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Helen

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Stay humble. It is still early. Dont forget that you could have taken anavar at 20 or 30 or 40mg a day . This could have blocked your cortisol too much on anavar 40 or 30 a day . And you only worked on adrenaline. As anavar leaving your system now, the ratio of adrenaline to cortisol is getting better and you feel good.

But for us it is important to see the end effect when anavar leaves completely. where this ratio of cortisol and adrenaline will be.

lets say pre anavar you worked on cortisol 80% adrenaline 20%. When you took anavar this ratio went into adrenaline 80% cortisol 20%. Now as it is leaving, you will hit 50/50 at some point. ( I assume where it feels the best) but we are interested in the end effect.


This is what I was talking about, I even think finasteride is ok actually. It just depends on the dosages.

I think if people measure the dosage of finasteride for their body chemistry , fin will have zero sides.

I mean fin is used as progesterone, in people who miss progesterone action.

So lets say your progesterone is at 1.5 and you need 1.7 to be perfect. If you take such a little tiny dosage of fin to get to 1.7. It wont suppress your own progesterone production and this will not only have better libido and erections, it will solve hairloss, better libido, and better energy

But most people just take random dosages and never check the blood.

If people take fin, they need to check their progesterone, the level of progesterone should not change in blood, while you take fin. If this is case, I am 100% sure, FIN will have zero sides and all positive effects and will never cause anything ever coming off it.


Same as with anavar. Lets say a person does not want to take fin for hairloss. But the person can take anavar. the dosage of anavar should be such, that the balance between adrenaline and cortisol becomes ideal. In this way anavar can be run forever with zero sides.


This is the most fucked up thing that happens to people. People dont get tested and start taking crap.

If you take something long term you have to make sure that that something puts you into ideal body chemistry.

when I took finasteride. i checked my blood, it totally suppressed my progesterone to zero. since finasteride is synthetic progestin, body thinks it is progesterone.

And people run finasteride like that for the whole time they take it. OF course this causes major problems. Since you totally substituted all your progesterone with fin.

But if you took such a tiny dosage of fin , that fin ideally decreased DHT, from high to mid range and fin increased progesterone action to ideal without suppressing any of your own progesterone production, This should have zero sides.


Same as I was saying about testosterone. If your testosterone is at 400. and you think lets say it is low. You can supplement test at 10mg a week, at 20 mg a week, at 30 mg a week. and see at which dosages LH starts going down. LH will not go down till the certain level, and when you find that level of test. that test will be optimal for your body chemistry.


This is what happens to older people. if a person has low test like 195 lets say , when he goes on 50mg a week. LH does not even budge down, in some cases it actually goes up a little.


You see this is a reason why many people fail with supplements, since it is all about the dosage. May be you need zinc lets, say , but you need 1-2 mg to get balanced.

but the person takes 25. And from shortage of zinc of 1-2 mg a day, a person goes to excess of 23 mg.


All these things are dosage dependant this is why supplementation industry does not work. this is why hormonal therapies and steroids cycles fail. and even TRT sucks

Since at 100mg per week test that is a huge dose for some people. And most doctors just randomly start from giving this level, and then people have over range test and they think it is good. But nothing over range is good.


bottom line a person can test his hair. then he can take 2-3 hormones, and balance himself into ideal hairtest. But the dosages of hormones will need to be calculated and found. Since if you just take random dosages hairtest will get crazily unbalanced.


bottom line , if you have some health problem and you know about, and if you decided to do substitution therapy it is crazily important that you dosage whatever you take so that dosage puts you into ideal situation.

As an example, if you take thyroid - and you overtake it , you will have as much problems as overtaking finasteride. or overtaking testosterone or estrogen

A person takes thyroid and his TSH goes close to zero and the person just sits on it. this is in 80% of cases of thyroid substitution. YOu cant do this.

