Hair loss theory

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dante said:
I think haidut said that he lost most of his hair when he went keto and it seems that he recovered some of it . He said that the only example of almost complete hair regeneration that he has seen was in a college friend of his who was almost completely bald at the end of college,then went to live in Tian Shan mountains with a community and many years later when haidut saw him again , he had nearly completely regenerated his hair :)
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I saw a complete regeneration of a bald head once. the guy used birch tar on his head. and it regrew all of it.

It is quite smelly though, and he put that thing on this bald head every single day and was just walking around with it))

I have no idea why things that regrow hair have to be stinky. like onion, or birch tar . I guess it is a punishment for something


Haidut is pretty much bald, he did not regrow anything. He claimed he had a receding hairline on RPF, but that is not a receding hairline, that is a complete 80% baldness. There is nothing wrong with it. Who cares if you are bald or not. I wish him the best and I am sure within 5-10 years, the baldness thing will be over with stem graphts technology. So it is all about your health really.

For me I always took hair as the state of health. as a marker . And yes of course people can get a transplant in 5-10 years which will be better than their original hair. But it is still important to figure out the actual biochemical balance


I know some people who grew tons of hair on keto. and their hair is amazing. And i know some folks who did better on 80 10 10.

it is a balance. and a perfect custom made fit for your body chemistry.
 
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Helen said:
I would use b1 b2 b3, plus protein, plus adenosyl/ hydroxy b12 plus folinic acid. Plus potassium. rich foods. Plus vitamin C and E.
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Could this work in a "fast-mixed oxidizer" experiencing diffuse hair loss with low iron, potassium, manganese and copper on a hair test?
 
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dante said:
I think haidut said that he lost most of his hair when he went keto and it seems that he recovered some of it . He said that the only example of almost complete hair regeneration that he has seen was in a college friend of his who was almost completely bald at the end of college,then went to live in Tian Shan mountains with a community and many years later when haidut saw him again , he had nearly completely regenerated his hair :)
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Find it a little odd that the "only" time he saw full hair regrowth was when it has to due with Peat's ideas (i.e. the mountains and CO2). He researches and has access to loads of studies daily and is a smart guy, I'm sure he has seen the study where cyclosporine regrew complete hair (Travis even posted this on RPF), but mind you it has nothing to do with Peat so it does not get attention =)

Like I said though, there has been zero photo evidence that any of Peat's ideas have regrew hair from anyone on that forum so if someone actually posted some real evidence I would be open to it

Just some examples of people getting hair loss from a RP diet/supplements (just showing just increasing your "metabolism" isn't the end all to solve everything)
Peating Making Me Feel Horrible, Especially Ruining Hair
Hair Loss, Abdominal Problems, Possible Fatty Liver
Loosing my hair during peat diet?


And to prove what @Helen was saying and what is opposite of Peat, here is someone regrowing hair with cortisol i.e. predisone (Peat's ideas revolve around cortisol/stress being the cause of hair loss)
Hair Regrowth After Glucocorticoids - Any Ideas Why?

To be clear- I'm not saying this to bash Peat's ideas, I'm just getting tired of the "eat sugar, lower cortisol, increase carbs, lower NO etc." talking points when there is no real documented evidence behind them in regards to people actually regrowing their hair
 
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TubZy said:
Find it a little odd that the "only" time he saw full hair regrowth was when it has to due with Peat's ideas (i.e. the mountains and CO2). He researches and has access to loads of studies daily and is a smart guy, I'm sure he has seen the study where cyclosporine regrew complete hair (Travis even posted this on RPF), but mind you it has nothing to do with Peat so it does not get attention =)

Like I said though, there has been zero photo evidence that any of Peat's ideas have regrew hair from anyone on that forum so if someone actually posted some real evidence I would be open to it

Just some examples of people getting hair loss from a RP diet/supplements (just showing just increasing your "metabolism" isn't the end all to solve everything)
Peating Making Me Feel Horrible, Especially Ruining Hair
Hair Loss, Abdominal Problems, Possible Fatty Liver
Loosing my hair during peat diet?


And to prove what @Helen was saying and what is opposite of Peat, here is someone regrowing hair with cortisol i.e. predisone (Peat's ideas revolve around cortisol/stress being the cause of hair loss)
Hair Regrowth After Glucocorticoids - Any Ideas Why?

To be clear- I'm not saying this to bash Peat's ideas, I'm just getting tired of the "eat sugar, lower cortisol, increase carbs, lower NO etc." talking points when there is no real documented evidence behind them in regards to people actually regrowing their hair
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And the mountains is not Peat Ideas. Being in the mountains causes hyperventilation since the oxygen is very low so the body tries to breath faster. This speeds up the metabolism , since the faster you breathe, the more CO2 the body is allowed to create. The slower you breathe, the less Co2 the body is allowed to create inside of the cell.

Being in the mountains causes respiratory alkalosis. There is no oxygen the body is trying to increase breathing. But this blows out the CO2, and basically you have mountains sickness because of respiratory alkalosis, in this case the body will try to dump all bicarbonate from the blood for you to sustain increased breathing.( this is adaptation) also the body will increase Co2 creation inside of the cell.


So if someone has acetylcholine problem or serotonin problem. That serotonin or acetylcholine will cause you to have diminished breathing drive, and basically your metabolism wont be allowed to run fast and create CO2, since you dont get rid of it.

