Discussing modern medicine

[ruprmurdoch]

In question of genetics, almost all vaxed people are geneticaly modified, beacuse vaccs are made on killed children cells,those children really suffer, beacuse like in transplantation giver have to be alive (so consider your permit for being a giver).

they have even 30 yrs side effects, beacuse viruses/baterias/minerals they can plug veins,capillaries, and that cause MS,neurodegenaritve, strange behaviour like ADHD symptoms-check out Gerth L. Nicoloson from The Institute for Molecular Medicine 16371 Gothard Street H, Huntington Beach , California 92647, he wrote about bacterias and neurdegenaritve disorders. if you do not accept it. And this is treated by surgery CCSVI. So it;s seems like most powerful people with academical medical diploma, create system where you create artificial problem (give little human huge dose of toxins through veins, so in future he will have some serious disease) to solve it mostly by persistent drug intake, or if someone is lucky by surgery. But luckily there is always hope in this world, like existence of Hackstasis forum, people educated himself again about herbs and leeches, politicians who are pro choice in terms of vaccs.



Alternative for mix of substances called vaccs ? Cold baths for those who live in colder places, for others swimming in sea. Every culture evolve their ways to prevent disease, learn what your grand, grand grand fathers/mothers do. Look which herbs they used. Today some plants which were considered as a poison 100yrs ago, are good medicine, beacuse our sugar consupmtion increase a lot (tansy,wormwood).
And people have to have some disease in thier childchood like mumps disease, beacuse this immune our body.

 

[pedal]

But don’t overcompensate. There are situations when you want what modern medicine has figured out. If you become septic you can die, you want antibiotics despite the risks.

If you get in a car wreck and are bleeding internally. You want a surgeon.

There are some cancers, some leukemia’s that have like 80 cure rate with treatment and 0 % cure rate without. Testicular cancer is another example. You get this treated statically you always live. Don’t get it treated you will die.

I agree but what makes you think surgery like cutting something off when you have cancer is part of some modern medicine cult. It's been done for thousands of years, you're paying for people who practice, you're not paying into some modern belief system, and you're not admitting there is no god and you're an atheist.

Modern science created most of our modern health problems so it's not really that great of a victory for modern medicine to cure leukemia when man made radiation probably created it. Cancers used to be very rare just decades ago. People used to know things from generations of living in an environment, they knew what peppers to eat when they wanted to increase adrenaline to run faster or farther, they knew what plants acted as painkillers when they broke a bone while hunting, they knew what foods would help cure cancer if they ever got it in the first place, they knew what aphrodisiacs to eat when they needed to impregnate their wives. People with degrees come along and say these people's knowledge is worthless, and twenty years later discover the same compound that was used, and call this a victory for man.

The whole system is designed to do harm and get more control. When they finally know everything about the body in the future like the sci-fi movies, that won't help everyone because it will be for the elites only. Everything they learn they use against you. And they don't have to wait years for studies to prove the obvious, they're not skeptical morons like we are. So when you see some unfortunate kid getting cured of a rare disease, that's great, but it's used as propaganda for more scientific freedom like experimentation on animals and genetic engineering and further legitimacy for a corrupt medical system that actually reduces the health for the majority of us. You can cure blind children using brain implants without damaging the rest of us when we get the flu.

Probiotics were discovered in Bulgaria using fermented yogurt if I remember correctly. When did western doctors finally get on board? Within the last 10 years. After prescribing destructive antibiotics for decades even when they weren't necessary and the patient would get past his cold within 1-2 days.

Chinese acupuncture is thousands of years old and has a pretty good preventative cure for hairloss and male pattern baldness which is putting needles in certain scalp points for increased circulation, while modern medicine started from the 19th century, they have access to the best of the engineering world, like laser combs for example, and pharma is the biggest industry in the world and yet with all these guns put together their best solution so far is chemical castration with finasteride or minoxidil. They can't even come up with a way to increase circulation to hair follicles that is equal or better than needle points that were discovered thousands of years ago.

