EsQimo Log (New member / My labs + EllaOne treatment)

[IHateFin]

Τhanks man for the reply and for giving me hope.
You are really nice person

I dont think that Progesterone has kicked in :/
Because I never had any problems with my cognitive functions.
Always they were brilliant...Since day 1.
So thats not a sign.

Ι am more emotional since I started Progesterone.
Thats true.
But i believe that Progesterone turns you into "Zombie" emotionally...
Estrogen makes you emotional.
Isnt that true?

The good news?
Hard erections...I mean REALLY HARD.
Better than Cialis.

For some reason, 15 mins after Progesterone usage, I can get 110% hard erections with 0% libido.
I dont know how is that even possible!

Also my nuts have become bigger and today they hurt me a little bit.

Thanks, man! I like seeing ppl feeling better from this mess.
Prog can make you feel emotional especially since it will help make your estrogen sensative.

Progesterone in a normal man will inhibit erections, but PFS has us backwards assed so it's not surprising that it is having this effect on you.

What you are experiencing are all good signs.
Keep the 5 on 2 off cycle in mind and keep us posted so we can stear you in the right direction.

 

[IHateFin]

You could even do a 2 weeks on 2 weeks off cycle. Up to you, but this cycle will be more beneficial since each time you could experience a more significant snap back than 5 days on 2 off

 

[Helen]

You could even do a 2 weeks on 2 weeks off cycle. Up to you, but this cycle will be more beneficial since each time you could experience a more significant snap back than 5 days on 2 off

There is no snap back from progesterone. All people who got helped used ella or RU, including JAck17 first, and then progesterone. RU or ella makes progesterone more sensitive. So then it readily converts to allo. This is why when you take ella, and then you take a little progesterone, this progesterone converts easily to allo via 5 alpha reductase.

Since progesterone is not sensitive in PFS, you need more of it in blood to do the same job and it does not convert to allo since it is needed . But when you use Ella, it stops progesterone and then it becomes more sensitive , so then after you quit ella you can take b vitamins that make up NADPH or you can add a tiny bit of progesterone , and this progesterone will surely convert into allo.

This is why RWAC recovered the fastest , he took ella, plus b vitamins and HCL. boom recovered.

 

[Helen]

You could even do a 2 weeks on 2 weeks off cycle. Up to you, but this cycle will be more beneficial since each time you could experience a more significant snap back than 5 days on 2 off

of course I agree there could be cases which are helped solely with progesterone which will make estrogen more sensitive.

 

[IHateFin]

of course I agree there could be cases which are helped solely with progesterone which will make estrogen more sensitive.

Yeah a guy on propecia helped cured himself with prog cycles. Probably from it making estrogen sensative like you said as opposed to the progesterone it's self

 

[Helen]

Yeah a guy on propecia helped cured himself with prog cycles. Probably from it making estrogen sensative like you said as opposed to the progesterone it's self

** Please report your experience with Progesterone **

 

[EsQimo]

There is no snap back from progesterone. All people who got helped used ella or RU, including JAck17 first, and then progesterone. RU or ella makes progesterone more sensitive. So then it readily converts to allo. This is why when you take ella, and then you take a little progesterone, this progesterone converts easily to allo via 5 alpha reductase.

Since progesterone is not sensitive in PFS, you need more of it in blood to do the same job and it does not convert to allo since it is needed . But when you use Ella, it stops progesterone and then it becomes more sensitive , so then after you quit ella you can take b vitamins that make up NADPH or you can add a tiny bit of progesterone , and this progesterone will surely convert into allo.

This is why RWAC recovered the fastest , he took ella, plus b vitamins and HCL. boom recovered.

Allo is used only for cognitive function if i am not mistaken.
I dont have any issues with my cogn function.
Only full blown sexual sides.

Would it be a good idea if Progesterone isnt working alone, to add-in Hydrocortisone?
You wrote that when someone raise Progesterone + Cortisol = 5AR2 will be back online.

Sometimes I have a burning deep in my Pelvic floor.
Like a prostate burning.
Now that i am using the Progesterone is a lot more intese.

Any ideas?

PS : I am thinking about jumping into Testosterone in HUGE loads.
2grams+/ week, maybe 3.

Thanks, man! I like seeing ppl feeling better from this mess.
Prog can make you feel emotional especially since it will help make your estrogen sensative.

Progesterone in a normal man will inhibit erections, but PFS has us backwards assed so it's not surprising that it is having this effect on you.

What you are experiencing are all good signs.
Keep the 5 on 2 off cycle in mind and keep us posted so we can stear you in the right direction.

I am day 4 now.
Nothing major.
Nocturnal erections only when i wanna piss during my sleep :/
I will see a cytologist at the end of the month.