Now if this person starts exercising like running, or swimming, he will blow out the Co2, and the met rate will go up and will start creating Co2 inside of the cell.
Or if this person goes into the mountains, where is little oxygen, This person will start hypervenilating to get oxygen inside. And this will blow out tons of CO2. And metabolism will adjust by tanking bicarbonate, and by increasing sugar and met rate.

So this is complete opposite of what Ray Peat says. IMO.
 
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@supernature i feel like it might need some tweaking but other than that the protocol is spot on for most people.

@Helen where do you think i can get birch tar lol. I might just try it as an experiment since lard seems to be doing wonders for me.

Also has anyone else heard of Edgar Cayce's protocol for hair loss.The guy was a psychic in 1900 who gave out psychic readings in his "trance" state of sleep.

Overview of Baldness

Simply the protocol is to put crude oil and massage it on scalp and leave for 45 minutes, after that remove it with alcohol.
Its supposed to rebiuld the fat layer under the skin, wich is something ive personally noticed i have got a thinner layer of fat on balding areas than on non balding areas, and on the "DHT free zone" on the back of the head i got the thickest layer, if i push my finger on my temples and run it into the sides of the hairline it moves the skin the same as the forehead and at the balding zones but after it passes that it doesnt move the skin at all. It almost feels different from other fat, maybe brown fat plays a role?
 
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Helen said:
And the mountains is not Peat Ideas. Being in the mountains causes hyperventilation since the oxygen is very low so the body tries to breath faster. This speeds up the metabolism , since the faster you breathe, the more CO2 the body is allowed to create. The slower you breathe, the less Co2 the body is allowed to create inside of the cell.

Being in the mountains causes respiratory alkalosis. There is no oxygen the body is trying to increase breathing. But this blows out the CO2, and basically you have mountains sickness because of respiratory alkalosis, in this case the body will try to dump all bicarbonate from the blood for you to sustain increased breathing.( this is adaptation) also the body will increase Co2 creation inside of the cell.


So if someone has acetylcholine problem or serotonin problem. That serotonin or acetylcholine will cause you to have diminished breathing drive, and basically your metabolism wont be allowed to run fast and create CO2, since you dont get rid of it.

Now if this person starts exercising like running, or swimming, he will blow out the Co2, and the met rate will go up and will start creating Co2 inside of the cell.
Or if this person goes into the mountains, where is little oxygen, This person will start hypervenilating to get oxygen inside. And this will blow out tons of CO2. And metabolism will adjust by tanking bicarbonate, and by increasing sugar and met rate.

So this is complete opposite of what Ray Peat says. IMO.
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Brb climbing Mount Everest.

Jokes aside, that is also what acetazolamide does right?
 
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I got my arl hair test and Iooks like I'm a slow oxidizer . copper is kind of high but been doing zinc and manganese for a week now but still shedding and itching . The supplements I'm going to order do not contain any manganese should I add manganese ? @Helen
 
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I know that Haidut uses Methylene blue in his Pepsi every day. I think his treatment is to increase NAD:Nadh ratio. Pregnenlone may help replenish cortisol as well. So he may have regrown a "bit" of hair from these. He had a little more hair than he had in the photo that Helen posted. But his hair line didn't start until somewhere in the middle top of head. I couldn't see the crown.
@Helen, is there anything else that can go along with licorice to help replenish cortisol?
 
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This new stuff we are learning is just amazing. I hope I'm getting this right but , with using up cortisol all our lives with over working out, over sex, over everything that causes inflammation, uses up cortisol. So we become high cortisol but with less, and less sensitive. We then work on adrenaline, and adrenaline causes high prostaglandin D2 according to Dr. Lin, so there is no anti-inflammatory cortisol left to cool the scalp. scalp is inflamed and tight from adrenaline and prostaglandin D2. the inflamed tissue eventually gets fibrotic over the galea. Blood flow is not able to get to the tight areas and cant repair and doesn't provide NO.
 
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tallglass13 said:
This new stuff we are learning is just amazing. I hope I'm getting this right but , with using up cortisol all our lives with over working out, over sex, over everything that causes inflammation, uses up cortisol. So we become high cortisol but with less, and less sensitive. We then work on adrenaline, and adrenaline causes high prostaglandin E2 according to Dr. Lin, so there is no anti-inflammatory cortisol left to cool the scalp. scalp is inflamed and tight from adrenaline and prostaglandin E2. the inflamed tissue eventually gets fibrotic over the galea. Blood flow is not able to get to the tight areas and cant repair and doesn't provide NO.
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I thought pge2 is what helps hairgrowth and is low in balding males, rather pgd2 is high in balding males which needs to be reduced
 
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oh my bad, Prostaglandin E1/E3 are the anti-inflammatory ones. your right D2 is the good and the bad and the ugly
 
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tallglass13 said:
This new stuff we are learning is just amazing. I hope I'm getting this right but , with using up cortisol all our lives with over working out, over sex, over everything that causes inflammation, uses up cortisol. So we become high cortisol but with less, and less sensitive. We then work on adrenaline, and adrenaline causes high prostaglandin D2 according to Dr. Lin, so there is no anti-inflammatory cortisol left to cool the scalp. scalp is inflamed and tight from adrenaline and prostaglandin D2. the inflamed tissue eventually gets fibrotic over the galea. Blood flow is not able to get to the tight areas and cant repair and doesn't provide NO.
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Mmmmmm if you start running on cortisol means that you already used up all the adrenaline
 
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