 

[Reverse]

I really

Vaccines weren’t a good example for me to include.

But don’t overcompensate. There are situations when you want what modern medicine has figured out. If you become septic you can die, you want antibiotics despite the risks.

If you get in a car wreck and are bleeding internally. You want a surgeon.

There are some cancers, some leukemia’s that have like 80 cure rate with treatment and 0 % cure rate without. Testicular cancer is another example. You get this treated statically you always live. Don’t get it treated you will die.

There are tons of other examples when you want modern medicine. Tons.

Having said that there are tons of examples, as all of us know, when modern medicine harms people for all different reasons.

My point was , start trying to highlight the harms and get rid of that. This will be hard.

You just sound like someone people won’t take seriously or some conspiracy theorist if you start ranting how medicine has done nothing good etc. Even if it’s true you won’t accomplish anything towards the goal of making medicine safer if you just bash it. People won’t take you seriously

The cancer returns in most patients that undergo current cancer treatment and are "cured". Also, better medicine is prevention based, not cure based.

Modern medicine is praised while ignoring that probably 90% of medications cause side effects in all who consume them...Is that really medicine?

Every few hundred years science, medicine, and tech undergoes huge leaps foward in advancement and effectiveness...medical practice however is always defended from ridicule or people resist that there may be a need to re think the entire concept.

But wait that's already happening, CRISPR, CAS9 will launch most likely by yours truely Merk and friends to finally bring about better medicine. I'm almost certain that won't be the case though. And meanwhile all the damage and future damage they will cause will be ignored because of the same hype over modern medicine there is now.

 

[Niles]

In question of genetics, almost all vaxed people are geneticaly modified, beacuse vaccs are made on killed children cells,those children really suffer, beacuse like in transplantation giver have to be alive (so consider your permit for being a giver).

they have even 30 yrs side effects, beacuse viruses/baterias/minerals they can plug veins,capillaries, and that cause MS,neurodegenaritve, strange behaviour like ADHD symptoms-check out Gerth L. Nicoloson from The Institute for Molecular Medicine 16371 Gothard Street H, Huntington Beach , California 92647, he wrote about bacterias and neurdegenaritve disorders. if you do not accept it. And this is treated by surgery CCSVI. So it;s seems like most powerful people with academical medical diploma, create system where you create artificial problem (give little human huge dose of toxins through veins, so in future he will have some serious disease) to solve it mostly by persistent drug intake, or if someone is lucky by surgery. But luckily there is always hope in this world, like existence of Hackstasis forum, people educated himself again about herbs and leeches, politicians who are pro choice in terms of vaccs.



Alternative for mix of substances called vaccs ? Cold baths for those who live in colder places, for others swimming in sea. Every culture evolve their ways to prevent disease, learn what your grand, grand grand fathers/mothers do. Look which herbs they used. Today some plants which were considered as a poison 100yrs ago, are good medicine, beacuse our sugar consupmtion increase a lot (tansy,wormwood).
And people have to have some disease in thier childchood like mumps disease, beacuse this immune our body.

Before modern medicine and vaccines, smallpox killed literally millions of people. Polio killed thousands and crippled hundreds of thousands. Cold baths and herbs didn't save our ancestors from outbreaks. Even though modern medicine is primarily in the business of making money rather than helping people, it absolutely has its place in preventing illness. To ignore the abundantly clear benefits of vaccines and instead posit some convoluted conspiracy theory is absurd. Do you really think vaccines were invented to create chronic illness? We can't even prove that vaccines have caused a significant amount of chronic illness over the course of their history, so how could modern medicine have possibly predicted that they would with enough confidence to secure millions of dollars of funding for their creation, in hopes that they'd maybe make that money back by treating chronic illnesses down the line?

If you're an educated patient, then you can weigh the benefits/detriments of modern treatment versus alternative treatment and decide from there. A blanket statement such as "modern medicine is meant to hurt people" is just as ignorant as saying "all modern medicinal treatment is good". People are hurt by blindly accepting modern medicinal treatment, but people are also hurt by blindly avoiding it.

