Is it possible that PFS makes you less attractive to women?

[RebelWithACause]

Sorry my bad.
I will shorten just trying to balance/ time rite now. I know there's probably a lot of ppl that skip mine at times. It's like I can't stop writing at times, it's not on purpose. Duly noted. MY log will undergo changes that will make it much more readable. (That log is extraordinarily confusing, admittedly).

TL;DR - In short: "It's ALL A GAME"

LOL you are red pill as fuck. I like that. Because I am same. I know this is true what you write and people who are not succesful with women should take note. This is what your dad should of taught you. Most guys are clueless. I know I was.

This is what I think:
TL;DR: Health & Hormones is king of all. No drug beats it. Looking good don't beat it. Nothing. And when it is gone you will know why.

It is true. A lot of dating is fake. And sometimes I would rather not play the game. But the problem is. The game is still being played. Even if you do not want to play it.

Most girls are incredibly annoying to be around and are very arrogant. But what I found is that the hotter the girl they are often more sweet and feminine in private. Ugly girls have ugliest personality too. Go for the hotties, always.

Looks are important but how far are you willing to go? To death? Finasteride is not sustainable, especially for a player/a guy that wants to be succesful with girls.

Would I take finasteride again? No. Absolutely not. Because now I see how emasculating the drug is. It makes you feminine and bitchy. I do not respect the person I was on finasteride. Plus it ruins your health. Health is king. Even now I can say I am not the same as I was at my peak. I hope to return there very soon.

Still I had a good time on finasteride. I was insecure and in the time I took finasteride I forced myself to pick up girls and go on dates. I had sex a bunch of time with different girls. Learned game. This was good to fix my insecurity.

But then I saw what damage I had done. What person I had become. I became a bitch boy. I lost that fire inside of me. I was natural alpha now I was anxious beta that had to fake everything. I found this worse then the potential of losing my hair.

I had sex with a few hot girls before finasteride. I would say 8's. Because I was natural alpha. I did not have any game because I did not need it. For me it went automatic. This success started around age 20-21.
Some of these girls adored me. Even though I still had a bad image of myself because of some bad personal things when I grew up. I never had girls adore me when I was on finasteride. It was very robotic and empty experience. While before finasteride I felt big chemistry between some of these girls. And they would tell me. Very primal.

This is hormonal in my opinion. On finasteride I only had sex with 6's and 7's. I also look at pictures from then (this is 2 years ago) and I looked much worse. No confidence in my eyes. IMO plain unattractive. Even though I had thick shiny head of hair.

I always used Phenibut on dates. I was pretty much Good Looking Loser (GLL) student. Still have respect for him but it was unhealthy lifestyle. I was using finasteride and phenibut just to get through life. Phenibut pretty much eliminated a lot of the side effects from finasteride temporarily.

What I saw after I made the mistake of finasteride is that in real life HORMONES matter. Not hollywood. IN REAL LIFE. Healthy hormones are the king of all. No drug will beat it. Not even the feeling of having a full head of hair and looking great. NOTHING BEATS IT. When you lose it you will see it. No drug gives you the same stable confidence and energy. Especially when you also live healthy life you become very clear headed with an edge. People respect you automatically when your hormones are good.

I am not talking about anabolic steroids although they work but it's not the same. GOOD NATURAL HORMONES IS THE KEY. Plus not wasting your seed everyday.

When my hormones were/are good I can deal with everything life throws at me. I can deal with rejection. I can deal with everything. I brush it off. I also have magnetism. People are very attracted to me when my hormones are good. No matter if I am wearing shit clothing, etc. GOOD THINGS AUTOMATICALLY HAPPEN TO ME.

Health & Hormones are what shapes your personality and what makes you shine. It puts the best characters of you on the front. Anxiety, neuroticism it is all gone. So you can live life and shape it how you want. Because nothing holds you back.

