MOLECULAR HYDROGEN

heygate

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I'd like someone to prove-out the placebo effect. Could someone make strong hydrogen water and give it to a friend, spouse, or relation, telling them nothing of what the water should do, how they should feel, or what's in it?
its not placebo pal
 

Potion

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its not placebo pal
I didn't know that we were pals. Surely you didn't mean pal in a sarcastic and disrespectful way. You wouldn't be that sort of froward person, would you? If so, perhaps your hydrogen water isn't as effective as you are persuaded it is.
 

Potion

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Hey @Goose12

do you notice "more" hydrogen with letting it sit overnight ?

I just let it react for 10 -15 min until the bubbling is over.
I might try to let it react over night.

I guess my rod which is turning black has some kind of impuritys.

weird is that the one which is turning black is 99,99% from china,
the one staying silver is 99,97% from germany. ^^

But I translated the chinese and it says something like fire-magnesium. Maybe they mixed it with some magnesium firestarter rod. That whole selfmade hydrogen is not that safe I suppose haha.
Is the darker rod ferrocerium?
 

Yura

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If you have no idea what's in that magnesium rod, then you also have no idea what gasses are being created from the reaction. So I wouldn't call it safe. And I don't think goose12 is saying don't use anything from China, just not that particular Chinese magnesium rod that turns black. Idk why that's something to "LOL" at, it just sounds like good advice to me.
My rods are also turning black. They were discussing this in original thread. It should by oxidized magnesium oxide. It is just coating after the reaction and you can easily wash it out with water. Also what you think that they use for hydrogen tablets??? Some extra pure and expensive super high tech magnesium 99,9999999% ? + you will drink all of that not just the gas like with test tube method.. So pls don't make this "dangerous" when you can buy much more dangerous and VERY expensive hydrogen tablets as a supplement..
 

heygate

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I didn't know that we were pals. Surely you didn't mean pal in a sarcastic and disrespectful way. You wouldn't be that sort of froward person, would you? If so, perhaps your hydrogen water isn't as effective as you are persuaded it is.
Haha, of course not !
 

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My rods are also turning black. They were discussing this in original thread. It should by oxidized magnesium oxide. It is just coating after the reaction and you can easily wash it out with water. Also what you think that they use for hydrogen tablets??? Some extra pure and expensive super high tech magnesium 99,9999999% ? + you will drink all of that not just the gas like with test tube method.. So pls don't make this "dangerous" when you can buy much more dangerous and VERY expensive hydrogen tablets as a supplement..
All I implied is that you can't guarantee safety with this method unless you know for certain the purity of your magnesium, and some of these sticks advertised at 99% purity have been found to actually be <95%. They can get away with this because they aren't selling them to be ingested, whereas those companies that are must maintain a food-grade purity. We're doing this to detox after all, so it's important to consider that some of these magnesium rods could have significant amounts of toxic metal impurities. It's irresponsible to say, "It's 100% safe! Guaranteed nothing but pure h2 from this reaction!". I'm not saying nobody should try this method - I think many could benefit - just be aware of the possibility of ingesting impurities.
 

Yura

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"just be aware of the possibility of ingesting impurities."

you mean inhaling gases right. Because once again only gas comes from the tube and like I said. The black stuff is mag oxide and it will happened to every mag rod not just china mag rod + it stays in the tube anyway so I have no idea what we talking about here. What "impurity gas" can be part of the hydrogen gas? How it is different from H2 gas maked by many other methods? Are you sure that hydrogen water machines can't produce your imaginary "impurity gas" ?
 

Yura

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It is interesting how the loudest people here in this thread didn't even tried make the hydrogen water..
 

Niles

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"just be aware of the possibility of ingesting impurities."

you mean inhaling gases right. Because once again only gas comes from the tube and like I said. The black stuff is mag oxide and it will happened to every mag rod not just china mag rod + it stays in the tube anyway so I have no idea what we talking about here. What "impurity gas" can be part of the hydrogen gas? How it is different from H2 gas maked by many other methods? Are you sure that hydrogen water machines can't produce your imaginary "impurity gas" ?
Why are you so hell-bent on ensuring nobody errs on the side of caution when conducting these kitchen chemistry methods of producing h2? Is it not reasonable to consider the hypothetical risks? If you want to do some research and come back to show us that Mg + potential impurities (Ni, Co, Al, etc) + acid of your choice produce no other gas than h2 and no liquid that could leak out of the test tube (taking into account the liquids viscosity, mass, pressure within the test tube, pressure within the surrounding bottle, size of the hole in the stopper, etc.) then please do and post your equations here. Otherwise your comments only amount to, "trust me, it's 100% safe.", which isn't helpful.