 

[noprop]

Before modern medicine and vaccines, smallpox killed literally millions of people. Polio killed thousands and crippled hundreds of thousands. Cold baths and herbs didn't save our ancestors from outbreaks. Even though modern medicine is primarily in the business of making money rather than helping people, it absolutely has its place in preventing illness. To ignore the a abundantly clear benefits of vaccines and instead posit some convoluted conspiracy theory is absurd. Do you really think vaccines were invented to create chronic illness? We can't even prove that vaccines have caused a significant amount of chronic illness over the course of their history, so how could modern medicine have possibly predicted that they would with enough confidence to secure millions of dollars of funding for their creation, in hopes that they'd maybe make that money back by treating chronic illnesses down the line?

If you're an educated patient, then you can weigh the benefits/detriments of modern treatment versus alternative treatment and decide from there. A blanket statement such as "modern medicine is meant to hurt people" is just as ignorant as saying "all modern medicinal treatment is good". People are hurt by blindly accepting modern medicinal treatment, but people are also hurt by blindly avoiding it.

There is no study saing vacc.have benefits. Not a single one. Most ppl dont have time to do big! research and even understand.
I have done my research too late. But I understand now what is going on. This wont help the mass. You raise with the believe in docs and science and studies instead of using your brain and doubt and ask. (Immanuel Kant, one of the greatest philosophers ever).

 

[barbaar]

There is no study saing vacc.have benefits. Not a single one. Most ppl dont have time to do big! research and even understand.
I have done my research too late. But I understand now what is going on. This wont help the mass. You raise with the believe in docs and science and studies instead of using your brain and doubt and ask. (Immanuel Kant, one of the greatest philosophers ever).

Dude I'd say not getting polio is a pretty big benefit...

 

[Niles]

There is no study saing vacc.have benefits. Not a single one. Most ppl dont have time to do big! research and even understand.
I have done my research too late. But I understand now what is going on. This wont help the mass. You raise with the believe in docs and science and studies instead of using your brain and doubt and ask. (Immanuel Kant, one of the greatest philosophers ever).

Vaccines have done exactly what they were invented to do - create immunity to disease. How can you say there are no studies showing the benefits of vaccines when smallpox, polio, and measles have nearly been eradicated? There are tons of surveys and studies on the prevalence of these diseases, and they all show a rapid decline corellating with mass administration of vaccines. Hell, you don't even need studies, just ask your parents/grandparents how many people they knew who got these diseases when they were a kid versus how many they know now. On top of this, there are tons of studies on vaccines and titer tests that show immunity being aquired after vaccination, plus studies showing vaccinated individuals being exposed to diseases and not contracting them. I know you are a smart guy, how can you not see this?

 

[noprop]

Vaccines have done exactly what they were invented to do - create immunity to disease. How can you say there are no studies showing the benefits of vaccines when smallpox, polio, and measles have nearly been eradicated? There are tons of surveys and studies on the prevalence of these diseases, and they all show a rapid decline corellating with mass administration of vaccines. Hell, you don't even need studies, just ask your parents/grandparents how many people they knew who got these diseases when they were a kid versus how many they know now. On top of this, there are tons of studies on vaccines and titer tests that show immunity being aquired after vaccination, plus studies showing vaccinated individuals being exposed to diseases and not contracting them. I know you are a smart guy, how can you not see this?