YOu can take thyroid so your TSH becomes ideal, not close to zero, in this case you will have no problem running thyroid and wont effect any DNA regulation. like zinc fingers etc.
 
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bruschi11

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Freakin awesome man, so pumped for you. Giving me so much motivation to get through gut issues I have going on!

Easy on the jerk offs bud!! Hahhaha u horny bastard!
 

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@HS is on anavar?

yes my experience is very similar to ihatefins. I started a few days before him, however I tested it first by taking it one day and waiting a few days in between which is how @Helen and I determined the bounce back of high cortisol. I am still on for a bit though. I don't want to jump to conclusions yet since I'm not off but it definitely turned on a switch, like my adrenaline is working properly again.
 

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That sounds ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS @HS. ANd @Ihatefinz.
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HerrFisch

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Stay humble. It is still early. Dont forget that you could have taken anavar at 20 or 30 or 40mg a day . This could have blocked your cortisol too much on anavar 40 or 30 a day . And you only worked on adrenaline. As anavar leaving your system now, the ratio of adrenaline to cortisol is getting better and you feel good.

But for us it is important to see the end effect when anavar leaves completely. where this ratio of cortisol and adrenaline will be.

lets say pre anavar you worked on cortisol 80% adrenaline 20%. When you took anavar this ratio went into adrenaline 80% cortisol 20%. Now as it is leaving, you will hit 50/50 at some point. ( I assume where it feels the best) but we are interested in the end effect.


This is what I was talking about, I even think finasteride is ok actually. It just depends on the dosages.

I think if people measure the dosage of finasteride for their body chemistry , fin will have zero sides.

I mean fin is used as progesterone, in people who miss progesterone action.

So lets say your progesterone is at 1.5 and you need 1.7 to be perfect. If you take such a little tiny dosage of fin to get to 1.7. It wont suppress your own progesterone production and this will not only have better libido and erections, it will solve hairloss, better libido, and better energy

But most people just take random dosages and never check the blood.

If people take fin, they need to check their progesterone, the level of progesterone should not change in blood, while you take fin. If this is case, I am 100% sure, FIN will have zero sides and all positive effects and will never cause anything ever coming off it.


Same as with anavar. Lets say a person does not want to take fin for hairloss. But the person can take anavar. the dosage of anavar should be such, that the balance between adrenaline and cortisol becomes ideal. In this way anavar can be run forever with zero sides.


This is the most fucked up thing that happens to people. People dont get tested and start taking crap.

If you take something long term you have to make sure that that something puts you into ideal body chemistry.

when I took finasteride. i checked my blood, it totally suppressed my progesterone to zero. since finasteride is synthetic progestin, body thinks it is progesterone.

And people run finasteride like that for the whole time they take it. OF course this causes major problems. Since you totally substituted all your progesterone with fin.

But if you took such a tiny dosage of fin , that fin ideally decreased DHT, from high to mid range and fin increased progesterone action to ideal without suppressing any of your own progesterone production, This should have zero sides.


Same as I was saying about testosterone. If your testosterone is at 400. and you think lets say it is low. You can supplement test at 10mg a week, at 20 mg a week, at 30 mg a week. and see at which dosages LH starts going down. LH will not go down till the certain level, and when you find that level of test. that test will be optimal for your body chemistry.


This is what happens to older people. if a person has low test like 195 lets say , when he goes on 50mg a week. LH does not even budge down, in some cases it actually goes up a little.


You see this is a reason why many people fail with supplements, since it is all about the dosage. May be you need zinc lets, say , but you need 1-2 mg to get balanced.

but the person takes 25. And from shortage of zinc of 1-2 mg a day, a person goes to excess of 23 mg.