Guys on finasteride look good but they are bitchy, feminine and not intimidating at all. They are very feminine. They also live in brainfog 24/7. You literally think different on finasteride. I became docile. It will probably even change the direction your life goes.

I am not saying you cannot function without optimal hormones. But man do optimal hormones make it easier. It makes life worth living. I would wake up full with energy. LET'S GO BABY!

I would say I am not in PFS anymore but I have not experienced the great feelings I used to have YET. In next few months I hope to fix my problems as much as possible.

 

[Walker]

LOL you are red pill as fuck. I like that. Because I am same. I know this is true what you write and people who are not succesful with women should take note. This is what your dad should of taught you. Most guys are clueless. I know I was.

This is what I think:
TL;DR: Health & Hormones is king of all. No drug beats it. Looking good don't beat it. Nothing. And when it is gone you will know why.

It is true. A lot of dating is fake. And sometimes I would rather not play the game. But the problem is. The game is still being played. Even if you do not want to play it.

Most girls are incredibly annoying to be around and are very arrogant. But what I found is that the hotter the girl they are often more sweet and feminine in private. Ugly girls have ugliest personality too. Go for the hotties, always.

Looks are important but how far are you willing to go? To death? Finasteride is not sustainable, especially for a player/a guy that wants to be succesful with girls.

Would I take finasteride again? No. Absolutely not. Because now I see how emasculating the drug is. It makes you feminine and bitchy. I do not respect the person I was on finasteride. Plus it ruins your health. Health is king. Even now I can say I am not the same as I was at my peak. I hope to return there very soon.

Still I had a good time on finasteride. I was insecure and in the time I took finasteride I forced myself to pick up girls and go on dates. I had sex a bunch of time with different girls. Learned game. This was good to fix my insecurity.

But then I saw what damage I had done. What person I had become. I became a bitch boy. I lost that fire inside of me. I was natural alpha now I was anxious beta that had to fake everything. I found this worse then the potential of losing my hair.

I had sex with a few hot girls before finasteride. I would say 8's. Because I was natural alpha. I did not have any game because I did not need it. For me it went automatic. This success started around age 20-21.
Some of these girls adored me. Even though I still had a bad image of myself because of some bad personal things when I grew up. I never had girls adore me when I was on finasteride. It was very robotic and empty experience. While before finasteride I felt big chemistry between some of these girls. And they would tell me. Very primal.

This is hormonal in my opinion. On finasteride I only had sex with 6's and 7's. I also look at pictures from then (this is 2 years ago) and I looked much worse. No confidence in my eyes. IMO plain unattractive. Even though I had thick shiny head of hair.

I always used Phenibut on dates. I was pretty much Good Looking Loser (GLL) student. Still have respect for him but it was unhealthy lifestyle. I was using finasteride and phenibut just to get through life. Phenibut pretty much eliminated a lot of the side effects from finasteride temporarily.

What I saw after I made the mistake of finasteride is that in real life HORMONES matter. Not hollywood. IN REAL LIFE. Healthy hormones are the king of all. No drug will beat it. Not even the feeling of having a full head of hair and looking great. NOTHING BEATS IT. When you lose it you will see it. No drug gives you the same stable confidence and energy. Especially when you also live healthy life you become very clear headed with an edge. People respect you automatically when your hormones are good.

I am not talking about anabolic steroids although they work but it's not the same. GOOD NATURAL HORMONES IS THE KEY. Plus not wasting your seed everyday.

When my hormones were/are good I can deal with everything life throws at me. I can deal with rejection. I can deal with everything. I brush it off. I also have magnetism. People are very attracted to me when my hormones are good. No matter if I am wearing shit clothing, etc. GOOD THINGS AUTOMATICALLY HAPPEN TO ME.

Health & Hormones are what shapes your personality and what makes you shine. It puts the best characters of you on the front. Anxiety, neuroticism it is all gone. So you can live life and shape it how you want. Because nothing holds you back.