Sorry, but there is no study showing vacc.are the cause of reduced diseases. No way. And the correlations are weak.
Your immune system is in the gut. In the vacc.there are ingredients you dont want to know.
Btw, ppl think vacc.erased diseases. It was shown by a doc on TV that the diseases erased due to better health and immun system and not vaxx which were added later. However, there are plenty ppl never been vaxx and very healthy. Had never issues. Check Dr. J.Mutter, Klinghardt etc. to know what is inside vaxx and what these things can cause. I know docs never taking any vaxx or at least without the h.metals and so on.
Docs are telling you these things are needed to provoque an immun system response by building up antibodies. Go to the doc and ask him how those antibodies look like and what the bodies look Mike to fight against. You guess, he doesnt even know it. Go and check why the Film vaxxed was almost forbidden. Three cinemas in Switzerland introduced Thema. Only three. You guess it - pharma has ultimate power. Vaxx and autism - go for it man. Mercury, alu and testo = autism. Mercury is where? Exactely, Amalgam. Alu? Vaxx. Testo= young males. Prognosis officially: 1 of 50 guys with autism! There are other good things coming from above. AS I said before: take a look around where fin is prescribed in the world, where vaxx are common and where pfs, cancer, autism, neurodegenerative diseases are widespread. Right, in the first world. All these though we might think we would have a better health system. We have a system, right. And AS Lumann says in his theory, systems want to be kept established. And I say, especially cause there is at least one reason to habe established and organised that. Just think about the pill for women. Women was told under the camouflage of feminism they now would get control. Yeah, just look at the population growth rate in russia, germany, UK, switzerland etc. Right! Politicians are saying we need immigration to not get in trouble with our insurance (snowball) system and lack of enough ppl. Do you know the birth rates of immigrants? Much higher than in Switzerland, Germany etc. It is about destroying white men (dht blockers like fin, fast food; metoo Debatte to insecure, estro / hormons everywhere and a lot more) and population and making a population exchange. You need to understand that from a metaposition. I love, adore US ppl, but they are unfort.treated the worst possible way in your country. The american way of life is distraction. No population suffers more but dont geht it. They are driven. Cause it was told you to be able to achieve all want you want. US ppl are very gifted, driven, hard worker, effective. My soul is american.

 

[Jaxx]

 

[bruschi11]

Before modern medicine and vaccines, smallpox killed literally millions of people. Polio killed thousands and crippled hundreds of thousands. Cold baths and herbs didn't save our ancestors from outbreaks. Even though modern medicine is primarily in the business of making money rather than helping people, it absolutely has its place in preventing illness. To ignore the abundantly clear benefits of vaccines and instead posit some convoluted conspiracy theory is absurd. Do you really think vaccines were invented to create chronic illness? We can't even prove that vaccines have caused a significant amount of chronic illness over the course of their history, so how could modern medicine have possibly predicted that they would with enough confidence to secure millions of dollars of funding for their creation, in hopes that they'd maybe make that money back by treating chronic illnesses down the line?

If you're an educated patient, then you can weigh the benefits/detriments of modern treatment versus alternative treatment and decide from there. A blanket statement such as "modern medicine is meant to hurt people" is just as ignorant as saying "all modern medicinal treatment is good". People are hurt by blindly accepting modern medicinal treatment, but people are also hurt by blindly avoiding it.

This is true. Most people don’t lose their dicks and minds and have to become major health addicts for an extended period of time.

People don’t mind the fact that modern medicine isn’t ideal. It’s easy for them. You get sick u take abx. U drink alcohol quite a bit. You try to work out a few times a week, but some times that number gets to 0 or once a week as you get older and have more responsibility. You don’t eat great. Maybe average diet or sub-par to awful.

The modern person doesn’t appreciate survival. That was handed to them. They are searching for more in their lives unless something like PFS or a major chronic illness hits them.

That in hand, disease outbreaks need to be controlled. And vaccines are necessary for this.

But not all have to follow. Alternative is growing in world especially with internet and social media.

My big thing is how to perfect alternative medicine. If alternative medicine is perfected with like 90-99% success rates for incredibly difficult illnesses to fix then the world needs to start paying more attention. And I think that with what we are learning on this site, absolutely anything is possible in restoring a persons health if it’s not too late.

I hate kids getting antidepressants and Adderall. That’s just putting away the future’s great minds. I would love to see htma analysis graphs on all people who have used pharma consistently before or not.

