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[heygate]

Hair test.

Iv had POIS all my life, suffer terrible histamine related symptoms and other symptoms emotional and physical.

iv had a chronic form of meningoencephalitis for the last two and half years. have spent thousands of hours in a sauna. The swelling has almost gone from my head and sinus but its been unreal and very very difficult.

i have really bad scarring from an injury and a bath using nizrol about two years ago. still got bad pain and peyroines from this.

also had bad hairloss from edema in my head.


i did hydrogen water and inhalations from may to end of august.

as of late all iv been taking is B1 magnesium LDN and dead sea salt baths. - still get pois from all this but takes the edge off.

as of a week ago (after the hairtest) iv been trying the 12%dht. for my scarring @joekool thanks for your knowledge here. strong stuff, adrenaline response, insomnia, low libido. not good when applied before a sauna, i had pretty bad toxcity symptoms and a ridiculous heart rate after a couple of hours at the baths. Interestingly POIS is completely eliminated whilst on it and sticks when i skip a day or so (does make me tempted to go down a hormonal route for a quick fix if ill need it, which i might!). will probably stop using it though, dont like the way i feel on it and want to get back to base,however i can tolerate it with loads of fulvic acid.

my hair test shows ridiculous calcium levels which is the opposite to what i expected considering all the saunas iv been doing. i dont know if it is to do with my swollen head or hydro or what. the hair they tested wasnt cut really close up my scalp so the results could be from a few months back. Either way still got the POIS!

would love to hear any thoughts or feedback on my hair test if any one has the time, its been great to be a part of this forum, its a good place !

Thanks.

 

[Helen]

Hair test.

Iv had POIS all my life, suffer terrible histamine related symptoms and other symptoms emotional and physical.

iv had a chronic form of meningoencephalitis for the last two and half years. have spent thousands of hours in a sauna (seriously). The swelling has almost gone from my head and sinus but its been unreal and very very difficult.

i have really bad scarring from an injury and a bath using nizrol about two years ago. still got bad pain and peyroines from this.

also had bad hairloss from edema in my head.


i did hydrogen water and inhalations from may to end of august.

as of late all iv been taking is B1 magnesium LDN and dead sea salt baths. - still get pois from all this but takes the edge off.

as of a week ago (after the hairtest) iv been trying the 12%dht. for my scarring @joekool thanks for your knowledge here. strong stuff, adrenaline response, insomnia, low libido. not good when applied before a sauna, i had pretty bad toxcity symptoms and a ridiculous heart rate after a couple of hours at the baths. Interestingly POIS is completely eliminated whilst on it and sticks when i skip a day or so (does make me tempted to go down a hormonal route for a quick fix if ill need it, which i might!). will probably stop using it though, dont like the way i feel on it and want to get back to base,however i can tolerate it with loads of fulvic acid.

my hair test shows ridiculous calcium levels which is the opposite to what i expected considering all the saunas iv been doing. i dont know if it is to do with my swollen head or hydro or what. the hair they tested wasnt cut really close up my scalp so the results could be from a few months back. Either way still got the POIS!

would love to hear any thoughts or feedback on my hair test if any one has the time, its been great to be a part of this forum, its a good place !

Thanks.

Did you check your DHT levels in blood?

Hormones?

Pois is allopregnenolone imbalance.


It could be from too high or two low 5AR.

DHT causes alkalosis by increasing aldosterone, this is why you could tolerate it with fulvic acid.( which is acid)

Slow oxidizer like you is already alkaline. since you work only on adrenaline.


your DHT might be already high in blood.

But magnesium does look low.

May be try magnesium with b2


Also when I had POIS, I remember I got more pois from salt.


Do you have any labs , like blood labs also?

 

[heygate]

no bloods, but will be getting them checked very soon. i only started using the DHT because i thought it would only have a localised effect, i didnt expect the side effects.

what specifically should i get tested in bloods? any thoughts on the hair test @Helen ?

so if i have already high DHT then taking dht could be a cure as its weaker than my own and therefore anti DHT? or have i misunderstood you?

i get very low E2 symptoms on it, off 1 drop

 

[Helen]

no bloods, but will be getting them checked very soon. i only started using the DHT because i thought it would only have a localised effect, i didnt expect the side effects.

what specifically should i get tested in bloods? any thoughts on the hair test @Helen ?

so if i have already high DHT then taking dht could be a cure as its weaker than my own and therefore anti DHT? or have i misunderstood you?

Lets say this DHT is as strong as your DHT. this gel is not weaker it seems, it is bio identical, Which is what Stud told me.

Then if this gel is bioidentical , then it inhibits 5AR.

SO if it inhibits 5AR, then it lowers your allopregnenolone and you feel less POIS

You have more POIS with B1 right. you should feel like shit on it in this case

Since b1 increases NADPH. and NADPH increases 5 AR and this creates more allopregnenolone


Usually what people with POIS did was load on B1 huge doses and then quit. Not stay on it.

Like for me when I went on B1, I had POIS while on it. And if I loaded on it huge and then come off, I had zero POIS



Also have you tried B2. since b2 lowers NADPH. And 5AR, so lets say if you have too high 5AR which causes your high allopregnenolone,

may be B2 is too low.


your hairtest show copper toxicity. May be that toxicity is what screws up your serotonin levels. and this is what lowers your B2.

So I think you probably will like zinc and manganese. that they are giving you.

 

[Helen]

@heygate do you get rid of POIS from aspirin?

Does going on testosterone gets rid of your symptoms? POIS?