Guys on finasteride look good but they are bitchy, feminine and not intimidating at all. They are very feminine. They also live in brainfog 24/7. You literally think different on finasteride. I became docile.

I am not saying you cannot function without optimal hormones. But man do optimal hormones make it easier. It makes life worth living. I would wake up full with energy. LET'S GO BABY!

I would say I am not in PFS anymore but I have not experienced the great feelings I used to have YET. In next few months I hope to fix my problems as much as possible.

My biggest qualm with "red pill" is the incandescent need of those who practice it to state over and over again how "alpha", "masculine", and "badass" they are on internet forums/media (i.e., reddit) to consistently try so hard to put that mindset into their own heads. The need to consistently state how alpha you are violates an essential rule of being an alpha male. Security in your own being and self. To consistently state it over and over again means the individual is looking for acknowledgement from others that they are indeed "alpha" and part of some sort of club. Never put too much stock in it honestly - let your own alpha speak for itself.

That being said, a lot of the teachings are good and the basic values are pretty spot on in some areas as well. It's just evolved into a sort of need for external validation of one's attitude, accolades, and manliness that is honestly pathetic, IMO.

 

[RebelWithACause]

My biggest qualm with "red pill" is the incandescent need of those who practice it to state over and over again how "alpha", "masculine", and "badass" they are on internet forums/media (i.e., reddit) to consistently try so hard to put that mindset into their own heads. The need to consistently state how alpha you are violates an essential rule of being an alpha male. Security in your own being and self. To consistently state it over and over again means the individual is looking for acknowledgement from others that they are indeed "alpha" and part of some sort of club. Never put too much stock in it honestly - let your own alpha speak for itself.

That being said, a lot of the teachings are good and the basic values are pretty spot on in some areas as well. It's just evolved into a sort of self-validation that is honestly pathetic, IMO.

I get your point. I think the red pill is very useful in this society especially. You get crushed by women if you have zero knowledge about it.

I can say I was a natural alpha before finasteride. It's true. Because I see both sides of coin. On finasteride I was typical beta male: anxious, timid, supplicating to girls, etc. Before that I was opposite. Now I am in middle I would say. Not back 100 to domination mode.

To me alpha is describing characteristics. And I do believe there are guys who are alpha and guys who are beta. I think a lot of it has to do with hormones. High T and DHT is alpha feeling. Guys with good hormones and higher DHT will act like a typical alpha male: calm, confident, energetic and socially smart/savvy. Guys with low testosterone and low DHT will act more anxious and timid. Estrogen also plays a role. Low estrogen also makes me timid and less confident. High estrogen makes me more confident but emotional.

I bet you most guys that are succesful with women have good hormones. Does not mean good hormones will make you womanizer. But it makes it easier.

For me hormones have always been key. Even before finasteride I knew about DHT, T, etc.

I do not believe in faking it all the time. But it can help. Because even faking "alpha male" posture can lower cortisol and raise testosterone.

 

[Area-1255]

Re-Quoting this for All to See.

If your Facial Structure changes and becomes less Masculine that ABSOLUTELY yes you would be "less attractive" to Women...we humans are instinctual creatures, so of course visual appeal is a big part of the whole picture. Additionally, if you have taken Fina for a long-period, all the lowering of Androgen metabolites would reduce your pheromone secretion.

This: Together with Physical Changes and *possibly* less Muscle and likely more Fat Gain - would certainly, lead to, especially Younger Women shunning you.

There's a couple exceptions: Women taking Contraceptives who can't tell FACES apart and are no longer senstive to Male Pheromones by means of "Magnitude of Detection" and Young, Dramatic Women (late-teenagers) who may also, have less of a preface for their instincts...and thus are Governed more by "brute visual appeal" and other noticeable aspects/characteristics.

--> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/birth-control-pills-affect-womens-taste/
--> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25132813
--> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12195229

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12195229

 

[Area-1255]

To consistently state it over and over again means the individual is looking for acknowledgement from others that they are indeed "alpha" and part of some sort of club. Never put too much stock in it honestly - let your own alpha speak for itself.