When I say consistently I mean a drug you’re using non stop for extended period of time a la adderall, fin, tane, ADs, anti-anxieties, chemo etc. Versus all human beings who have never touched any drug ever.

Now that would be a cool way of explaining to the world as to how you should take care of your health.

 

[pedal]

Vaccines don't work, they destroyed my sports prospects because I had no energy anymore thanks to the "gifts" of modern medicine, like mercury toxicity and the sluggishness it causes. And I was still sick all the time when I was a kid and so was every other boy who got vaccinated every year.

The polio epidemic was dying out when the vaccine was released. The polio vaccine was created by a Jewish scientist who became as famous as Albert Einstein. So the vaccine took credit for what had occurred naturally and conditioned the people to believe in this science. Vaccines don't exist, it's a false sense of security.

Please remember that the Spanish Flu was created in a lab. What, you think it's a conspiracy and they didn't have the technology? Well during WW1 which is the same time period they used chemical weapons and gas masks to survive them.

When was the first vaccine? The late 1700s. How's that for your science

You are more likely to get the flu if you get a flu vaccine. If you don't want to get sick take vitamin c and vitamin d and arginine and you will never get sick.

Do you trust Merck? Who just bought Monsanto? Here is Bayer a very similar company run by German-Jews:

 

[hairsuit]

Legitimate question for the anti-vaxxers:

What's a reasonable alternative?

Vaccines are clearly not without their faults, but surely the positives of preventing outbreaks of measles, smallpox, and polio outweigh the negatives of the exceptionally rare cases of vaccines causing serious side effects.

My wife is a Naturpath. She has researched vaccines adinfinitum. If you look at the CDC websites, most of the disorders that we are vaccinating against were already on the decline at the beginning/mid 20th century, simply by use of improved hygiene. The drug companies would never tell you that, it was their own vaccine that caused the miracle. In very rare cases, it has been benefitial. For instance..... chicken pox? A vaccine for chicken pox?! Really? So you F with your body and it’s makeup to prevent a childhood illness where you itch a littl bit? We found a friend who’s kid had chicken pox and raced our kids over there so that they could catch it early. Immunity done.

 

[Reverse]

Before modern medicine and vaccines, smallpox killed literally millions of people. Polio killed thousands and crippled hundreds of thousands. Cold baths and herbs didn't save our ancestors from outbreaks. Even though modern medicine is primarily in the business of making money rather than helping people, it absolutely has its place in preventing illness. To ignore the abundantly clear benefits of vaccines and instead posit some convoluted conspiracy theory is absurd. Do you really think vaccines were invented to create chronic illness? We can't even prove that vaccines have caused a significant amount of chronic illness over the course of their history, so how could modern medicine have possibly predicted that they would with enough confidence to secure millions of dollars of funding for their creation, in hopes that they'd maybe make that money back by treating chronic illnesses down the line?

If you're an educated patient, then you can weigh the benefits/detriments of modern treatment versus alternative treatment and decide from there. A blanket statement such as "modern medicine is meant to hurt people" is just as ignorant as saying "all modern medicinal treatment is good". People are hurt by blindly accepting modern medicinal treatment, but people are also hurt by blindly avoiding it.

I don't have all the sources at hand or remember everything I've read but what I do recall is reading a few sources stating that all those diseases that vaccines supposedly prevented are actually prevented due to proper hygiene and proper nutrition.

It may or may not be true....but as pharma likes to counter claim that Correlation doesn't equal causation when completely denouncing legitimate concerns from health conscious people...One might say hygiene and nutrition application made great strides around the same time that vaccines were introduced so maybe vaccines were just coincidence.

Also, like I stated...I know people that didn't get diseases after not taking vaccines.

But I do have a friend that got the HPV shot at 15 and now has 10 or more serious allergies along with other possible sides.....

 

[hairsuit]

Find me someone who has gotten the flu vaccine, who doesn’t then get the very thing they have been vaccinated against. Also, the MMR vaccine...... the majority of kids that get measles, are the kids that have been vaccinated against it. There is a hole there.

