor regrow and actually regrow faster. Since ozone made you lose even more thiamine and zinc in the urine.

People think if they take thyroid they can bypass this. How? body will just stop all the conversion of vitamins to its active forms. And also will take potassium out of the cell, and put tons of calcium in it. Just look at Raincoast hairtest)) see what happened to him after Peat. He took thyroid. Peat said that thyroid will cause low calcium)) Nope. thyroid will cause high calcium since body will be fighting it.

Peat does not rec zinc by the way. It is antiPeat, so raincoast was eating tons of copper , with having low thyroid. See what happened on his hairtest. This is typical body chemistry I have seen after Peating. WE have numerous hairtests like that. And now after feeding right things for this metabolism. Raincoast is cured of diabetes, CFS , PFS and all other things.


In any case, it is all trial and error at this point. Also there are many different people some are with too much oxidation and some are too slow oxidation. Slow and fast oxidizers. This is why we do haitests and see what those people need.



Look at Antonio. He was totally screwed up. tried all kinds of things. thyroids, oxygen, canabis , hydrogen peroxide.

 

[Amazoniac]

@Amazoniac

We dont know about all of this. We are just guessing, but here is my guess.

I have no idea what you are taking about excess hydrogen. Hydrogen is being spent in cancer to make NADH, since NADH is being used to make NADPH. instead of pentos. This is why if you give H2. this allows the body to go from alkalosis to normal state and puts oxygen into the cell. In alkalotic state oxygen is bound onto hemoglobin more tightly. There is no oxygen delivery , since there is no free hydrogen. All hydrogen is being used up in NADPH and NADH . And those are being used up to recycle stuff.( since thiamine is not allowed.) thiamine would have made 12 NADPH in pentose. but instead NADPH is made with malate and NADH. This is why you need extra NAD constantly in cancer , and extra Hydrogen, to make NADH. to have any kind of energy. If there is no NADH , then there is no delivery of hydrogen into mito. No hydrogen in mito, there is no energy there. NO waterfall. This is why you get chronic fatique.

I do think in cancer body chemitry body is asking for more NAD. and all if it wil be turned into NADPH and NADH if needed. that is what happening/







Cancer state is when you can not use NADPH and create it in pentose pathway. And same as in diabetes you lose thiamine into the urine. in diabetes thiamine and zinc are lost in the urine. It is not a deficiency it is regulation. Sugar delivery into the cell is CLOSED on purpose. Why? since there is a problem with some antioxidant system. Mainly SOD. or peroxide enzymes. Diabetes is lack of and histidine selenium cystein.. and glutathione. This is why metabolism is closed down, Same happens in cancer.

When glutathione transferase upregulated in some mercury or other toxicities or when there is too little MT you lose tyrosine and serine since it is needed to activate glutathione. transferase. You also lose glutathione. When you go down on tyrosine , your thyroid is down. So body is switching off thyroid not to create more oxidative stress, since if glutathione transferase is upregulated that means glutatione peroxidase is down. Since it is simply missing glutathione and selenocysteine . since glutathione transferase took all of it. If glutatione peroxidase is down, you end of with hydrogen peroxide. and sugar metabolism closes down. Since SODs creates hydrogen peroxide.

Selenium and riboflavin ARE NOT pro oxidants , they are main ANTIOXIDANTS. that is what I am talking about, And I recommend all of them in my protocol.

NADPH is not sitting around )) If NADPH would be available you would have high testosterone low cholesterol. but sick people have little testosterone and high cholesterol. NADPH Is what converts cholesterol into pregnenolone)) This is why when it is used for antioxidation in cases of free metals toxicities, all your steroids go down, or if you eat too much sugar - same happens. since it will be used excessively.

When you create oxydative stress, NAD to NADH ratio will get worse.)) why would it sit around. IF Peat says that NAD to NADH is already low. Then how feeding superoxide will make that ratio backwards)) low NAD and NADH ratio is in oxidative stress. So how adding more oxidative stress will increase this ratio. If there is a need for NADH , NAD will always be all used up. This is why body super activates IDO. And this causes depression since actually serotonin is low. Now those people get put on SSRIs.


Feeding nicotinamide, B vitamins , selenium , cysteine. Provides antioxidation. And this allows oxydation.

