EsQimo Log (New member / My labs + EllaOne treatment)

[Jack17]

I feel like for Ella to work you have to have made some improvements already. It works based on prog levels so depending on where your body is in its healing will determine how sensative you are to prog and estrogen etc. if you have low sensitivity to these hormones it could explain why you feel nothing from ella

That may be correct. This is an extremely difficult disease to understand. I do believe there is a common thread or pathway for all of us to follow. I’ve done well recently with progesterone and then Ella. And I’ve also had little to no benefit and even worsening of symptoms in the past. This may be related to using too much, using too long or not cycling off for enough time to see the bounce back. IMO I think the rise in prolactin from taking this protocol is a big issue. As prolactin goes up, LH will go down and your testosterone will drop.

 

[IHateFin]

That may be correct. This is an extremely difficult disease to understand. I do believe there is a common thread or pathway for all of us to follow. I’ve done well recently with progesterone and then Ella. And I’ve also had little to no benefit and even worsening of symptoms in the past. This may be related to using too much, using too long or not cycling off for enough time to see the bounce back. IMO I think the rise in prolactin from taking this protocol is a big issue. As prolactin goes up, LH will go down and your testosterone will drop.

This is true prolactin bust be watched carefully.
Ella won't raise prolactin the way ru486 does tho so you fair better with Ella in the prolactin department.

Only reason these drugs raise prolactin is because of antiandrogen characteristics. Ru has the most literature on this as it becomes antiandrogen 50 times faster than Ella as mifepristone has 5 times less affinity for the androgen receptor. Prolactin is raised because it blocks androgens from helping dopamine reduce prolactin.

Ella is an altered anologue of mifepristone with much reduced GR binding and AR binding with in tease MR binding so it won't block cortisol, won't block androgens, will retain sodium and estrogen and possible fix a lot of our issues

 

[EsQimo]

Guys Im 30 hours post Ella.
Yesterday i took my last pill.

A little less libido.
Thats the only thing that happened until now.

I believe that i have fucked my receptors really really hard.
I read about ppl in the forum that have serious cognitive problems and they still can fix their libido even slightly.
Mine is stucked.
I cant force my 5AR2 tissues using DHT. :/

 

[aztec]

@EsQimo do a hair test.

 

[EsQimo]

5 days post Ella.
Absolutely nothing.

I tend to believe that PFS is a bunch of different diseases.
From dolichol deprivation to androgen insensitivity...

Someone cured with Spinach, others with androgens Teso/DHT (masterolone),others with progestins (deca Ella) Progesteron, SPRMs, Hydrocortisone, Paleo diet + herbs , SSRIs, Curcumin and antioxidants.
Its absolutely confusing...

WTF is going on?
Whats the connection of all these therapies?

Is it just one disease or over 100 that we call em "PFS"?

 

[IHateFin]

5 days post Ella.
Absolutely nothing.

I tend to believe that PFS is a bunch of different diseases.
From dolichol deprivation to androgen insensitivity...

Someone cured with Spinach, others with androgens Teso/DHT (masterolone),others with progestins (deca Ella) Progesteron, SPRMs, Hydrocortisone, Paleo diet + herbs , SSRIs, Curcumin and antioxidants.
Its absolutely confusing...

WTF is going on?
Whats the connection of all these therapies?

Is it just one disease or over 100 that we call em "PFS"?

Hey man check out @Jack17 log! On the ru + progesterone thread.
He did progesterone cycles with ru before he unlocked the magic of Ella.
Like I said you may need to make improvements before Ella can work as a ground 0 start may not allow you to feel any different from Ella due to hormone insensativities.

 

[EsQimo]

Hey man check out @Jack17 log! On the ru + progesterone thread.
He did progesterone cycles with ru before he unlocked the magic of Ella.
Like I said you may need to make improvements before Ella can work as a ground 0 start may not allow you to feel any different from Ella due to hormone insensativities.

So you advice me to use progesterone?
How much?
2-3mg?
Its a 20mg /pump!

 

[IHateFin]

yes, run a few cycles of progesterone first to see how you do. 2-5mg range at night. do cycles of like 4 to 5 days on and 2 off. after a few of these see where you are and give ella another shot.

 

[EsQimo]

yes, run a few cycles of progesterone first to see how you do. 2-5mg range at night. do cycles of like 4 to 5 days on and 2 off. after a few of these see where you are and give ella another shot.

I started today.
1/4 - 1/5 of a pump.

I suppose that i can use the other 15mg the following days.

Do you believe that i will notice a difference?
Where is the best place to place the cream?

 

[Niles]

Where is the best place to place the cream?

On yr nuts, yo

 

[IHateFin]

I started today.
1/4 - 1/5 of a pump.

I suppose that i can use the other 15mg the following days.

Do you believe that i will notice a difference?
Where is the best place to place the cream?

you should feel a difference after a few days.
some ppl on like the propecia help forum were taking 10 to 20mg too so start low and work your way up every few days until you feel something. at times progesterone only helps after you come off like a small snap back.

 

[EsQimo]

you should feel a difference after a few days.
some ppl on like the propecia help forum were taking 10 to 20mg too so start low and work your way up every few days until you feel something. at times progesterone only helps after you come off like a small snap back.

i will start 2-3mg and i will up to 5mg.
I believe 20mg is a lot.

How exactly is this supposed to work?
When u up Progesterone i think that you tank testosterone.

 

[EsQimo]

On yr nuts, yo

On my nuts?
Isnt that a little bit dangerous?