 

[Reverse]

My wife is a Naturpath. She has researched vaccines adinfinitum. If you look at the CDC websites, most of the disorders that we are vaccinating against were already on the decline at the beginning/mid 20th century, simply by use of improved hygiene. The drug companies would never tell you that, it was their own vaccine that caused the miracle. In very rare cases, it has been benefitial. For instance..... chicken pox? A vaccine for chicken pox?! Really? So you F with your body and it’s makeup to prevent a childhood illness where you itch a littl bit? We found a friend who’s kid had chicken pox and raced our kids over there so that they could catch it early. Immunity done.

Sounds like how doctors promoted the miracle of cigarettes...hmmm...Yea

I can name ama few more things pharma has pushed that were found to be toxic

 

[noprop]

Vaccines don't work, they destroyed my sports prospects because I had no energy anymore thanks to the "gifts" of modern medicine, like mercury toxicity and the sluggishness it causes. And I was still sick all the time when I was a kid and so was every other boy who got vaccinated every year.

The polio epidemic was dying out when the vaccine was released. The polio vaccine was created by a Jewish scientist who became as famous as Albert Einstein. So the vaccine took credit for what had occurred naturally and conditioned the people to believe in this science. Vaccines don't exist, it's a false sense of security.

Please remember that the Spanish Flu was created in a lab. What, you think it's a conspiracy and they didn't have the technology? Well during WW1 which is the same time period they used chemical weapons and gas masks to survive them.

When was the first vaccine? The late 1700s. How's that for your science

You are more likely to get the flu if you get a flu vaccine. If you don't want to get sick take vitamin c and vitamin d and arginine and you will never get sick.

Do you trust Merck? Who just bought Monsanto? Here is Bayer a very similar company run by German-Jews:

Polio : exactely! Was dying out when vaxx came up. This is what I wanted to say.

 

[noprop]

I don't have all the sources at hand or remember everything I've read but what I do recall is reading a few sources stating that all those diseases that vaccines supposedly prevented are actually prevented due to proper hygiene and proper nutrition.

It may or may not be true....but as pharma likes to counter claim that Correlation doesn't equal causation when completely denouncing legitimate concerns from health conscious people...One might say hygiene and nutrition application made great strides around the same time that vaccines were introduced so maybe vaccines were just coincidence.

Also, like I stated...I know people that didn't get diseases after not taking vaccines.

But I do have a friend that got the HPV shot at 15 and now has 10 or more serious allergies along with other possible sides.....

Go tell your friend to chelate the heavy metals from brain, fat etc. by using NA EDTA infusions. Or buy ENTEROSGEL. If you want to know more, Start a conversation.

 

[Aflac94]

Move the vaccine discussion here

 

[noprop]

Vaccines are the best invention for the modern medicine. Only topped by the things coming from the top. @Helen: she understands that.

 

[pedal]

Vaccines were to disease prevention what Freud was to psychology. Both are a form of Jewish trolling and did major damage to the world, when people are suffering they go to the experts for help and instead of receiving help they get pumped full of shit, literally in the case of doctors and figuratively in the case of therapy. So they don't know where to turn.

The media tells them they're going to die due to some outbreak so as a naive woman they rush to get shots and become sick from them, after a few months they can barely work and are going to lose their job and become impoverished so they rush to the doctor to tell them about their problems from getting vaccinated 3 months earlier and instead of receiving help to detox they get told they are crazy and get referred to the psychiatrist. They get diagnosed with bipolar disorder or schizophrenia and get prescribed medications to "make the problems go away". They become a zombie without a personality and their sex drive drops to nothing which is great news for their husband. At least their problems have been solved. One day they forget to take their pills with them to work, the withdrawal causes a depressive episode so they dump off a bridge to escape the pain and anxiety. Great system, very advanced. I forgot to say this is in America so their widowed husband and kids receive a bill for $30,000 because an ambulance had to pick up the dead body and drive it to the morgue.