Critical view of cdsnuts!

[MNK99]

Like anything in life (people can call me cynical but I've seen it in multiple countries, friends, enemies, and strangers alike), people hate to see other people succeed. Not all people, not the people on here, I'm saying in general. They also have cognitive dissonance between what they think is "the right path" (whatever path they're on) and what others are doing, and they don't want to be shaken. Change is difficult, but essential. Life is change. People can only try and be who they feel they need to be, regardless of what others want them to be.

RE: @Walker said: "Most of this post is copy and pasted from two individuals who are total fucking morons, pvdl and xptriado. They have no good points other than slander - CDs recovered, as have I, they are still miserable. Who do you want to listen to?

Move along."

-True, true. That's the correct course of action. I did this last nite, but wasted my spare time just now lol. But I don't want others to feel like crap reading threads like this or whatever.

 

[Cdsnuts]

I've read a lot here about cdsnuts and a lot of people who follow him. I don't wanna be too negative in this thread, it's just that I've also seen very bad things about him in other forums.
I personally tried his protocol for 11 months and I've never seen changes. But I've lost a lot of money and energy.
People here are so depressed that it's easy to catch them for such a (expensive) protocol.

Here is just a quote of the propecialhelp-forum:

-CDSNUTS mostly posts links to websites designed as informercials, which sell some sort of health-related product

-CDSNUTS most posted websites have programs of Affiliate Marketing (more on
this below)

-CDSNUTS is an Affiliate of Lostempireherbs

-CDSNUTS has been posting about his Affiliate's products since he first joined the PFS community in 2008.

-CDSNUTS agressively markets his affiliates products.

-CDSNUTS affiliates also use themselves AGGRESSIVE SELLING techniques to push their products for sale

-CDSNUTS never posts anything of sound scientific, evidence based content

-CDSNUTS links to websites of poorly researched content, they dont even rank high in Google Search. The content of these websites is clearly directed at selling irresponsibly their items, while bashing out on proven medical treatments for easy to solve conditions such as hypogonadism, and very serious conditions such as cancer!
This is the hallmark of any health scam and CDSNUTS actively supports them!!

-CDSNUTS in 2010 claimed to never having tested Testosterone even though he claimed to have PFS. A testosterone exam is usually the first thing a doctor orders
CDSNUTS is/was very likely hypogonadal, even before finasteride, and has been on HRT the whole time he claimed to be recovering naturally from PFS with the products he advertises (please see the last post).for his low testosterone levels (which he did check)

There is a whole critical thread about him in propeciahelp:

Is cdnuts a fraud? : General

I'm not saying that all he says is wrong and false, I just want to tell you that maybe we should stay critical about him.

I hope this thread will not be deleted.

I'm probably going to regret responding to this....I don't usually waste my time.

But most everything you're saying is false.....completely. I didn't even have a website or affiliates in 2008. I was still suffering then. I WAS NOT hypogonadal before finasteride.....lol. That's another beauty. I could go on, but I don't have the time.

You know you're doing something right when the haters start to come out.

I highly doubt you were doing the protocol correctly if you did it for 11 months and noticed nothing. Out of the hundreds and hundreds of guys I've helped along the way, that would be a first.

Most people that have something negative to say, have never even bothered to try the protocol.

Do yourself a favor. Go through ALL of my propecia help posts....all one thousand of them...from the time I joined the forum, until the end. Then you can go onto Swole source and see how that developed over time, organically.

Every post is time and date stamped. So unless I'm a marketing genius and am playing the long con.....you know.....all ten years worth.....well, you know where this is going

If you're critical of the protocol, here is a simple piece of advice.....don't do it.

I would also invite you to read the recoveries.

You guys have said everything else that needs to be said.....Thanks!

 

[BeLikeWater]

In my opinion CDnuts is very probably somekind of scammer/liar, he follow a pattern that I have met previosly in my life experience, yeah probably he is and he is making money from it, maybe he dont had pfs ans just found an opportunity for winning money, anyways I will not waste my time investigating it while he dont do harm (that he will not), this kind of scammers always stays in the safe zone they are clever, its so obvious that I will not discuss my subjective opinions with anyone, but yeah..

 

[BeLikeWater]

Btw I think he was fake way before people started to realize something was wrong with him.

 

[Walker]

In my opinion CDnuts is very probably somekind of scammer/liar, he follow a pattern that I have met previosly in my life experience, yeah probably he is and he is making money from it, maybe he dont had pfs ans just found an opportunity for winning money, anyways I will not waste my time investigating it while he dont do harm (that he will not), this kind of scammers always stays in the safe zone they are clever, its so obvious that I will not discuss my subjective opinions with anyone, but yeah..