Selenium gets rid of hydrogen peroxide. It is the main antioxidant( glutathione peroxidase is on selenium) ., Riboflavin recycles glutathione via NADPH along with thiamine, that keeps glutathione in the reduced state. When the body can break down hydrogen peroxide , it allows to run SODS., if it is allowed to run SODS, it is allowed to turn on oxygen. And all problems go away

I tell people to take all SODS components, and all glutathione enzymes components. THOSE components are all what thyroid activation insulin activation and sugar activation consists off.

And as I said, everything you feed for oxydation or you say so . Must be a component of anxioxidation. . This is why you look at components of the down the line antioxidation enzymes. And all those components will be components of the chain of oxidation.

As an example. Insulin is made with copper zinc and histidine and cysteine and aspartate. SODS are made with copper zinc histidine cystein and aspartate. SO if one component of SOD is down. insulin will disappear.

For instance, glutathione peroxidase is made with selenocysteine and activated by glutathione and glutathione is recycled by ribo and thiamine. So if you miss selenium , then glutathione peroxidase will be down. And your t4 to t3 conversion goes down. Since D1 enzyme is selenocysteine enzyme. And your thyroid is switched off .

SO feeding all these things is mainly feeding antioxidant systems. Which then allows you to go into sugar oxydation and create superoxide and immune response .


Basically you have to look at the end of the metabolism to see what you need and there you will see all the things that are needed to promote oxydation.

Hydrogen water cured cancer in 3 people who I know. Hydrogen peroxide and ozone, just killed tumors in them . They tried it , works for tumors, but they come back. Cancer is not tumors. Cancer is the body chemistry. Tumors are also killed with oxidation with chemotherapy. but then what happens)) As I always say if you do oxidative chemotherapy , you are pretty much dead. Laser therapy also does that.

After chemo all your tumors come back 5 times usually since all your antioxidant enzymes went down. SO you created extra immune response and killed the tumor in the moment. But how is that a fix.




I think in cancer patients it is good to implement first huge oxydative therapy to kill the bugs with ozone. And drink hydrogen at the same time. And feed all the components of antioxidant systems and detox systems. Those components will always be the components of pro oxidant systems.


As far as hydroxyl radicals. Yes they can be created even in hypoxic conditions, but mainly are created with peroxide. Free iron is a bad guy , same as free copper. When do iron and copper get free? lack if glutathione and mt. This is why those are activated in cancer. And this causes growth of stuff. Since MT and glutathione transferase consume all glutathione for the purpose of the detox. ANd there is none left for glutatione peroxidase. And this kills all sugar metabolism. Since if there is too much peroxide , body closes down all the stuff that makes it. And that is SODS. if SODS go down. insulin goes down. No sugar delivery into the cell and stuff starts growing and protein is being used for energy slowing getting you intoxicated in ammonia.



But you are also can be correct saying that super oxidative therapy , might upregulate the Glutathione enzymes. And this will then after you finish the oxidative therapy have more antioxidation action and allow oxygen delivery. ( so some short term ozone is good) Chemoteraphy proves it wrong though. Laser therapy also proves it wrong. Those are the things that cause oxidative stress. If they were good for you , they would be curing stuff. but they dont. they just deal with tumors. My wife had laser and chemo. It was crazy what happened in half a year. Metabolism crashed. tumors regrew all over and she died. same happens with ozone. Once you go off ozone tumor regrow and actually regrow faster. Since ozone made you lose even more thiamine and zinc in the urine.

People think if they take thyroid they can bypass this. How? body will just stop all the conversion of vitamins to its active forms. And also will take potassium out of the cell, and put tons of calcium in it. Just look at Raincoast hairtest)) see what happened to him after Peat. He took thyroid. Peat said that thyroid will cause low calcium)) Nope. thyroid will cause high calcium since body will be fighting it.

Peat does not rec zinc by the way. It is antiPeat, so raincoast was eating tons of copper , with having low thyroid. See what happened on his hairtest. This is typical body chemistry I have seen after Peating. WE have numerous hairtests like that. And now after feeding right things for this metabolism. Raincoast is cured of diabetes, CFS , PFS and all other things.


In any case, it is all trial and error at this point. Also there are many different people some are with too much oxidation and some are too slow oxidation. Slow and fast oxidizers. This is why we do haitests and see what those people need.



Look at Antonio. He was totally screwed up. tried all kinds of things. thyroids, oxygen, canabis , hydrogen peroxide.

Thank you a lot)) I'll try to make sense of it.

You know what I was finding confusing? If food provides an abundance of hydrogens or whatever source of electrons, how could providing more of them be something beneficial when it seems that it's a problem of insufficient carriers to transfer those, and this actually being responsible for energy being wasted in a less efficient and more probable vvay?