 

[Niles]

On my nuts?
Isnt that a little bit dangerous?

It's proved to be the safest and most effective method, according to those who tried it on PH and here. It's important that it not be applied over fatty areas, because it can get stored in fat.

 

[Jack17]

You have to have patience with this. All though you had no improvement w Ella it still may have helped. What I mean is you are now on s regimen that has shown to help and there’s so much out there that doesn’t. I agree with starting progesterone and IMO use low dose. 2-5mg. Dont start this until the Ella is out of your system maybe 4-5 days To me, it makes more sense than to have two different drugs in you and Ella is a partial agonist so it could be blocking the additional progesterone you are using. I have a feeling using lower doses is better than high doses although a few ppl on prospeciahelp were using higher. I believe we want to HELP the body tigger something to normalize everything. I think higher dose may push too hard and ur relapses or tolerance so it won’t work. This is just my opinion but both Aztec and myself used low dose Ella 1-2 days and this was enough. Good luck! Track your symptoms and what you are doing so the board can help you stay on track!

 

[IHateFin]

i will start 2-3mg and i will up to 5mg.
I believe 20mg is a lot.

How exactly is this supposed to work?
When u up Progesterone i think that you tank testosterone.

It's supposed to increase allopreg in the brain and decrease 5AR to trigger NADPH which will increase 5AR once you hop off. It's also meant to increase estrogen sensativity which in turn increases dht and androgen sensativity

 

[EsQimo]

You have to have patience with this. All though you had no improvement w Ella it still may have helped. What I mean is you are now on s regimen that has shown to help and there’s so much out there that doesn’t. I agree with starting progesterone and IMO use low dose. 2-5mg. Dont start this until the Ella is out of your system maybe 4-5 days To me, it makes more sense than to have two different drugs in you and Ella is a partial agonist so it could be blocking the additional progesterone you are using. I have a feeling using lower doses is better than high doses although a few ppl on prospeciahelp were using higher. I believe we want to HELP the body tigger something to normalize everything. I think higher dose may push too hard and ur relapses or tolerance so it won’t work. This is just my opinion but both Aztec and myself used low dose Ella 1-2 days and this was enough. Good luck! Track your symptoms and what you are doing so the board can help you stay on track!

Thans a lot for the reply.
Its been a week since my last Ella dose so i believe that is already out of my system.
I think its between 2-5mg but i dont know how much i am using exactly because its a 20mg/pump.
We want to make body trigger something but what is that?

My libido seem that does not respond to anything.
Or even worse...
Its been 8 months and still i cant understand my libido's fluctation.

I was on Proviron before Ella and stuff...
Proviron makes my penis feels absolutely dead and I have a feeling of sting/burn.
You know what I mean.
Dont know why...

Before that i was on spinach.
Every time that i try to eat Spinach for 2-3 days, I end up crashing.
Is it boosting Testosterone?
Dont know why really...
I have tried this 3-4 times and always end up crashing :/

Now I am using Curcumin 600mg - Selenium 100mcg - P5P 25mg / day
4gr Inositol
4gr Acetyl-L-carnitine
1.5gr ALA
+
2-5mg Progesterone

All of them are Antioxidants.

 

[EsQimo]

It's supposed to increase allopreg in the brain and decrease 5AR to trigger NADPH which will increase 5AR once you hop off. It's also meant to increase estrogen sensativity which in turn increases dht and androgen sensativity

My brain function is better than ever in my life.
Everything its so clear.
My emotions are very strong.

Today I feel a little bit more emotional.
I dont know If the Progesterone have to do something with it.

I dont know how neurosteroids are working.
Maybe they have to do something with this condition...

I need something to boost my libido.
The strongest libido that i have felt those 8 months, was after a 70 min gym workout in fasted state for 20 hours.
I had 20 mins of 50-60% libido.

I tried this method again but it didnt work :/

 

[IHateFin]

My brain function is better than ever in my life.
Everything its so clear.
My emotions are very strong.

Today I feel a little bit more emotional.
I dont know If the Progesterone have to do something with it.

I dont know how neurosteroids are working.
Maybe they have to do something with this condition...

I need something to boost my libido.
The strongest libido that i have felt those 8 months, was after a 70 min gym workout in fasted state for 20 hours.
I had 20 mins of 50-60% libido.

I tried this method again but it didnt work :/

YESS!!!
It's the progesterone kicking in!
Remember to take take 2 day breaks for every 5 days you take it.
This is it, buddy; the start of your recovery.
A few months worth of these progesterone cycles n you'll be ready to add ru or even to hop back on Ella and make peeminant progress

 

[EsQimo]

YESS!!!
It's the progesterone kicking in!
Remember to take take 2 day breaks for every 5 days you take it.
This is it, buddy; the start of your recovery.
A few months worth of these progesterone cycles n you'll be ready to add ru or even to hop back on Ella and make peeminant progress

Τhanks man for the reply and for giving me hope.
You are really nice person

I dont think that Progesterone has kicked in :/
Because I never had any problems with my cognitive functions.
Always they were brilliant...Since day 1.
So thats not a sign.

Ι am more emotional since I started Progesterone.
Thats true.
But i believe that Progesterone turns you into "Zombie" emotionally...
Estrogen makes you emotional.
Isnt that true?

The good news?
Hard erections...I mean REALLY HARD.
Better than Cialis.

For some reason, 15 mins after Progesterone usage, I can get 110% hard erections with 0% libido.
I dont know how is that even possible!

Also my nuts have become bigger and today they hurt me a little bit.