Helen's crazy finasteride crash and log

[SwaZ]

Damn @Helen thought you were joking

You are crazy for messing around with fin again....

Anyways, Happy birthday man! I think i know what your birthday wish will be, lol

 

[EsQimo]

What happens if you feed potassium + magnesium for that high prog?

Nothing.
Especially magnesium fires back.

What are you even talking about. This vlog is about my experience in the crash that I am having now.



What does this have to do with your progesterone levels. And what does this have to do with any assumptions.
I honestly dont get what you mean at all.

And what does this have to do with your metabolic syndrome.

Everyone had high progesterone in PFS. So we all know this. this is why this forum was created.

-Helen you created MINERALS protocols.
And now you are saying that minerals are doing us harm.
Staying in the cell etc.

-Now you say that everyone has high Progesterone in PFS.
Before 6 months you wrote that there are 2 cases of PFSers.
These with HIGH PROGESTERONE and those with LOW PROGESTERONE.
And apparently there are PFSers with low progesterone...

-Before months you advice everyone to stay away from Hormones and using ONLY minerals.
Now you adviced someone to use Testosterone + Progesterone combination.

You adviced ppl use ELLA + Ru
Cures? Only ONE.
From someone who IMHO didnt even had PFS.

Kiwii asked for a post with all the protocols.
That cant be done OFC.
Cause there are over 10 protocols with electrolytes - zinc finger - copper- Progesterone- Ella- Ru -Glutathione boosting.
And everything is a mess...

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.
Really thank you because you spend your time and trying to help, but please stop being so sure about everything you say.
You cant be sure for anything.
We are all Guinea Pigs here.
Thats the truth.

 

[MNK99]

I got my life back.
Still focus and other issues, but didn't expect PFS theories/discussion to save me from my other issues, and some of that's a part of growing up in this confusing world.
I was like a mute, and my father called me a "ZOMBIE."

Now he's telling me to stop working out.
Parents are proud/happy etc. SUPER hard to please.
Attract females again and actually sometimes care. Care a lot at times.
Working on future.
4-6months ago? 7 mo ago? "I have no future" was how I perceived this.

A lot of people have gotten better.
And I am thankful for that....

It's still super helpful.
I may not and probably will not ever cure my other issues, but making them minimized with minimal intervention with zero side effects..... makes life like 10x easier.
I couldn't work on that, even though that's kind of what I was doing right before taking fin. Now it's basically like I am there again, and working on the future where I was right after finishing school......... SO PFS not insane + those issues ok-good = like 100-1000x easier life... AND soon more.

There are no words. But thanks Helen and all you crazy Mofos, Tubzy, Ihatefin, Joekool and Aztec and a lot of others.
-Aztec, Joekool, and Area for help with my other issues/meds/and working on that + PFS same time. -Planning the major plan from Helen's posts, Ihatefin, Tubzy, Joekool. Seeing that it can be done from others and some of these guys who healed or were practically healed.
-Guys like K8868b, Bruschi11 for emotional support and seeing what works and doesn't, Aztec, and a lot of ppl. ++others. Talked to like nearly ev1 here too.
-If you talk to as many people as I have --- you'll see everyone has some issues.

-And following other's plans and giving feedback when I improved/noticed something important.

-I made my plan with several of those guys and checked threads, but stuck to one thing as best as I could and spaced things out...
-And confirmed that there may be many routes and likely is... and that I am not screwing myself worse.
-AND if ARL didn't seem to have dangerous detox reactions, I'd do that. BUT, I'll do TEI instead.

I'm being so nice, I feel physically sick. So I'm gonna sleep because it's 7.33am and adults are supposed to sleep many hrs ago.

Was all this stuff (PFS) easy? HELL NO.
But, I am looking forward to TEI, etc.

Still eating spinach, sea salt every meal, fasting everyday. The last 150 workouts fasted. Etc. And like 300-400 before this, way more if you include running.
Confident if I ever get extraordinarily ill again, it can be dealt with, without a "death sentence".

That's worth more than anything.