I would say that you probably know a lot about "this type of scammer" and a "pattern" that YOU followed earlier in your own life. You literally tried to sell people on SolvePFS your help on "your protocol" which primarily was taking anything that you could do a simple Google search and find, or as you call them "5ar activators". You literally wanted THOUSANDS of USD to assist people when you weren't even cured yourself! How's that for a scammer?

Once that didn't work out, you decided to spread nonsense and join the "Foundation or Hell" crew over there. You don't wanna discuss your opinions because you have nothing to discuss - you're not choosing not to, you literally have nothing to state because you are a total hypocrite. AT LEAST pvdl and xptriado stick to their (misinformed) guns.

Which brings me to my next question - you clearly don't believe this can be cured, you don't believe anyone has ever recovered, and you don't believe the theories presented on this site nor others related to the cause (Swole Source), so why are you here? All of your posts are horrendously misguided and of no use for members who find their way here looking for optimism and a way out.

 

[BeLikeWater]

I would say that you probably know a lot about "this type of scammer" and a "pattern" that YOU followed earlier in your own life. You literally tried to sell people on SolvePFS your help on "your protocol" which primarily was taking anything that you could do a simple Google search and find, or as you call them "5ar activators". You literally wanted THOUSANDS of USD to assist people when you weren't even cured yourself! How's that for a scammer?

Once that didn't work out, you decided to spread nonsense and join the "Foundation or Hell" crew over there. You don't wanna discuss your opinions because you have nothing to discuss - you're not choosing not to, you literally have nothing to state because you are a total hypocrite. AT LEAST pvdl and xptriado stick to their (misinformed) guns.

Which brings me to my next question - you clearly don't believe this can be cured, you don't believe anyone has ever recovered, and you don't believe the theories presented on this site nor others related to the cause (Swole Source), so why are you here? All of your posts are horrendously misguided and of no use for members who find their way here looking for optimism and a way out.

Man im not going to replicate any of your manipulative statements. I have never earned a single dollar trying to help other. But yes I remember years ago in a bad crisis I remember trying to change consultations via skype for money, yeah thats not scam and I really forgot it very soon. As I said you are all lies and manipulations. I dont change my opinion at all.

 

[vicecaz]

In my opinion CDnuts is very probably somekind of scammer/liar, he follow a pattern that I have met previosly in my life experience, yeah probably he is and he is making money from it, maybe he dont had pfs ans just found an opportunity for winning money, anyways I will not waste my time investigating it while he dont do harm (that he will not), this kind of scammers always stays in the safe zone they are clever, its so obvious that I will not discuss my subjective opinions with anyone, but yeah..

" probably " " maybe " .. why don't you just take the time to " investigate it " before talking like this; you obviously haven't spent more than 3 minutes " investigating " cd's posts over the last years and his works, as well as the results others got on Swolesource. Only then you would understand . Otherwise you should be concerned that you might have some PFS-induced issue making proper conclusions; :rire:
I couldn't care less if the affiliate links he uses make him a bit of money, as long as the information and supports he provide is more than helpful, and it really is ; what he earns isn't even worth a fraction of his work

 

[Niles]

It's honestly sad to see these conspiracy theories here on hackstasis. Anyone in their right mind who reads through @Cdsnuts post history on propeciahelp, or sees the amount of time and energy he puts into helping people through PFS FOR FREE, without pushing products, would come to the conclusion that he has been through and overcome what we are going through and wants to see others do the same.

That said, these people clearly aren't in their right minds, and I can sympathize with that. PFS can create a level of desperation, hopelessness, and victim mentality in these people because it's hard for them to accept that others have beaten the illness while they continue to suffer. Especially when they have been suffering for many years. If there's anything positive to glean from these people, it's a cautionary tale. Recovery cannot happen for someone with a victim mentality.

 

[BeLikeWater]

Scam i

" probably " " maybe " .. why don't you just take the time to " investigate it " before talking like this; you obviously haven't spent more than 3 minutes " investigating " cd's posts over the last years and his works, as well as the results others got on Swolesource. Only then you would understand . Otherwise you should be concerned that you might have some PFS-induced issue making proper conclusions; :rire:
I couldn't care less if the affiliate links he uses make him a bit of money, as long as the information and supports he provide is more than helpful, and it really is ; what he earns isn't even worth a fraction of his work

Man its about patterns... im sure im right, i was not surprised at all when the discussion came out. I will put my money on it. He anyways added value to the forums. Did he cured from pfs? I doubt. Do his protocol add something valuable to our knowdledge? Very little Is he interested in wining money in a subtle not open way? Hell yeah. If you dont see that you arenblind!