That's called "Internet Thuggery" for lack of a better term. People flaunt and flex all the time. It *COULD* be A Symptom of Anxiety. But people who have that much "Pride" usually don't have anything of worth value. I'm sure @TubZy knows this shit all too well. Its fucking pathetic. More to the point, is people who (without warrant or reason) start fights means they wholly insecure and also have an Inferiority Complex (versus the "Superiority Complex" seen in Politicians and the like).
I grew up in an area surrounded by Gangs and for a while lived near some real 'Ghetto' areas...most folks will assert this is a "Testosterone-Driven Environment" and that's TRUE. (Ever see the Rocky movies???). Thing is: It gets old real fast.
So in the event someone is extending their Guns to the Internet makes them look like A.) Desperate or B.) A Coward.
Neither of these are Symbolic of True Masculinity. You don't need to have 1000 NG/DL of Testosterone to have a "Masculine" Mindset.
Trump's levels aren't that great yet he has the strongest form of Masculinity. That's bred and conditioned and he ain't a UFC Fighter but likewise would probably knock half our UFC guys out with relative ease. As a side-note: I'm sure his "Viking Ancestry" helps in that regard though, lol. But there's a lot of tough Italians, Russians, Georgians, Middle-Eastern folk and Africans too.

 

[Niles]

Trump's levels aren't that great yet he has the strongest form of Masculinity.

I think you misspelled "narcissism"

 

[Area-1255]

I think you misspelled "narcissism"

He's a little Narcissistic but not as bad as some Politicians out there. I think Hillary is FAR WORSE!!!

 

[MNK99]

True, it's just a state of being. I don't think I'm so alpha, but I know that whatever I am... it's bc of life events... good and bad. And exp's get better, because of having more experience. My posts were long as f. But basically yeah tons of dating is fake... but what are you supposed to do, be androgenous/asexual?

Sidenote, kind of was asexual for a bit the years following effexor, bc anxiety and everything else was gone, self medication with alcohol was gone, and then withdrawal + way way worse anxiety than ever came. Not sure how... but panic attacks mostly left at 23-24 or so., quitting alcohol was part of it, but also starting with a clean slate (leaving crappy friends and experiences behind). Although, maybe anxiety when younger turned into hypomania, (mania when on effexor), so that's not exactly good either... BUT it's rare for me. OR even valuable when used to succeed as long as you calm the hell down and don't take stupid risks/ be alone if too loopy.

Hormones, state of mind matter a ton. In a healthy, resilient state of mind... despite MOST bad things (not all, everyone can have limits), are just inconveniences, and can be dealt with, without thinking about them. And yeah, of c fin was not worth it. I already had a super delicate chemistry but was strong and motivated. On it, forget beta... I was practically labotomized. AND after, suicidal... and obviously more vain, bc of changes. When things are going well... it's just good. Well, actually it's a pain in the ass, but if I can maintain my home as a sanctuary, and get things done... then I can deal with it all without caring. --As long as I'm not overwhelmed or fall astray by partying/hanging out too much. Usually don't anymore.

-Hair is nice to have, but doesn't guarantee happiness, nor does success, or whatever. Working on self, the right way (getting rid of the idea that I NEED perfect hair always) is more important. I flipped the hell out when I lost hair from Adderall (i truly did lose a lot of hair), but literally no one could see it... and 4mo later... hair looked perfect (but for sure, it had less density/volume). BUT* taking feminizing drugs.... obviously can't end well. And then with lamotrigine 4 yrs or so later, ... taking finasteride (or any drug) to offset one drug's side effects, never ends well.

Most of PUA culture and everything is very stupid... but yeah, just knowing what people like makes things better. But regardless how much I feel it, of c there are real people out there. Not ev1 is a bastard.... gotta remind self.