-NOTE: I'm lucky in that unlike a lot of others ---- I do not "crash" on and on again. MAYBE at first, but not since fasting in January. Maybe in the first couple months on fin. It's really hard to articulate that point. I'm resilient... but that is because of life experience and a lot of behind-the-scenes work over yrs and yrs. It wasn't all just given.

-I also tried helping some of those that were really in a bad situation and will continue to, as time permits. Because, I owe it to this place.


-Jacknap, Jack17, Tony, a ton of other guys and girls are way better from PFS and PSSD...... - I fixed PSSD without knowing wtf I was doing. Area-1255 fixed his too.
-Sounds lucky, but ... read into things, and don't assume there's a singular 1-5 step plan that cures all. How would that even be possible? TEI....

Even if no PFS, if I found this site, possibly worth doing.

 

[Nina]

Western culture is so fucked. In russia If a man calls another man pussy or sissy, he is either gay , or is ready to fight. In your culture I guess it is ok to call someone pussy or sissy, since you got used to that no one will fight you, since you will call the cops.
In russia if someone calls the cops, people around that person will never speak to him for the rest of his life.

If you called me this in real life I would destroy you on the spot.

Emotional is a sign of low T and DHT.? LOL say that to my chechen buddies, or blacks LOL You have no idea what you are talking about.

Blacks are the most emotional and alive people on earth. ( and I love those guys in the US) And have the highest testosterone levels. Along with northern russians and some indians.




It is just you and your culture forgot what it is to be manly. This is why you go the gym, take steroids, anything to get to our level. Trying to have bone chicks, and wider face. this amuzes me the western culture. 12 year old russian boys will beat the living crap out of you.

I was brought up in a war zone you idiot, while you were playing with your mommies underwear and asking for allowance money

So yes I will be emotional when some asshole calls me names.

@Helen what is happening to u?? Just ignore people if they annoy you. Let them read stuff on their own on the forum to learn and understand everything. Dont waste your time

 

[HerrFisch]

-Helen you created MINERALS protocols.
And now you are saying that minerals are doing us harm.
Staying in the cell etc.

Dood, he always said minerals and supplements are doing harm.

Sometimes he just words it different and everybody goes nuts as he would've changed his mind 180°.

Doing Minerals and Supplements is always unbalanced. And you wont ever be able to be 100% at balancing.
So if you are healthy. Dont do multiminerals etc.

But. If you are unhealty. Ofc there is the chance that you can do good with them. And make changes in some direction.
The focus of the last post was on the importance of electrolytes and aminos.
Cofactors > Minerals.

And @Helen Happy Birthday

 

[barbaar]

Happy belated bday helen. I can imagine there are better ways to spend it but I'm sure you'll beat this thing again in no time!

 

[Jaxx]

Indeed happy birthday!, everyone is so focused on you taking fin they forget the rest lol

 

[noprop]

Finally , blood pressure has come down to 140. took electrolytes and a lot of aminos. this is by far the biggest crash I had. May be this is the real crash.

I was chelating, so the chelator I guess took out a lot of nutrients. And this is how fin took me so bad.


My gums are super inflammed. It feels like crazy oxidative stress as almost all of a sudden all my enzymes and all minerals got oxidized in the cell.


And the more I eat the worse it gets. I think hormones or fin, and probably others, do this. they effect the cellular structure in a way , that there is a huge imbalance and basically antioxidation system goes down and everything gets oxidized., but then there is no metalothionein to carry out oxidized minerals. and thus all your cells become garbage piles.

Body probably stops delivering minerals into the cell as much as it can, thus everything gets downregulated. I feel very weak.

And the more you eat the more gabrage you get in the cell

this is probably why fasting helps.

Zinc finger has the same structure as metalothionein. SO if metalothioenein is needed bad, then many zinc fingers get downregulated.or upregulated.

And this effects a lot of signaling. Cortisol singnaling, insulin signaling, ar signaling, All the pcap signaling, everything where zinc fingers are.

What I was doing is drinking a lot of water and putting a lot of electrolytes , plus yesterday I started bs vitamins and detox aminos,

histidine lysine arginine glycine, cysteine taurine , hoping they will clean out my cell from oxidized enzymes and minerals.