 

[Walker]

Man im not going to replicate any of your manipulative statements. I have never earned a single dollar trying to help other. But yes I remember years ago in a bad crisis I remember trying to change consultations via skype for money, yeah thats not scam and I really forgot it very soon. As I said you are all lies and manipulations. I dont change my opinion at all.

I'm all "lies" and "manipulation" but you just admitted to trying to make money off of people suffering with nothing to provide them for their money. How was anything I said manipulative? It was literally the truth word for word and better yet, you confirmed it - there's no manipulation involved. That's the problem when you're a hypocrite, you hang yourself.

Do you read what you post before you do it? You just accuse me of shit with no source or proof - yet, I'm providing facts for things you've done that you admit to. How again does that make me the bad guy?

 

[noprop]

I dont understand the whole attacking: no one is forced to do cdnuts protocol. You even can try it cause there is all information for free.

I was attacked on solve cause I said de need to analyse possible coexistent diseases like leaky gut, lyme, parasites, intoxification due to super low gluth.levels we all have. I researxhed for months every day to finally find the Goldstandard.

Guess what: I got my treatments (IV detox/frequence machine...) and beat anhedonia / exhausting / memory issues within weeks. Those morons could not believe.

We are a Team, even if someone passes away. Best

 

[BeLikeWater]

I'm all "lies" and "manipulation" but you just admitted to trying to make money off of people suffering with nothing to provide them for their money. How was anything I said manipulative? It was literally the truth word for word and better yet, you confirmed it - there's no manipulation involved. That's the problem when you're a hypocrite, you hang yourself.

Do you read what you post before you do it? You just accuse me of shit with no source or proof - yet, I'm providing facts for things you've done that you admit to. How again does that make me the bad guy?

Hell yeah I admitted to change information via skype for money, something Inreally considered valuable for novices, i have lots of information accumulated. Thats not a scam bro, thats an open announcement of a service, i didnt had one client, so you cant measure neither if the service was worth the money, so you are trying to manipulate peoples opinions very clearly. I did that also as an emergency resoirce to pay the bills, i got the money and you havent see me offereing it again, do you? Learn the scam meaning in dictionary ..

 

[Walker]

Hell yeah I admitted to change information via skype for money, something Inreally considered valuable for novices, i have lots of information accumulated. Thats not a scam bro, thats an open announcement of a service, i didnt had one client, so you cant measure neither if the service was worth the money, so you are trying to manipulate peoples opinions very clearly. I did that also as an emergency resoirce to pay the bills, i got the money and you havent see me offereing it again, do you? Learn the scam meaning in dictionary ..

I know what the "scam meaning" is.

Your information wasn't valuable for anyone and you wanted 2,000 USD for it. I'd say that's a scam.

Have a good night bud, I'm sure the sun is always shining at your house.

 

[TubZy]

I dont understand the whole attacking: no one is forced to do cdnuts protocol. You even can try it cause there is all information for free.

I was attacked on solve cause I said de need to analyse possible coexistent diseases like leaky gut, lyme, parasites, intoxification due to super low gluth.levels we all have. I researxhed for months every day to finally find the Goldstandard.

Guess what: I got my treatments (IV detox/frequence machine...) and beat anhedonia / exhausting / memory issues within weeks. Those morons could not believe.

We are a Team, even if someone passes away. Best

It is all of the idiots from solve PFS/PH forum that are trying to start crap because they are mad no one is donating to the foundation. So what they do instead is hate on every other site/forum and try to force you into their way of thinking and making you feel hopeless by doing whatever it takes (sad really). You would think they would just leave you be and let you go on your own route, but for some reason you are not allowed to do that. Solve PFS is dead and everyone got banned who wanted to act on their own way about things rather than pay a monthly donation to some foundation.

 

[noprop]

Great post. I noticed other guys having own ideas were attacked, too. Hm, the more people are struck, the more possible clients you might have for a cure. Have you noticed the cure development section on pfsfoundation?
Of course, I will support them and would pay a lot for a treatment...