Nobody is attacking you; you don't have to get defensive and start belittling anyone who questions the safety of this method. We all just want to make sure nobody ends up hurting themselves. Nothing personal, so stop making it personal.
 

Yura

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I really said "trust me, it's 100% safe" about test tube method making hydrogen?(I think I said this about hydrogen gas..) Then I was wrong, because nothing is 100% safe that's true and when I mean nothing I mean nothing. That's why I don't understand this concern. Especially from people that probably never will make the hydrogen water hehe..
 

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@heygate helen said that H2 water ALONE can heal us from any condition (as I understood in the electrolyte protocol) because it speeds up metabolism and sugar metabolism will be restored and everything else will go back online... im still waiting his response to my question if it is really true or not... i mean if its true... than it is really simple, no need to take the K, Na, Mg chlorides, HCL, aminos/whey and the rest of the electrolyte protocol etc..

Will “Helen” be posting here still or have they left this site?
 

Ben123

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@heygate helen said that H2 water ALONE can heal us from any condition (as I understood in the electrolyte protocol) because it speeds up metabolism and sugar metabolism will be restored and everything else will go back online... im still waiting his response to my question if it is really true or not... i mean if its true... than it is really simple, no need to take the K, Na, Mg chlorides, HCL, aminos/whey and the rest of the electrolyte protocol etc..
Sounds too good to be true, but i hope so. Been drinking bout 0,7 - 1,5 l per day for about a week, havent noticed much yet. Depression and anxiety still kicking full force ..
 

heygate

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Sounds too good to be true, but i hope so. Been drinking bout 0,7 - 1,5 l per day for about a week, havent noticed much yet. Depression and anxiety still kicking full force ..
At 1ppm yes? What machine are you using? Surprised you haven't had any detox symptoms, I'm still experiencing some
 
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heygate

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@heygate helen said that H2 water ALONE can heal us from any condition (as I understood in the electrolyte protocol) because it speeds up metabolism and sugar metabolism will be restored and everything else will go back online... im still waiting his response to my question if it is really true or not... i mean if its true... than it is really simple, no need to take the K, Na, Mg chlorides, HCL, aminos/whey and the rest of the electrolyte protocol etc..
Yeh I know, that was my motive to give it a go.. Iv been experiencing good things and I know @bruschi11 has too ..
 

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@heygate helen said that H2 water ALONE can heal us from any condition (as I understood in the electrolyte protocol) because it speeds up metabolism and sugar metabolism will be restored and everything else will go back online... im still waiting his response to my question if it is really true or not... i mean if its true... than it is really simple, no need to take the K, Na, Mg chlorides, HCL, aminos/whey and the rest of the electrolyte protocol etc..
If I undertood it right, H2 water is not for everyone. you have to be a slow oxidater if I am not wrong.
Anyone correcting me please?
 

heygate

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Nah its some stick thats suppose to be 1.5 ppm , no way i can afford 2k machine ..
Might be worth looking into the cheaper machines there's one for about 150 that I use along with a few others, the link for it is in bruschi's log I think
 

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I didn't know that we were pals. Surely you didn't mean pal in a sarcastic and disrespectful way. You wouldn't be that sort of froward person, would you? If so, perhaps your hydrogen water isn't as effective as you are persuaded it is.

It is not a placebo. I had major withdrawals from the stuff Tuesday morning when I only had 1 glass Monday (3-4 previous 4 days).

If you're not going to respect a person's words on a message board or forum like @heygate 's then you might as go well see your own MD and get his advice.
 

Potion

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If you're not going to respect a person's words on a message board or forum like @heygate 's then you might as go well see your own MD and get his advice.
Who is heygate, that I should respect his saying "its not placebo pal"? And what average MD is going to know anything about hydrogen's effects on a person's metabolism?