All these things are dosage dependant this is why supplementation industry does not work. this is why hormonal therapies and steroids cycles fail. and even TRT sucks

Since at 100mg per week test that is a huge dose for some people. And most doctors just randomly start from giving this level, and then people have over range test and they think it is good. But nothing over range is good.


bottom line a person can test his hair. then he can take 2-3 hormones, and balance himself into ideal hairtest. But the dosages of hormones will need to be calculated and found. Since if you just take random dosages hairtest will get crazily unbalanced.


bottom line , if you have some health problem and you know about, and if you decided to do substitution therapy it is crazily important that you dosage whatever you take so that dosage puts you into ideal situation.

As an example, if you take thyroid - and you overtake it , you will have as much problems as overtaking finasteride. or overtaking testosterone or estrogen

A person takes thyroid and his TSH goes close to zero and the person just sits on it. this is in 80% of cases of thyroid substitution. YOu cant do this.

YOu can take thyroid so your TSH becomes ideal, not close to zero, in this case you will have no problem running thyroid and wont effect any DNA regulation. like zinc fingers etc.

So if prefin there was hairloss, is it the progesterone that saves hair or is it the progestin which stops the conversion into cortisol? Probably both right, less cortisol for fast-oxidizer, and faster metabolism for calcification ?
 

Helen

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So if prefin there was hairloss, is it the progesterone that saves hair or is it the progestin which stops the conversion into cortisol? Probably both right, less cortisol for fast-oxidizer, and faster metabolism for calcification ?

BOTH
 

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Sorry , that wasnt really clear :)
You think this would help pssd as well?

It is too early to say even for PFS. Let me see the snap back and test the blood. I need to see that it did fix what we wanted it to fix. and for which case.

Otherwise anavar will be just a stilt. Like lets say , someone has low 5AR. and overexpressed AR as a compensation. We can overexpress AR even further and that person will feel better, but that would not be a fix. that would be increasing the STILT. in some ways we will actually go further from fixing things. You see?

So let me test this, and I will tell you for sure , it this can be applied to PSSD or not.
 

Jaxx

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It is too early to say even for PFS. Let me see the snap back and test the blood. I need to see that it did fix what we wanted it to fix.

Otherwise anavar will be just a stilt. Like lets say , someone has low 5AR. and overexpressed AR. We can overexpress AR even further and that person will feel better, but willl not be fixed. in some ways we will actually go further from fixing things.

So let me test this, and I will tell you for sure, can it be applied to PSSD or not.
Yeah ofcourse, i agree it needs to stick first. Having said that, a proper window like that is already more than ive seen in quite a while. Worse scenario we learned something here i guess
 

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Haha cool. I have a cortisol and b2 test ready to go but I want to let the b vits I was taking flush out for a while before doing them. B2 should be good to go after a week or so right?
Depends a bit how long you were taking it too i guess. Although if it was really low i doubt you would be able to get it to normal levels very fast anyway.
 

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Depends a bit how long you were taking it too i guess. Although if it was really low i doubt you would be able to get it to normal levels very fast anyway.

If I'm not mistaken B2, riboflavin shouldn't really build up in the body much, you just pee it out. Levels should be back to normal after a few days tops especially if it is used like crazy but I'll take a week to be sure.
 

Helen

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If I'm not mistaken B2, riboflavin shouldn't really build up in the body much, you just pee it out. Levels should be back to normal after a few days tops especially if it is used like crazy but I'll take a week to be sure.


b2 is the slowest to deplete and replete. B1 goes up and down fast, but b2 body holds on to like crazy, takes a month to replete

I read some studies, about b1 and b2 . Look for them . and their depletion and repletion times.

I cant find that study now, but it was like b1 and b2 antagonism study in the liver.
 

barbaar

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b2 is the slowest to deplete and replete. B1 goes up and down fast, but b2 body holds on to like crazy, takes a month to replete

I read some studies, about b1 and b2 . Look for them . and their depletion and repletion times.

I cant find that study now, but it was like b1 and b2 antagonism study in the liver.
Oh.. my bad. I only took the b complex for 3 days, do you think it will be ok to do the test after a week of not taking anything? I can wait longer if necessary no problem.