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Yeah thats probably the main reason, to feel less unwell and feel a little closer to ‘normal’. But thats pretty much everyone these days. Teens drink tons of alcohol, smoke pot. Adults drink coffee/smoke cigarettes like theres no tomorrow all while eating a junkfood based diet and little exercise but they still wonder why they feel so bad. + they keep looking for a quick fix.
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Yeah, when I did keto or when I break long fasts with carbs my muscles and veins like explode Lol. It's kind like when you don't eat all day then eat a lot of carbs at dinner and your muscles fill it up but like way stronger, I'm assuming due to glycogen
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You send hair in?
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Carbs are going to grow your pool of B-cells because they require glucose for replication, so unless you are following a strategy to help combat EBV you might feel worse regardless if you use potassium/sodium/mag. So that strategy is selenium, glycine, cysteine rich protein sources, B2, and high dose Vitamin D (possibly with low-dose K2).
My general advice for keto is to supplement with B1, glycine, sodium, and B2 when you are re-carbing - and drink tons of water because your body will start sucking it up. If you are re-carbing properly using lots of fruit, you should get adequate potassium through your diet. Fruit is a good place to start when re-carbing, just because the fructose load is easier to handle since it's metabolized directly or metabolized into liver glycogen or triglycerides (which your body already knows how to handle in keto).
Carbs are going to grow your pool of B-cells because they require glucose for replication, so unless you are following a strategy to help combat EBV you might feel worse regardless if you use potassium/sodium/mag. So that strategy is selenium, glycine, cysteine rich protein sources, B2, and high dose Vitamin D (possibly with low-dose K2).
My general advice for keto is to supplement with B1, glycine, sodium, and B2 when you are re-carbing - and drink tons of water because your body will start sucking it up. If you are re-carbing properly using lots of fruit, you should get adequate potassium through your diet. Fruit is a good place to start when re-carbing, just because the fructose load is easier to handle since it's metabolized directly or metabolized into liver glycogen or triglycerides (which your body already knows how to handle in keto).
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Hmm so to keep the EBV under control staying keto would be best for now?
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No, what would be best is to follow the protocol while slowly re-introducing carbs.
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The histidine/folic acid? I am, not feeling any different yet
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I swear people don't read my posts when Helen is in a thread LOL. Histidine and folic acid won't do anything to fight off EBV. Histidine + folic acid will raise hemoglobin, but that won't fight off EBV.
I outlined a protocol several times to fight off EBV in this thread. It involves cysteine (NAC), selenium, glycine, high-dose Vitamin D, B2, vitamin C. Then you could possibly add on valacyclovir + low-dose niacin + zinc if you really want to go further.
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But vit d, vit c, niacin and zinc make me feel like shit. I already tried those in the past. Also selenium didnt do anything
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Zinc and niacin you only take in low doses if you take valacyclovir - that is just because valacyclovir depletes zinc and niacin because it's metabolized through alcohol dehydrogenase.
Zinc would for sure make you feel worse on your own, because EBV uses zinc for replication. Without valacyclovir inhibiting that replication, the zinc would for sure make you feel awful. If you aren't on valacyclovir, you should go on a low-zinc diet (mentioned this in my first post).
The main combo is selenium, cysteine, glycine, high-dose vitamin D (or preferably 30-60 minutes per day of tanning), low-dose K2, vitamin C, low calcium diet. It all needs to be taken together. Just taking one thing won't do anything. Doing this in the context of a low-calcium diet would be best as well.
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I’ll try it all together besides the vitamin d, i really dont feel good on it. I think it increases my calcium too much. Theres still plenty of sun here & i walk my dogs in it every day so that should cover it. Any suggestions on the dosage for everything? I have tons of supplements at home. I think i have all of those besides cysteine.
This is what i have at home:
Selenium: 200mcg
Glycine: 1 gram/scoop
K2: 100mcg/tab
Vitamin c (powder): 1 gram/scoop
Cysteine: don’t have it at home
Is it worth taking magnesium 200mg before bed? I have 200mg tabs here.
I also have an active b-complex which has 100% of every b vitamin (including methylated form of b12 and folate) should i add or not?
I currently am still on keto, didn’t carb up today as i got scared lol. But i eat a lot of ground beef/burgers probably around 20mg zinc from my diet/day. Is that too much already?
Also why low calcium diet? Just asking, im currently on low calcium already, no dairy on keto besides 1 whey shake (30gr whey) which is around 150mg calcium i think.
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