-Also: That's a huge reason why I hate psyche and pharma. -Call me "bipolar" (after like 12 years), and MANIA was only ever there with EFFEXOR (which triggers mania in a lot of people, bipolar or not), and, suicidal depression was only there in Fin/post-fin, so what the hell.
-I was sad really sad for like 20mins-30mins, vaped some mmj yesterday (1:1 CBD:THC, and a tiny like 0.2 sec draw of a higher THC indica, with Sativa dominant genetics supposedly), and I was way better along with A-GPC, and a tiny bit of Lithium Orotate.
-But, I ate a bit more than I wanted to last nite (but needed to fall asleep so whatever), and like 3000cals more than I wanted to the day before.

-It's good as an "off-switch" to workaholism (worsened and simultaneously made more productive with rx stimulants for me). So as my friend says, you gotta make time for girls, and that kind of thing will help without the stupidity and negative effects of alcohol (for me).
-I self medicated as a young adult with vodka and illegal stims, then just the stims, and before that running all the time... and before that other habits (non drugs).
-BUT, some self medication is ok, when the alternative is for sure --- earlier death, and being dumber, and worse looking (like being on 10 drugs for disorders that they cannot prove I actually have).
-Everyone has some vice, nearly. As long as functional, not harming self or others, what's the difference. But it's a slippery slope, smart enough to not make it be a slippery slope, but the rest of my life kind of is a slippery slope anyways, so yeah.

-And yes, people seek too much external validation... no good.

 

[MNK99]

-Hey by the way, since you mentioned ("women not being able to tell faces apart"), @Area-1255.
-SINCE Effexor, and also on and after finasteride (better now), I sort of have facial agnosia. Maybe a lot longer... don't remember as a kid. -Maybe from blacking out 19-23 or so.
-Like, on the elevator can't tell that it's my brother till I'm closer (even when vision was great). -then trip out and then say : Oh I didn't recognize you.
-THIS kind of thing happened a lot at times, even way way past effexor (and healthier than ever so, healed at least 99%, I changed probably, but PSSD resolved). But I think some of it is just ADHD or some memory issue.
-Like if I met a girl, then DO NOT SEE HER for 4-7 days, If we meet in a crowded area (where it's hard to zone in and recognize one person from far away), it takes a while...
-sometimes talking to them, and it takes a fraction of a second or a few seconds to remember who they are. Names pretty bad too, unless write it down/ text same number, use their name consistently until it's engrained in memory.
-Friends too, until I see them more and more often.
-Wtf is that? Is it my ADHD, or brain damage, or hormonal??
-Like I said, it was way worse when feeling labotomized on Fin (as in brain fog and memory and everything was way way worse).
-But even in near optimal health, doing well enough.... and fit... hard to recognize ONE person on a busy street, in a mall, or cafe with like 30 people.
-OTHER times, I can see them just out of periphery, bc I'm usually hypervigilant.
-Sometimes with a boss, or professor for which I'm late for some assignment and have to explain why to them (that's terrible, and can totally ruin a morning).
-Also, when I was a younger politer Canadian, sometimes i'd bump into a poll or some inanimate object and register it as a person and say "sorry". FML.
-I'll shut up now for some time, go workout, and study, and stop being a dumbass.
-I really don't think it's just not paying attention, bc I can hear people talking 30 floors down at 5am, or a squirrel at my front door (trips me the fuck out).

 

[djohn051]

I think it is also caused by lower estrogen (caused by PFS or for example Arimidex) I crashed my estrogen before with Arimidex and I felt zero attraction between me and girls. It made gaming girls very easy because I felt zero emotion. I was like a robot/psychopath. But then I ended up in bed with them (with ease) and I could not get dick up at all. It was completely dead. LOL So it's useless.

When my estrogen is higher I feel more attraction to girls and from girls. My libido is also higher. I last longer in bed. I also smell more smells in the air. Sense of smell is better. I am calmer. Especially in combination with DHT I feel good. Very calm and energetic at same time.

