Do you drink alcohol?!..

[tanedout]

What are peoples opinions on this? And what do people think about the pro's and con's of drinking/not drinking?

Some say to completely avoid alcohol (CDnuts protocol for example), but others say some drinking in moderation is a benefit (usually talking about red wine, and I think generally this is due to the reseveratrol content, although it's very low in reality)

Looking at studies, moderate drinkers are more than 30% less likely to suffer from cardiovascular events, but the reasons why are unclear - maybe to due it being relaxing?

I've been pretty much tee-total for a couple of years, but I'm thinking about starting red wine again in moderation (I've certainly seen no benefit whatsoever from stopping alcohol, and I'm now thinking it might even be worse as it could be a benefit with helping you relax)

But then it's estrogenic, harms the liver in high doses? Difficult to know which angle to take

 

[MNK99]

-1. NEVER EVER EVER DRINK AND DRIVE. IT'S NOT COOL.

-2.
QUIT at 23 ish (Easy Way To Quit Alcohol) for the most part, still relapsed till mid 20's and occasionally 27 or so., but most weddings lately none. THIS year, it's been since JAN 6 no cigs no alcohol.

But when I was 25 my p.doc, said it's not really quitting unless it's "never again". So yeah. I HAD HARDCORE (MEGALODON) tolerance. Rum ---> RYE ---> VODKA. (some scotch, only for breakfast tho).

PERFECT DRINK FOR AN ALCOHOLIC = VODKA*.
BEER = CHOICE DRINK FOR FAT WOMEN +/- RELIGIOUS TYPES.
WINE = WHY NOT DRINK APPLE JUICE???? OR I GUESS GRAPE JUICE MAKES MORE SENSE.
GIN = OK AS MOUTHWASH. ---> VODKA ---> THE BEST MARTINI. ---> TRUE WARRIORZ ONLY DRINK CHILLED VODKA STRAIGHT OR IN THEIR WATER BOTTLE/ICED CAFé.
RESTORE YOUR GREY MATTER WITH LiOr. AND FASTING and STEM CELLS. AND STAY SOBER. 90 days for serious drinkers... more like 720 days. QUITTING LONG AS I CAN.

 

[Niles]

I completely abstained from alcohol for about 6 months, but in the past few I've drank light to moderate amounts a couple times a month. For me, and for a few others too, alcohol triggers an upswing for a few days (no idea why). For others in PFS, even a tiny amount of alcohol can trigger a crash. I wouldn't drink daily, even just a glass of wine a day, because I think that would put too much stress on my liver. If I do have any alcohol, I always take emoxypine beforehand to help reduce toxic effects.

 

[RebelWithACause]

I have not drank in months. Last time I drank I landed in the hospital.

Maybe I will drink again soon but I am busy lately. Cannot be arsed to party.

 

[MNK99]

GABA or relaxation. I BET anything I could drink a bottle of vodka next week, zero probs, but I have other reasons to quit too, and PFS motivated that more at the time, but may as well keep it up.

I drank 1 x this yr 9.8mo ago, and 20-40x last yr, and 20-30x the 3 yrs before that a lot at times, a lot first couple yrs - i likes no drinks.

 

[tanedout]

So far then it seems most people drink a bit. Think I'll start on the 'red wine in moderation' soon. I've read of a number of PAS people saying their sides are recovered when they're hungover after heavy drinking - like their brain fog lifts, but then slowly comes back. I've not really noticed this though, and I used to go out drinking quite a lot before my sides worsened.

This could be the reason for the benefits from red wine;

Red Wine Polyphenols Improve Sugar Metabolism
High blood sugar is a risk factor for heart disease. Diabetics, for instance, are at least twice as likely to suffer a heart attack as the general population.1 As it turns out, the polyphenols in red wine may protect your heart by improving insulin function which lowers blood sugar.

Insulin resistance is when the cells of your body aren’t sensitive to the hormone, resulting in elevated blood sugar. This rise in blood sugar causes many problems, such as accelerated atherosclerosis and chronic inflammation.

Red wine polyphenols were shown to decrease insulin resistance between 22% and 30%, indicating improved insulin function. The drop in resistance occurred with both alcoholic and non-alcoholic red wine, proving that the polyphenols are responsible for the decrease in insulin resistance.2

The Life Extension Blog: Why Red Wine is Good for Your Heart

 

[RebelWithACause]

If I drink I go until I cannot drink anymore.

 

[Helen]

If I drink I go until I cannot drink anymore.

Good boy, LOL. I am like you. I never understood how people drink one glass of wine, I just fall asleep from that.

When I used to drink, I never ate at the same time. Otherwise it is a waste))

 

[RebelWithACause]

Good boy, LOL. I am like you. I never understood how people drink one glass of wine, I just fall asleep from that.

When I used to drink, I never ate at the same time. Otherwise it is a waste))

Yes I need to get the buzz and even further. This is why I also landed in hospital. I did not drink for 1 year and then drank a bottle of vodka at a party. I fell on my head, taxi driver called cops and ambulance. I only had 2% alcohol in my blood. Sometimes people have 6%+ in their blood and can still walk fine. LOL

They gave me electrolyte infusion. Or something. Helped with the hangover.

I do not like alcohol as something to drink on random night. I only drink it to party.