This is why fasting makes you look so young. body has times to clean out your cells. And basically you use up a lot of minerals from your liver.

SO I am taking these aminos plus biotin plus Bs, to promote metalothionein formation. And go very light on food.

Blood pressure is coming down. Hopefully this is working.


this is may be how people age . they unbalance their cell at one time with huge stress or something else. or hormones, or some medicine, or too much sex and then there is an oxidation burst in all the cells, Now you have your body full of oxidized minerals, that need to be carried out.

Body slows down nutrient delivery inside of the cell, since there is garabage pile there. Person feels weak, since all zinc fingers are downregulated or upregulated. And the person starts eating non stop, eat eat. the liver gets just full of minerals. And the cell gets more and more toxic.
but people are weak , and they think they need more nutrients, where in reality they need more electrolytes, and more detox aminos. and less minerals.


Like what @Orion does , he is simulating fasting. He is taking little minerals ( just to support Urea cycle) and tons of aminos. especially metalothioniein aminos. and a lot of Bs

this is why playing with hormones is evil they can cause a major shits in the cell biochemstry

Very helpful post. Would you mind listing all the stuff taking. Re aminos it is clear. What electro and bvits did you take? Many THX for that.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Happy birthday Helen.

 

[Helen]

Nothing.
Especially magnesium fires back.


-Helen you created MINERALS protocols.
And now you are saying that minerals are doing us harm.
Staying in the cell etc.

-Now you say that everyone has high Progesterone in PFS.
Before 6 months you wrote that there are 2 cases of PFSers.
These with HIGH PROGESTERONE and those with LOW PROGESTERONE.
And apparently there are PFSers with low progesterone...

-Before months you advice everyone to stay away from Hormones and using ONLY minerals.
Now you adviced someone to use Testosterone + Progesterone combination.

You adviced ppl use ELLA + Ru
Cures? Only ONE.
From someone who IMHO didnt even had PFS.

Kiwii asked for a post with all the protocols.
That cant be done OFC.
Cause there are over 10 protocols with electrolytes - zinc finger - copper- Progesterone- Ella- Ru -Glutathione boosting.
And everything is a mess...

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.
Really thank you because you spend your time and trying to help, but please stop being so sure about everything you say.
You cant be sure for anything.
We are all Guinea Pigs here.
Thats the truth.

.

Where the hell are you reading all this , from a year ago?


I never give minerals ALONE> they will fuck you up.

there is only ONE protocol left which called Electrolytes protocol which has PFS section in there. I dont use hormones or ella or RUs. I have no clue why the new people come and start using those. Or homones.
I said that if someone has nothing else to do , then going on testosterone with progesterone will get rid of the symptoms. I said that from the very beginning.

I also told you that anavar cured some person.

As far as Ella, RU, I said it is either RU or ella, or progesterone cycling. 2 CURES from the very beginning of this FORUM.

And not one person got better from this but jack 17, tony , rwac, aztec. and many other people.


For people who want to try mineral routes, There is electrolytes protocol, which says to get a hairtest and see which cofactors you need. how is this not straight forward.

Which protocols do you want to be outlined

Kiwii will not be able to follow any of these protocols, since I told him it is for people with knowledge. It is a theory that needs to be applied.

And many people apply it well, like raincoast, like scenes, like herrfish, like orion

That is an old group who came to this forum

And now newcomers like you come here and you talk bullshit? why are you here at all. You dont understand what we are doing here at all

If you dont follow anything at all what we are doing here, why would expect any results at all

There are tons of people who recovered with progesterone and ru. cycling.

For people who dont understand anything I said many times there is TEI and ARL.( this is the ONLY mineral route for KIWI)

What do you want me to do. Hold your hand or cure you personally.

The cure for PFS is personal individual since it has many case.


and it is not just low or high progesterone.


I have no idea, why I have to write this to you OVER and OVER again. I wrote this to you in your log, I wrote this to Kiwii 10 times already.


What protocols do you need? I dont get it.