I am thinking about using hydrocortisone + progesterone and if that protocol will fail, then Testosterone.
To start with 500mg/ week and go up gradualy to 2-3grams.
My nuts ofc will be inexistent and i will be probably infertile for life, but if i cannot even having sex, whats the meaning of fertility?
I mean come on...
Whats the worst thing that could happened to me?
Ohh its already happening!
What do I have to loose?
My manhood?

 

[Helen]

Allo is used only for cognitive function if i am not mistaken.
I dont have any issues with my cogn function.
Only full blown sexual sides.

Would it be a good idea if Progesterone isnt working alone, to add-in Hydrocortisone?
You wrote that when someone raise Progesterone + Cortisol = 5AR2 will be back online.

Sometimes I have a burning deep in my Pelvic floor.
Like a prostate burning.
Now that i am using the Progesterone is a lot more intese.

Any ideas?

PS : I am thinking about jumping into Testosterone in HUGE loads.
2grams+/ week, maybe 3.




I am day 4 now.
Nothing major.
Nocturnal erections only when i wanna piss during my sleep :/
I will see a cytologist at the end of the month.

I am thinking about using hydrocortisone + progesterone and if that protocol will fail, then Testosterone.
To start with 500mg/ week and go up gradualy to 2-3grams.
My nuts ofc will be inexistent and i will be probably infertile for life, but if i cannot even having sex, whats the meaning of fertility?
I mean come on...
Whats the worst thing that could happened to me?
Ohh its already happening!
What do I have to loose?
My manhood?

dont jump on testosterone it wont do anything. Please stick it out with progesterone for a little longer, and then go off. And see where you are.

If you took ella, it should work. Also you can always try to add b vitamins so you make NADPH

 

[EsQimo]

dont jump on testosterone it wont do anything. Please stick it out with progesterone for a little longer, and then go off. And see where you are.

If you took ella, it should work. Also you can always try to add b vitamins so you make NADPH

For how long? 2 weeks?
I took Ella for a 5 day cycle.

I will stay as long as you advice me but until now from Ella + Progesterone I havent seen anything special.
Maybe a little lower libido and just one night i had a better erection.
Nothing else.

I also use Inositol, A-L-Carnitine,ALA and P-5-P.
Also nothing major to report.

 

[Helen]

For how long? 2 weeks?
I took Ella for a 5 day cycle.

I will stay as long as you advice me but until now from Ella + Progesterone I havent seen anything special.
Maybe lower libido and 1 night i had a better erection.
Nothing else.

I also use Inositol, A-L-Carnitine,ALA and P-5-P.
Also nothing major to report.

Stay for 3 more days and then go off and see where you are. give it like a week after progesterone and ella

 

[Helen]

For how long? 2 weeks?
I took Ella for a 5 day cycle.

I will stay as long as you advice me but until now from Ella + Progesterone I havent seen anything special.
Maybe a little lower libido and just one night i had a better erection.
Nothing else.

I also use Inositol, A-L-Carnitine,ALA and P-5-P.
Also nothing major to report.

Read RU progesterone thread, look up Jack17, and try to copy what he did. If it does not work, then we will think what else for you to try.

 

[bruschi11]

I think he may need something for prolactin on prog? Am I wrong here @Helen ? Does Ella or prog increase prolactin at all?

Sides are primarily sexual @EsQimo correct? Yea man, don't touch testosterone that's just stupid. Its a bandaid, the stuff here on this site you can get 100% better from this.

I did RU/Prog with between 1mg and 5mg being best doses for prog. Took a little bit of time to see it start working.

 

[IHateFin]

I think he may need something for prolactin on prog? Am I wrong here @Helen ? Does Ella or prog increase prolactin at all?

Sides are primarily sexual @EsQimo correct? Yea man, don't touch testosterone that's just stupid. Its a bandaid, the stuff here on this site you can get 100% better from this.

I did RU/Prog with between 1mg and 5mg being best doses for prog. Took a little bit of time to see it start working.

From my understanding only mifepristone increases prolactin and it's due to antiandrogen affects that drug carries through direct androgen receptor binding.
Increase prolactin is more associated to estrogen increases but prog could do it too.
From what I have read on Ella it has no cases of prolactin increase since it has almost no antiandrogen affect unless you took about 1500mg

 

[EsQimo]

For how long?
2 weeks?
I took Ella for a 5 day cycle.

I will stay as long as you advice me but until now from Ella + Progesterone I havent seen anything.
Maybe lower libido.
Nothing else.

I think he may need something for prolactin on prog? Am I wrong here @Helen ? Does Ella or prog increase prolactin at all?

Sides are primarily sexual @EsQimo correct? Yea man, don't touch testosterone that's just stupid. Its a bandaid, the stuff here on this site you can get 100% better from this.

I did RU/Prog with between 1mg and 5mg being best doses for prog. Took a little bit of time to see it start working.

Today happened again!
Im on progesterone 5 days.