 

[MNK99]

-Yes alcohol is very very bad, sorry about that happening @RebelWithACause, similar has happened to me, but not for 4 yrs or so, then 6+.
-ALSO DOESN'T TEE-TOtAL mean... one drink and you're wasted? I didn't vote... it'd be zero - whatever choice means that. Poll = confusing.

 

[MNK99]

that's why it needs to be all or nothing for addicts. (as per tons of addiction research, all the books in my mental health post). And qutting things 5-6yrs, 10yrs, and once then never again, and alcohol 8 yrs cut down 99% zero this yr. But down 99% from 22 to 24 etc.

Good boy, LOL. I am like you. I never understood how people drink one glass of wine, I just fall asleep from that.

When I used to drink, I never ate at the same time. Otherwise it is a waste))

 

[Aflac94]

I don’t drink due to no buzz

 

[bruschi11]

So I had 2 glasses of wine on my 30th Wednesdsy night. Great buzz, felt so nice. It was after betaine hcl had me feeling normal (mentally) for 24 hours.

After those 24 hours- betaine started giving me the “excess betaine hcl/ low cortisol” symptoms. Friday night, friends and family threw suprise party for me. Lol I was shocked- was wearing no socks or underwear. Just hoody sweatshirt and sweatpants it was pretty funny at a somewhat classy bar, restaurant bowling alley.

Anyways- I wasn’t feeling too well that night but not too bad. I drank cuz fuck it- I had to wake up and be social.

I couldn’t feel the booze haha smh. Finally started drinking like taking shots. 8 drinks I had and yes I finally felt it but it wasn’t like a good buzz I had just two nights prior.

Still, hungover like crazy yesterday- but during hangover you guessed it. Prostate comes alive- sex drive. PrObably gave gf our best morning of sex we’ve had.

 

[Pedro melo]

So I had 2 glasses of wine on my 30th Wednesdsy night. Great buzz, felt so nice. It was after betaine hcl had me feeling normal (mentally) for 24 hours.

After those 24 hours- betaine started giving me the “excess betaine hcl/ low cortisol” symptoms. Friday night, friends and family threw suprise party for me. Lol I was shocked- was wearing no socks or underwear. Just hoody sweatshirt and sweatpants it was pretty funny at a somewhat classy bar, restaurant bowling alley.

Anyways- I wasn’t feeling too well that night but not too bad. I drank cuz fuck it- I had to wake up and be social.

I couldn’t feel the booze haha smh. Finally started drinking like taking shots. 8 drinks I had and yes I finally felt it but it wasn’t like a good buzz I had just two nights prior.

Still, hungover like crazy yesterday- but during hangover you guessed it. Prostate comes alive- sex drive. PrObably gave gf our best morning of sex we’ve had.

Could drinking be the answer? just kidding

 

[K8668B]

I quit 18 months ago. Started doing the propecia battle and never looked back. I used to buy an 18-pack of beer, and share it with a woman, and the next thing i knew i was getting my dick sucked. lol. But i want to beat this damn disease. Now it has made me slightly less social, because where im at, it seems like all the girls just want to get drunk and get high. People in my area are so unambitious, that when i chose to quit drinking, and im still doing what im doing, its like their insecurities gets the best of them, and they resent me. Certain trashy types that are all about the drinking/smoking around here, now resent me because i dont drink with them and bang them or whatever. So petty out here. Regardless of their age. Low-IQ bullshit as @MNK99 would say!! hahaha And it has held me back somewhat with the women. But in many more ways, i am so much better with the women these days than i was before because im in great shape, and my thinking is alot clearer, and my mood is alot better. But i function so much better. I dont have sleep disoders, like "non-24" sleep disorder anymore because im no longer drinking. Im really a fitness nut these days too. But i love what i do. I wish i could find a super-fit woman to share the lifestyle in common with her. The drinking always ruined my gains in the gym too. I think im more productive without it. I have bills to pay too! Cant be hungover all the time!

I needed to vent that out! Been on my mind for awhile!

Like @bruschi11 , i always had higher libido/ penile function during a hangover too. 90% of the time during hangovers. a side effect of pfs lol.

 

[MNK99]

-Gotta be GABA effects. Or possibly a channel blocking affects. I'm sure alc would help libido for me too, as anticonvulsant and possibly NE effects of mmj does for me... but both are kind of bad (for seperate but possibly similar reasons) for me... Let's just say neither are conducive to high scores on exams or trading... and stuff for me (probably are for some). In fact I wrote plenty of tests/ high and or slightly drunk, but I was a messed up kid, rite now not worth it.
-Even so doubt it would hurt me long run nor you. (once in a while).
-Its good to socialize, obviously man.
-[also both are bad obviously for an addict who's quit like 10 things, like me... related to and unrelated to post drug disorders]. ---> I am in no way saying, that's "everyone".
-ONE YR AGO or 6-9mo ago? Yeah probably keep me sick and last yr.
-I could smoke a few cigs have bad asthma (probably pretty bad asthma) for a few days/ but be fine.. but it's a bad idea. I haven't done either since Jan 6.
-I will likely smoke or have some vodka in NY bc It will be tense. I got better shyt tho.

- @K8668B with Substances of Abuse... you gotta go hard or go home. Lol. JK. ))) But also literally being honest and factually correct.
- I'd treat it with the same precautions I'd treat SARDINES with. @BeLikeWater.