You start your logs you and Kiwii, and I personally told Kiwiii that he has 2 choice. Go on TEI or testosterone and progesterone

For you it is the same , go on TEI> why are you sitting here looking for protocols. If me personally write this stuff for you in your LOG same as KIWI. |but you chose to go to 1 year and see what I recommended there? WTF?

Mineral protocols are indivudualized. You cant find them here. They are different for every case. And all of them use associated amino acids. since otherwise you will get toxic

Electrolytes protocol is an attempt to fit one protocol for everyone. Will it work, I dont know .. Many people feel great on it @Orion @Raincoast












Someone can please help this dude. And Kiwii @TubZy. @Orion @Raincoast this is getting ridiculous. already.


@TubZy this is what I was telling you last week. that we need to just delete everything and TELL people 3-4 routes what they can do.

 

[JasonSky]

Why don't you watch your language, you dickhead. You lose your chin and bones since you hold your dick for years in your hand looking for mold cure, instead of addressing the problem.

savage. lmao

 

[noprop]

I think it is clear for a lot now what you are suggesting. Clear cause kept simple and structured. People cannot understand all the things and relations you present AS we/they do not have your background.
Very helpful is always presenting the own protocol and why somebody is doing the taken steps as well the experiences made so far. Less is more.
To get a cure (if wanted) we would need listing different profiles (bloodwork / hairanalysis/symptoms) and the protocols taken. It is possible to keep it very simple. We need only some standard what to test and how to build up a protocol. Other people could give whatever feedback. This way, we can see who has similar success or has it not at all and maybe why.
If we keep going on AS before, it tends to become a listing of anectotals.
So everybody could create a New log and write what symptoms, hairtest results and bloodwork he has and what results he has got so far. Kept simple. Structure. Then we understand. THX (your son of a narcisstic bitch)

 

[Helen]

I think it is clear for a lot now what you are suggesting. Clear cause kept simple and structured. People cannot understand all the things and relations you present AS we/they do not have your background.
Very helpful is always presenting the own protocol and why somebody is doing the taken steps as well the experiences made so far. Less is more.
To get a cure (if wanted) we would need listing different profiles (bloodwork / hairanalysis/symptoms) and the protocols taken. It is possible to keep it very simple. We need only some standard what to test and how to build up a protocol. Other people could give whatever feedback. This way, we can see who has similar success or has it not at all and maybe why.
If we keep going on AS before, it tends to become a listing of anectotals.
So everybody could create a New log and write what symptoms, hairtest results and bloodwork he has and what results he has got so far. Kept simple. Structure. Then we understand. THX (your son of a narcisstic bitch)

Dude, I have a sever PFS now. receded gums, hairloss, busted blood vessels on my head. It is no joke. Zero libido. Feeling nothing

Skin got all fucked up, so I will try to log what I am going to do to get out of this.

It is log , not some freaking doctors Oz's office for Kiwii and friends LOL

 

[Helen]

Blood pressure stabilized, finally 120- 80.

I noticed , I have sugar intolerance. means my sugar system is down, Which fits in my theory on the first page that SODS are all fucked. and MT is induced, which took out all zinc fingers to clean the system out.

Also I got very dehydrated, like my body is losing water. This has to do with arginine vasopressin and the peptide which releases it which is similar to lysyl oxidase. I guess my copper got to be free now, and oxidizes too much of lysine. Thus the receding gums and lack of arginine vasopressin

So I will be addressing all these things for the coming days.

Not sure how fast this will go back online, but if I can get the water not leave the body, I will say 2 weeks all my cells will be clean from the oxidized minerals and Metalothioniien will go down, which will release all the aminos for the zinc fingers ( for cortisol, for AR, for pcaps, for all zinc fingers) and open up the sugar metabolism.

but all I can say that a lot of free minerals are flying around now, like zinc and copper and manganese,, I have to bind them

When I bind them with a tiny dose of EDTA, I feel zero inflammation. but I am not going to use EDTA. This I used to see that the binders are missing for them.

So so far this is the progress.