 

[MNK99]

Fuck a foundation, I'm not on some Bipolar/ADHD foundation, asthma foundation, never used a PSSD foundation, won't use a PFS foundation.
SURE, if they cured things -- I'd be very happy that they could help ppl....
BUT, seems extraordinarily unlikely. Mathematically impossible, given how drugs and research in medicine is done (coming from someone with Ivy League Pharma, Med, etc, family members).

School told me won't graduate, people told me I'd be dead for this and that thing... I didn't protest and picket, handled shyt like a man and moved on. Even not handling things well, and having constant stress --- I did well.... despite doubters. So people shouldn't continuously try and pick apart possible soln's and rain on other's paths.
I was told I won't get into law school... if needed I will prove them wrong (they told lots of ppl all kinds of things, bad administration). People shouldn't let what others say mess up their day and their hustle, plans, whatever.

-Actually: I shouldn't be too mad at the foundation, but that anger should rather be directed towards people that use it's existence to deter people from finding other (actual, practical) solutions.

- @BeLikeWater, Pvdl and the like, you can't win against me in argumentation . Criminal law spanning 100 years runs through my veins. I don't even try on here. I save my energy to fight in real life, offline.
Let alone manipulation (if I was so inclined, it would be super easy). So what's your purpose on this site ? To bring others down. Miserable people love miserable company.

 

[noprop]

...how drugs and research in medicine is done...: very wise words.
Maybe they are looking for a treatment, not a cure. More money.
I asked on solve: who will develop the treatment/drug and pay the studies for a FDA approved way? HM...

 

[MNK99]

Part of the reason I say some drugs aren't bad. (super old drugs, before they were all profiteering and hiding information from studies).
Anyone doubting this, look up SJS from anticonvulsants, including carbamazepine, Lamotrigine, and look up how Psychiatrists hid the information, that they can cause that, and are ineffectual as mood stabilizers. Look up how Fin was developed (I'm sure lots here have). Etc, etc.
Studies on Pubmed, showing on net: Antidepressants no better than placebo. All the murders and school shootings after mass adoption of those antidepressants....
Etc, etc.

Drugs that aren't bad (some may disagree, and obviously cartels and drug wars are bad): Test, D-amp, Some nootropics, Cocaine, Coca tea, etc.
Minus the war on drugs, and shooting or smoking it, cocaine never hurt anyone like Fin, Duta, etc did. Yes cartels and drug wars and shootings... but, the gov't and international policing is involved. Don't believe me? Look up Iran Contra, Alpo Martinez, Rick Ross, etx.

Why did Adderall replace Dexedrine, and later Vyvanse as the ADD med of choice? Bc they're better? Hell no. Patent Law, post drug marketing, stigma.

-Disclaimer: Cocaine is super addictive mentally, and not a fun thing after a while (I hear), and extremely bad for relationships and what not....
-Also: I quit that and alcohol (super addicted to it for a while in early 20's) easier than solving PFS. With zero help.
-Looked younger and healthier post PSSD, while on drugs, and all messed up (and probably "crazy"). -- so looked younger on substances of abuse, than when I was actually younger, on their prescribed bs.

Shortages of meds like Dex, adderall - they're controlled by the DEA (and similar organizations), it's artificial movement along the demand curve. Restricted supply, it's not cuz the'yre so bad. Kind of like monetary expansion and tightening the money supply (in macro).
Can they mess up a person's life? Yes, so can cars, ice, cold weather, dumb choices, sex, alcohol, smoking, being lazy, eating badly, having dumb friends, and believing what the masses of society believe in.

-I had a great point... messed up a little bc of editing/add.

 

[tisho1012]

We are all looking for a way to get out of this hell though! CDnuts could be a scammer, but what if he is not? No one knows the answer of this question, simply because from PFS to PFS there is huge differece. Some guys have one kind of symptoms than others and something that helped to some of them won't necessarily help to the others. At the end of the day we should try everything as there is no official cure for that condition, and yeah, no one is obligated to follow his protocols... If you don't like it just don't follow it, simple as that! I remember at Solvepfs website there was one geezer, don't really remember his nickname, he said literally that... Do not follow any of those natural remedies, just donate cash to the fondation and wait for the research! I was like WTF? First of all, we got fucked from the same people that are trying to help us now, so why the fuck sould I wait for those ignorants to save me and do nothing about it because some idiot told me to PAY and WAIT! Just try whatever it is! I am not relying on the doctors anymore! All of them are twats!

 

[noprop]

Good post. We are free to follow a protocol...
Research is important as well. These studies 2 by Melcangi could be interesting and helpful. If not, you are on a prot already.

And what about Baylor studies? Nothing published so far. HM...