With low estrogen this all goes to shit. I become robot. I lack complete empathy and I feel not connected to the world. I also feel on edge all the time like you want to say very mean things to a person. Even though normally I am friendly guy.

PFS definitely has something to do with estrogen.

Even now I still have issues with estrogen. It seems very hard for me to increase estrogen and I quickly get lower estrogen side effects it seems. I do not tolerate any AI (anti aromatase) at ANY dosage (Aromasin or Arimidex)

Although drinking for me feels great. Which in PFS it did not. I also am not bloated at all anymore. The opposite. My face is chiseled even with 14% body fat. Same goes for stomach issues they are 100% gone. No more bloated stomach.

I am fairly certain I am healed from the worst issues with PFS BUT I have a few small lingering problems. Mostly estrogen problems (dryer skin - not completely dry but dryer then before, OCD tendency, a little bit on edge). These are small issues and I can live life normally. But I want them fixed.

I am going to fix these problems in next few months.

How is your libido?

 

[RebelWithACause]

How is your libido?

It was good before I touched anabolic steroids (exogonous testosterone). Not sure why. But more people have this problem. Maybe it is because I had PFS or used finasteride in past. Maybe it is because my body just doesn't like it. I have heard more guys on TRT and steroids having low libido on cycle while their estrogen and everything is in range.

In 1,5 weeks exogonous test will be out of body. We'll see what happens in the future. Probably period of no libido and then hopefully go back to normal.

 

[RebelWithACause]

That's called "Internet Thuggery" for lack of a better term. People flaunt and flex all the time. It *COULD* be A Symptom of Anxiety. But people who have that much "Pride" usually don't have anything of worth value. I'm sure @TubZy knows this shit all too well. Its fucking pathetic. More to the point, is people who (without warrant or reason) start fights means they wholly insecure and also have an Inferiority Complex (versus the "Superiority Complex" seen in Politicians and the like).
I grew up in an area surrounded by Gangs and for a while lived near some real 'Ghetto' areas...most folks will assert this is a "Testosterone-Driven Environment" and that's TRUE. (Ever see the Rocky movies???). Thing is: It gets old real fast.
So in the event someone is extending their Guns to the Internet makes them look like A.) Desperate or B.) A Coward.
Neither of these are Symbolic of True Masculinity. You don't need to have 1000 NG/DL of Testosterone to have a "Masculine" Mindset.
Trump's levels aren't that great yet he has the strongest form of Masculinity. That's bred and conditioned and he ain't a UFC Fighter but likewise would probably knock half our UFC guys out with relative ease. As a side-note: I'm sure his "Viking Ancestry" helps in that regard though, lol. But there's a lot of tough Italians, Russians, Georgians, Middle-Eastern folk and Africans too.

I like your thought on it. I love Trump. Truth about Trump is he is high IQ. He knows how to simulate masculine body language. He knows persuasion and machiavellianism. He is probably most skilled persuader in the world. At least in top 10.

So no you do not need high androgen levels to "behave" masculine.

But to "be" masculine you do.

If you want to feel masculine to the core of your soul you need high androgens. This will automatically make you stand up right, take up space, etc. You can also learn this. This is what I did while on finasteride. I learned how to simulate masculine behaviour but deep in the core of me it did not feel natural.

Trump knows how to present him and he knows human psychology to the core.

That is my opinion.

 

[Area-1255]

I like your thought on it. I love Trump. Truth about Trump is he is high IQ. He knows how to simulate masculine body language. He knows persuasion and machiavellianism. He is probably most skilled persuader in the world. At least in top 10.

So no you do not need high androgen levels to "look" masculine.

But to "be" masculine you do.

If you want to feel masculine to the core of your soul you need high androgens. This will automatically make you stand up right, take up space, etc. You can also learn this. This is what I did while on finasteride. I learned how to simulate masculine behaviour but deep in the core of me it did not feel natural.

