Liver and Bile Support (TUDCA)

[Yura]

no effect from B3

 

[Helen]

@Yura bile is made with NADPH and vitamin C. So ribo, thiamine, niacin. and and for ribo and copper to work you need higher thyroid. SO you need to do a hairtest and see what is going on with you. are you hyperthyroid or hypo. If you are a fast oxidizer, then glutamic acid and glycine

 

[Helen]

There was a time in my pfs state when I took niacinamide and armpit sweat restarted, like an androgenic response.
Could you tell me whats the connection?

Niacin makes NADPH>. NADPH makes all your steroids.

 

[Yura]

@Yura bile is made with NADPH and vitamin C. So ribo, thiamine, niacin. and and for ribo and copper to work you need higher thyroid. SO you need to do a hairtest and see what is going on with you. are you hyperthyroid or hypo. If you are a fast oxidizer, then glutamic acid and glycine

I will have hair test results next week.. AS you know I was on T4 meds 10 years. High TSH, low T3. I have some pretty big cysts on my thyroid.. Now I don't take T4 like 5 weeks maybe. I assume that my TSH is high now.. In terms of B vitamins I was trying high low doses etc.. I can't tell if it worked or not.. Now I just take B complex where is RDA..

 

[Helen]

I will have hair test results next week.. AS you know I was on T4 meds 10 years. High TSH, low T3. I have some pretty big cysts on my thyroid.. Now I don't take T4 like 5 weeks maybe. I assume that my TSH is high now.. In terms of B vitamins I was trying high low doses etc.. I can't tell if it worked or not.. Now I just take B complex where is RDA..

If you have high TSH and low free t3/ then you need seleno cysteine supplement. And then it would be understandable why your bile wont be working. Since b2 and molybdenum need selenium

 

[Yura]

If you have high TSH and low free t3/ then you need seleno cysteine supplement. And then it would be understandable why your bile wont be working. Since b2 and molybdenum need selenium

What you mean by seleno cysteine supplement? I take selenium long time.. I think that the cysts are from autoimmune issues.. From gluten casein/leaky gut and this leaky gut from copper issues. But I will know this for sure with hair test results(hopefully).. I hope that the body will "repair" the thyroid. I am sure that even antibodies TPO etc.. are high, because the body needs to clean that garbage from the thyroid.. I also thing that low thyroid will be self regulating mechanism like you said due to already high oxidative stress.. I am almost 100% sure that now are things moving in right direction..

 

[Helen]

What you mean by seleno cysteine supplement? I take selenium long time.. I think that the cysts are from autoimmune issues.. From gluten casein/leaky gut and this leaky gut from copper issues. But I will know this for sure with hair test results(hopefully).. I hope that the body will "repair" the thyroid. I am sure that even antibodies TPO etc.. are high, because the body needs to clean that garbage from the thyroid.. I also thing that low thyroid will be self regulating mechanism like you said due to already high oxidative stress.. I am almost 100% sure that now are things moving in right direction..

TPO antibodies and hashimoto will show us that you are in 4 lows. In this case you will need seleno cysteine supplement. and b vitamins. Seleno cysteine gets rid of hashimoto

 

[opiath]

@Helen
How long did the copper hands phase last for you?
I've been getting this everyday for the past 3 weeks.
Usually happens after lunch and lasts for 3-4 hours at least.
My hands would get slightly oily and orange and when I rub my fingers together some black stuff comes out.
I assume this is chelated copper.
During the time it happens I get effects similar to when I drink hydrogen water. (stomach rumbling from ghrelin, bile flow increase and improved oxygenation).
I assume during this time of day my antioxidant status and hydrogen levels improve and my body is able to get rid of stuff.
Some days so much black stuff comes out of my fingers that I can fill an empty capsule with it.

 

[Yura]

I had TPO, but like 34 which is still in the range.. I don't think that taking "seleno cysteine" supplement would rid of hashimoto.. I think hashimoto is from leaky gut(undigested proteins like casein, gluten in the blood..) I had gut issues from childhood eating garbage food all the time. When I started with bodybuilding diet ala rice and meat = zero gut issues, no acne etc..

 

[Helen]

I had TPO, but like 34 which is still in the range.. I don't think that taking "seleno cysteine" supplement would rid of hashimoto.. I think hashimoto is from leaky gut(undigested proteins like casein, gluten in the blood..) I had gut issues from childhood eating garbage food all the time. When I started with bodybuilding diet ala rice and meat = zero gut issues, no acne etc..

hashimoto is from lack of glutathione or lack of glutathione peroxidase, which increases hydrogen peroxide. this puts pressure on glutamate. And all the leaky guts etc are the outcomes of it. not the cause of it. Usually seleno cysteine totally lowers TPO since it lowers hydrogen peroxide.