 

[heygate]

i was only taking like 4mg b1, felt terrible on it to begin with but it helped with histamine symptoms so in that respect it worked but otherwise i felt terrible on it. i would say less pois on it though.

i tried aspirin ages ago and felt terrible on it. did not do enough to continue.

i havent tried testosterone, but very recently i was thinking of trying it after seeing how the dht helped, i am just unsure as to which to take (proviron)? and what to pair it with and what dose. my guess is my POIS would be gone on it though...

 

[heygate]

what can i take to block aldosterone with the dht?

@Helen how much b2 should i try?

 

[Helen]

i was only taking like 4mg b1, felt terrible on it to begin with but it helped with histamine symptoms so in that respect it worked but otherwise i felt terrible on it. i would say less pois on it though.

i tried aspirin ages ago and felt terrible on it. did not do enough to continue.

i havent tried testosterone, but very recently i was thinking of trying it after seeing how the dht helped, i am just unsure as to which to take (proviron)? and what to pair it with and what dose. my guess is my POIS would be gone on it though...

proviron is not testosterone,
you need to test your bloods for hormones, before you play with hormones.

it is hard to block aldo effects of DHT , since it is not a regulate aldosterone secretion.

It is obvious that you dont get rid of POIS from DHT action. You get rid of POIS from DHT blocking 5 alpha reductase. and get symptoms from DHT action.

same as some people get rid of POIS totally while on finasteride

My advice , test your blood, for hormones , and we will have a better picture.

 

[Helen]

@heygate

Did you try to take active vitamin b6. With magnesium. tell me what do you feel on that

 

[heygate]

@Helen

What TEI sent me

MINERAL METABOLISM AND VITAMIN B6

A deficiency of, or increased requirement for vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) leads to alterations in the metabolism, utilization and balance between calcium and magnesium. Calcium retention will increase and the excretion of magnesium will also increase when vitamin B6 is lacking. Therefore, an increased need for vitamin B6 may be indicated by your current HTMA pattern.

 

[Helen]

@Helen

What TEI sent me

MINERAL METABOLISM AND VITAMIN B6

A deficiency of, or increased requirement for vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) leads to alterations in the metabolism, utilization and balance between calcium and magnesium. Calcium retention will increase and the excretion of magnesium will also increase when vitamin B6 is lacking. Therefore, an increased need for vitamin B6 may be indicated by your current HTMA pattern.

and vitamin B2 is what activates b6.

 

[joekool]

Dht won't block 5ar. There's a positive feedback loop between those two

 

[Helen]

Dht won't block 5ar. There's a positive feedback loop between those two

those studies are done with stuff weaker than DHT and not bio identical DHT. There is no positive feedback loop between these.. DHT causes aldosterone release, estrogen causes aldosterone fall. SO It is impossible to have a positive feedback loop, since these things are so tightly regulated.

Most things that they use is weaker than DHT which they call DHT, thus 5AR is induced. IMO

that is why there is a huge difference between using proviron or masterone and this DHT gel for some people.

One gives you libido and another kills libido. Just like in Stud's case. total different effects from this gel and other Dht derivatives.

the opposite effects actually. One gives anxiety and another takes away anxiety. SO allopregnenolone goes up and down and thus 5 AR


But you are right I dont know What this gel is exactly. It could be anything, it could be anadrol ))

 

[heygate]

i took the dht for 7days and have now been off it for 7days. the 7th day i took it was so scary. very very high blood pressure adrenaline and anxiety. pure panic at times, an absolute nightmare staying calm and had another 'fuck am i going to die' moment

all week (and last week) iv had insomnia, anxiety, hair shedding and relentless adrenaline.

iv tried pregnelone and vitex which dont really help. ashwagandha has stopped helping. iv been taking loads of fulvic acid everyday.

what can i do here? i need to get my adrenaline down. this stuff takes an age to wear off

i am guessing the hairloss/shedding is not permanent right? my scalp is very itchy.

@Helen @joekool any ideas as to what might help? Or do I just have to ride this out?

 

[heygate]

iv been taking ashwagandha, lysine, sulforaphane, electrolytes, fulvic acid, malic acid, high doses of zinc/magnesium and infrared lamp an hour a day, plus dry saunas and still i am in the shit.
My adrenaline just won't stop it's constant, this stuff just doesn't wear off. It's honestly horrendous I'm really suffering here.

Can I go on the tei supposed recommended above? Or are they now wrong for my new body chem? Do I need to retest?

Should I try sodium thiosulphate first?

Can anyone advise me as to what I should do?

 

[Helen]

iv been taking ashwagandha, lysine, sulforaphane, electrolytes, fulvic acid, malic acid, high doses of zinc/magnesium and infrared lamp an hour a day, plus dry saunas and still i am in the shit.
My adrenaline just won't stop it's constant, this stuff just doesn't wear off. It's honestly horrendous I'm really suffering here.

Can I go on the tei supposed recommended above? Or are they now wrong for my new body chem? Do I need to retest?

Should I try sodium thiosulphate first?

Can anyone advise me as to what I should do?

man, just try magnesium with potassium.

Contact me in the PM, I will try to help you.

You need to go on TEI program and stay on it. Stop this random crap.

 

[heygate]

Have been taking loads of mag and relative amounts of potassium but my heart just won't stop thumping

 

[Helen]

Have been taking loads of mag and relative amounts of potassium but my heart just won't stop thumping

have you tried to take sodium?

 

[heygate]

yep i salt loaded last night, hasnt worked, iv tried salt baths too

 

[SwaZ]

yep i salt loaded last night, hasnt worked, iv tried salt baths too

Have you tried taurine with potassium and magnesium?