Trump knows how to present him and he knows human psychology to the core.

That is my opinion.

Good point. Since Masculine Behavior is in the Mind, we can't change who we are either. PFS makes people less Physiologically Masculine; but in the End...its still a Mindset and we were ALL Born with a "Masculine Brain". Some more than others. I'm Left-handed, Left brained, was exposed to high levels of Testosterone in the Womb. So I have long Ring finger etc. Yet, even I have suffered negative effects from say Risperidone as a Teenager. In which case, I had to do some of the said "simulation". For a while.

 

[MNK99]

@Area-1255 , I once
wrote about what you're talking about, and fetal test levels possibly being linked to masculinity, and differences in disorder prevelance across genders for my (stupid) school's newspaper. They fired me. Sure I missed a lot (near all) meetings, but not sure why they were so upset. Commi feminazi school.

This is just an aside, this discussion reminds me of that.

 

[djohn051]

It was good before I touched anabolic steroids (exogonous testosterone). Not sure why. But more people have this problem. Maybe it is because I had PFS or used finasteride in past. Maybe it is because my body just doesn't like it. I have heard more guys on TRT and steroids having low libido on cycle while their estrogen and everything is in range.

In 1,5 weeks exogonous test will be out of body. We'll see what happens in the future. Probably period of no libido and then hopefully go back to normal.

Were libido issues ever a side that you experienced from PFS though? If so, what did you do to improve it before taking the TRT?

 

[RebelWithACause]

Were libido issues ever a side that you experienced from PFS though? If so, what did you do to improve it before taking the TRT?

Focussing on fixing PFS. Electrolyte protocol, ZINC FINGER, etc. I have described this before in my log. I had good libido with girl. No problem getting it up, etc. It was also partly psychological because I had ED in beginning of PFS with a girl. That made me anxious to have sex. A big part of libido is psychological anyways. After I had succesfully sex with her a few times my libido was back and I had no anxiety at all anymore in sexual situations.

Good luck.

 

[pedal]

My biggest qualm with "red pill" is the incandescent need of those who practice it to state over and over again how "alpha", "masculine", and "badass" they are on internet forums/media (i.e., reddit) to consistently try so hard to put that mindset into their own heads. The need to consistently state how alpha you are violates an essential rule of being an alpha male. Security in your own being and self. To consistently state it over and over again means the individual is looking for acknowledgement from others that they are indeed "alpha" and part of some sort of club.

Alpha males don't take fin or accutane. Real men didn't take it in the late 90s even when it was believed to be safe. They sure as hell wouldn't take it in the 2010s when there are tons of warnings about possible emasculation side-effects all over the internet from guys like us who got ruined.

 

[brix]

Alpha males don't take fin or accutane. Real men didn't take it in the late 90s even when it was believed to be safe. They sure as hell wouldn't take it in the 2010s when there are tons of warnings about possible emasculation side-effects all over the internet from guys like us who got ruined.

Who let this guy in here?

 

[pedal]

Who let this guy in here?

You forgot to sign yourself alpha male. I don't make the rules don't shoot the messenger.

 

[Walker]

Alpha males don't take fin or accutane. Real men didn't take it in the late 90s even when it was believed to be safe. They sure as hell wouldn't take it in the 2010s when there are tons of warnings about possible emasculation side-effects all over the internet from guys like us who got ruined.

Well luckily for me, under whatever pretense you serve as a rule-maker, I took neither.

I took an herbal supplement sold over the counter and it rocked my world. This kinda throws a wrench in your whole "Merck knew what they were doing and did this on purpose" conspiracy, as they didnt create my poison or create many other people's poisons.

But, fortunately - unlike you, I didnt give a shit about the politics of what happened to me, I only gave a shit about getting better. That's why I'm better today. Posts like these will NOT help you get anywhere. You are not ruined - also quit posting the word "permanent". Another horrible word to have in your vocabulary right now.