 

[Helen]

@Helen
How long did the copper hands phase last for you?
I've been getting this everyday for the past 3 weeks.
Usually happens after lunch and lasts for 3-4 hours at least.
My hands would get slightly oily and orange and when I rub my fingers together some black stuff comes out.
I assume this is chelated copper.
During the time it happens I get effects similar to when I drink hydrogen water. (stomach rumbling from ghrelin, bile flow increase and improved oxygenation).
I assume during this time of day my antioxidant status and hydrogen levels improve and my body is able to get rid of stuff.
Some days so much black stuff comes out of my fingers that I can fill an empty capsule with it.

Some crazy stuff, Copper hands lasted for week for me

 

[freeflow]

Niacin makes NADPH>. NADPH makes all your steroids.

When I have a snap back from R andro it happens after 2-3 days Im off of it. I feel my muscles become pumped, music enjoyement and mood goes up. I think its my steroid production coming back partially. What would you recommend to avoid this good feeling fading away and to keep it up?

Im taking 1 pill of R andro then I wait for 2-3 days and have a snap back and i feel good for 1 day. Then the good feeling goes away and I take another capsule and in 2-3 days I feel good again.
I did 5 cycles of this and the same is happening everytime. So what would you recommend to make my results stick?
In july Im planning a 20+ days of water fast.

 

[Stud]

another indicator at the androgenic effects of bile acids

 

[jacknap]

Niacin makes NADPH>. NADPH makes all your steroids.

What's your opinion on nictonimide riboside. Feel good using it or nothing at all.

 

[tanedout]

PAS guy here reckons he had cholastasis from accutane, and cured this using a variety of supplements that benefit the liver and improve bile flow. I definitely don't agree with everything here, and certainly disagree that 'accutane is still in the body' but it's interesting to note the supplements like TUDCA and chinese bitters being suggested

The key to getting rid of accutane based side effects is to cure both bile flow issues and successfully remove excess Accutane out of the body. These two things both have to happen before your side effects can be stopped.In today's video, Nature Crazy goes over our top 8 steps to reversing Accutane based side effects.

1. Reduce the load of the crammed bile caused by cholastasis by supplementing with bile acids, ox bile, granulated lecithin, and/or Chinese bitters. We advise you to use a reputable Brand, which will aid your body in using fat-soluble vitamins again.

2. The 2nd suggestion is to supplement with Tauroursodeoxycholic acid (TUDCA) on a regular basis. This helps to regenerate the cells in the liver and also helps save your liver from toxicity.

3. Eating a diet consisting of natural and clean foods – In order not to add to the burden of an already overworked liver incapable of expelling toxins.

4. Consider using MSM supplement every day; It helps prevent skin hardening (calcification), which is a serious side effect of hypervitaminosis A and it can help you increase the passability of nutrients into your cells which will help in your body’s natural detoxification process.

5. Try to add in Coconut oil to your daily routine as well - Absorption of this occurs without bile or pancreatic enzymes which helps it bind together fat and fat soluble toxins for removal in the bile.

6. Calcium D-Glucarate, is a supplement that should be taken two times a day because it can impede Accutane's destructive recycling process, thus giving your body more time to rid itself of the Accutane.

7. To prevent side effects from worsening, you'd want to keep away from retina A, Vitamin A, and other skin creams containing retinol at least until your bile flow is well taken care of. Most times people react to these types of vitamin A because they already have more retinoic acid in the body than they need in the form of Accutane. Instead wait a couple of months and then consider slowly building up using a liquid form of vitamin A which will still be easily digested by the body. Take it little by little until your body gets used to it.

8. Supplementing with vitamin C every night will help alkalize the body and improve the body’s full antioxidant capacity.

Thanks for watching. Get more cutting edge hair and health tips on http://www.naturecrazy.com/

Scientific Studies:
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[2] http://dermatology.cdlib.org/95/lette...
[3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18...

 

[Yura]

accutane fucked me as well for sure...

 

[Stud]

would ox bile compare in potenency? because i really really love this but ox bile is like 10 times cheaper

 

[tanedout]

would ox bile compare in potenency? because i really really love this but ox bile is like 10 times cheaper

In my experience, in order of effectiveness;

TUDCA
UDCA
Ox bile
Taurine

 

[Stud]

In my experience, in order of effectiveness;

TUDCA
UDCA
Ox bile
Taurine

so any idea how much ox bile would equal to to 500 mg tudca?

 

[Yura]

It is not about taking more. Like you will take 20 g of taurine and it will have same effect as TUDCA.. It just works differently.. Btw if you want to use ox bile for detox. Then you need to take it on empty stomach. I am trying it now. I take it with food, but also on empty stomach. It should also rid of SIBO. Because bile acids are anti microbial..