You're probably right in this: the body is creating a massive amount of oxidative stress to get rid of the problem and revert the isolated part back to normal, perhaps by sacrificing some parts and creating some damage in the process.

Electron donors such as hydrogen sulfide (possibly just like molecular hydrogen*) can inactivate Alberto's (not the one above, the Saints of the Györgyies) and Koch's reagents, which happen to be strong and reactive electron acceptors. So perhaps it's possible that these get in the way of reverting normal functioning in the cancerous state and just like you mentioned, at first it might be wise to boost the oxidative stress, just like these two bosses theorized (and did).

*"H2 is now considered as a signaling gaseous molecule with physiological functions similar to that of nitric oxide (NO), carbon monoxide (CO), and H2S (Kajimura et al., 2012)."

Based on what I read from Chris, Master and john, and other shamans, selenium in the range you've suggested will boost the oxidative stress, especially in inorganic forms. Even a slight excess (200mcg of selenomethionine) is enough to be noticeable over time in groups of gurus who were taking it. What do you think of this?

And also, what do you think about magnesium sulfate possibly depleting molybdenum* and flushing other important minerals? I know it's supposed to help with detoxification and people report feeling relaxed, but if done chronically the story might be different.
*"Copper exerts its antagonistic effect on molybdenum only in the presence of adequate dietary sulfate [24]."
By the way, tyw (a sophisticated prince that happens to be a forum member) believes that manganese and molybdenum are responsible for solving his under of the methylation issues.

 

[Amazoniac]

A Cancer Therapy By Max Gerson - Selected Parts
"The oxidation mechanism includes very definitely [] both vitamins B1 and B2. Vitamin B1 is a Thyol-pyrrol-pyrimidine derivative. Its molecule contains five unsaturated unions between carbon atoms. Its structure suggests possibility of being a pro-nucleic acid derivative, and its function is tied up with that of nervous system. Its deficiency causes beri-beri, a disease showing peripheral neuritis and paralysis, suppressed heart action, and diminished oxidation with lactic acid accumulation in the brain. Pyruvic acid accumulates in the blood, and brain tissue slices use less oxygen than normal brain slices. Addition of the vitamin to the slices immediately raises the oxidations to normal and its administration to animals showing deficiency immediately corrects the total pathology. Thus this vitamin is definitely an oxidation agent. It may function thus directly by virtue of its several unsaturated unions between carbon atoms and between carbon and nitrogen atoms. It possesses [thanks for the "Brain possessor" idea for the next quote] an amino group that can very easily be replaced by an oxygen atom thus producing a carbonyl group able to serve as an oxidation carrier. It may also serve the oxidation mechanism indirectly as a building unit for the production of nucleic acid.
B2 the anti-pellagra substance [1939 book] is probably a flavine derivative containing five double bonds and two carbonyl groups and pentose attached to a meso-nitrogen atom in nucleotide fashion. Thus it resembles Warburg's yellow pigment, a hydrogen acceptor in the presence of dehydrogenase co-enzyme. If the structure so far suggested is correct this body too functions in the oxidation mechanism, which its carbonyl groups may serve as carriers. [Thiamine was the first to be discovered, so it probably had much more literature on it back then. I suspect that Niacin wasn't discovered first because it's so important that there are many ways to conserve, generate or regenerate its NAD coenzyme]
Thus the vitamins fit into the body chemistry much like the hormones and may replace them in some respects, for instance, tachysterol parathyroid and suprarenal hormone are interchangeable in calcium fixing activity. Moreowaaaa, under natural living conditions where a man exercises and perspires in the sunlight, he manufactures his own ergosterol (which otherwise is only built up in fungi and fish), and he converts this substance into vitamin D, and its further calcium-fixing irradiation products. But excessive irradiation may contribute carcinogenic properties."

If you haven't already, I suggest you to check out Travisord's posts. He used to be my personal guru, but I had to accept that being a coach for the entire community is much better. ♡

 

[ruprmurdoch]

People think if they take thyroid they can bypass this. How? body will just stop all the conversion of vitamins to its active forms. And also will take potassium out of the cell, and put tons of calcium in it. Just look at Raincoast hairtest)) see what happened to him after Peat. He took thyroid. Peat said that thyroid will cause low calcium)) Nope. thyroid will cause high calcium since body will be fighting it.

If someone dont have thyroid beacuse of surgery and is taking thyroxine (T4), do you think the same mechanism you described above is involved ?