It is actually good that I have receded gums now. since it will show me which direction is rigth to go

 

[noprop]

Dude, I have a sever PFS now. receded gums, hairloss, busted blood vessels on my head. It is no joke. Zero libido. Feeling nothing

Skin got all fucked up, so I will try to log what I am going to do to get out of this.

It is log , not some freaking doctors Oz's office for Kiwii and friends LOL

Dont feel attacked. It is not an attack, rather an idea how everybody can profit from others. I am very sorry for the circumstances. I know what severe symptoms are. I would need to list 30 of those BS things I have faced so far. Do not answer if you feel repeating yourself. Neither do I.
So, do me a favour: list all your symptoms. This is helpful. Maybe you are facing new symptoms never having had before, I guess.
Interesting is you got severe symptoms in chelation, when body is weaker or at least doing hard work. Especially liver which must metabolize fin in this state. Big respect.

 

[noprop]

Plesse, write what you took. If you added something to your protocol with your aminos, list it please. And keep it simple. This is very helpful. THX.

 

[Goose12]

Basically everyone wanting to get cured should get a hair test from tei or arl ad follow there recommendations, diet and supplements.

Also get a a Dutch test to see if you have low or high 5 alpha reductase. Then based on your tests and if tei/arl doesn't completely cure you you can go the hormonal route. Based on your results you can use r andro, or anavar.

Based on what we know it's a fact that people have been cured from r andro, ella, detox protocols, and hairtest. People need to follow success and keep it simple.

The electrolyte protocol is for people who refuse to get hair test or have a good understanding of whats going on. Some of you new people have no clue of where this forum started from and how far alot of us have come.

THERE WILL NEVER BE A ONE SIZE FITS ALL CURE.

 

[Helen]

Plesse, write what you took. If you added something to your protocol with your aminos, list it please. And keep it simple. This is very helpful. THX.

I am taking an amino acids supplement with all aminos.( plant based) which I had at home.

PLus extra argInine lysine histidine, glycine cysteine and taurine, plus I am taking biotin.

this is to try to increase MT which is based on histidine and cysteine

I am taking all electrolytes also. Sodium potassium magnesium calcium phosphorus, chloride .

PLus I am taking B vitamins.

I am eating very light now. for couple of days

tomorrow I will see how I can adress the copper issue. with these receding gums.

May be I will have to support a little zinc and manganese to increase MnSOD in mitochondria. And decrease copper SODS and keep urea cycle running.so I can increase aminos without sides.

I will see about that. MnSOD is manganese histidine aspartic acid. Aspartic is not made when NADPH is needed, so I have to support B vitamins to make sure Aspartic acid is made from malate and oxa. Otherwise malate all goes for NADPH. Aspartic goes down and urea cycle is all screwed.
and you get high ammonia.

basically for now I am planning to try this.

 

[Troy]

I am taking an amino acids supplement with all aminos.( plant based) which I had at home.

PLus extra argInine lysine histidine, glycine cysteine and taurine, plus I am taking biotin.

this is to try to increase MT which is based on histidine and cysteine

I am taking all electrolytes also. Sodium potassium magnesium calcium phosphorus, chloride .

PLus I am taking B vitamins.

I am eating very light now. for couple of days

tomorrow I will see how I can adress the copper issue. with these receding gums.

May be I will have to support a little zinc and manganese to increase MnSOD in mitochondria. And decrease copper SODS and keep urea cycle running.so I can increase aminos without sides.

I will see about that. MnSOD is manganese histidine aspartic acid. Aspartic is not made when NADPH is needed, so I have to support B vitamins to make sure Aspartic acid is made from malate and oxa. Otherwise malate all goes for NADPH. Aspartic goes down and urea cycle is all screwed.
and you get high ammonia.

basically for now I am planning to try this.

So not everyone gets pfs. Why do you think you are susceptible? Especially seeing as you would be very bskanced based on what you do

 

[Helen]

So not everyone gets pfs. Why do you think you are susceptible? Especially seeing as you would be very bskanced based on what you do

I got PFS everytime I took fin.

But this time it is really hard, since I was doing chelation therapy. So I guess those with low MT and glutathiones get PFS