In the morning i drunk a coffee and a RedBull.
So a lot of caffeine...200-250mg dont know exactly.
And then i went to the gym almost in fasted state (with 0 energy)
And suddedly during my exercise my libido went up.
I sat immediately on a chair
I was not ofc 100% but i was 60% for sure.

I cant figure out what is happening.
Its the high dose of caffeine?
Its the combination of caffeine + P5P?
Its the combination of Progesterone + Cortisol (from fasted exercise)?
Its the Testosterone boost from gym?
A combination of all of them?

What is going on?
If i was smarter I would figoure it out myself :/

Sides are ONLY sexual.
And ofc that my extremely aggressive hairloss STOPPED totaly.

Those sides make me think that my 5AR2 enzyme has been stopped working.
Like a "loop" holding it from working again, like the one that Helen had described (Progesterone-Cortisol-5AR)

Why I dont experience any problems with my cognitive function?
Why I dont feel fatigued?
My body hair is better now than when i was on finasteride.
Especialy my legs have a lot more hair that before!

Its only:
-Penis (loss of sensation)
-Epididymis (totaly lost of sensation+ swollen)
-Prostate ( burning- itching)
-Hair (stop falling)
-Penis skin (loss of sensation)

5 parts of the body where 5AR2 is located!
5AR2 is non existent? Need boost? (how)
My receptors in these parts have been impared?
Dont know... @Helen

I want to note something.
When I am drinking beer as I am on Progesterone, i feel terrible...
Before Progesterone/Ella, I was feeling better on beer

 

[bruschi11]

Be careful with your body on prog. You are lowering your metabolic rate (lowering t3) when taking prog. So ability of body to detox goes down so alcohol making you feel like shit makes sense.

I think if you fasted a bit, worked on health, maybe balanced yourself a bit, digestion you can either heal yourself or retreat back to this afterward.

 

[EsQimo]

Be careful with your body on prog. You are lowering your metabolic rate (lowering t3) when taking prog. So ability of body to detox goes down so alcohol making you feel like shit makes sense.

I think if you fasted a bit, worked on health, maybe balanced yourself a bit, digestion you can either heal yourself or retreat back to this afterward.

i dont know its so difficult to figure out whats wrong.
During 8 months I felt my libido again only 2 times.
Both when i was on Gym.

But If i supply myself with androgens (Proviron) i react bad to them.

Something else its going on...

I cant fast im 69 kilos 1.77.
I loose weight extremely easy.

Also my psychology and my mental state play an important role.
When I am happy I feel better.
Thats normal I believe.

 

[Helen]

i dont know its so difficult to figure out whats wrong.
During 8 months I felt my libido again only 2 times.
Both when i was on Gym.

But If i supply myself with androgens (Proviron) i react bad to them.

Something else its going on...

I cant fast im 69 kilos 1.77.
I loose weight extremely easy.

Also my psychology and my mental state play an important role.
When I am happy I feel better.
Thats normal I believe.

Man, just take what you are taking now, then go off and see where you . No sense to gauge how you feel while on it.

 

[EsQimo]

Man, just take what you are taking now, then go off and see where you . No sense to gauge how you feel while on it.

Im 6 days on.
Im thinking go off next 3-4 days and i will see if anything has changed

 

[EsQimo]

A little update guys.

Im off progesterone 5 days and nothing has changed.

Now I feel really bad cause my girlfriend who has cancer the last 6 months and shes still on chemotherapies, wanna break up with me. :/
She told me that she had a diagnosis for cancer on January and now shes geting over it and I have stuck in the same situation....
She lost feelings because of this.

Im so devastated that i stopped progesterone cause it made me feel extremely emotional.

I dont know where to go from here.
I feel totaly lost.
Any ideas guys?
bruschi11 IHateFin

Last night i dreamt that i went to the doctor and he told me that i have prostate cancer and thats the reason for all those symptoms.
And I was so happy and relieved that i woke up with a smile on my face.
:/

 

[Walker]

A little update guys.

Im off progesterone 5 days and nothing has changed.

Now I feel really bad cause my girlfriend who has cancer the last 6 months and shes still on chemotherapies, wanna break up with me. :/
She told me that she had a diagnosis for cancer on January and now shes geting over it and I have stuck in the same situation....
She lost feelings because of this.

Im so devastated that i stopped progesterone cause it made me feel extremely emotional.

I dont know where to go from here.
I feel totaly lost.
Any ideas guys?
bruschi11 IHateFin

Last night i dreamt that i went to the doctor and he told me that i have prostate cancer and thats the reason for all those symptoms.
And I was so happy and relieved that i woke up with a smile on my face.
:/

I know this is easier said than done, but if she's the type to leave you because she's over her condition (which you stuck with her through) and you're still stuck in yours, she's total trash and you don't need her in your life. Real talk.

I had a lot of "good time" "friends" that I lost during my recovery. I consider that a total win.