A protocol Based on CSF steroid levels

[Helen]

This is a protocol based on the PFS theory which was outlined recently.

I don't know if this will work . but we do have lower 17 beta estradiol, DHT, progesterone , and pregnenolone in CFS

I wonder if we can cycle this combination to try if this sticks and works.

1) estradiol
2) DHT
3) progesterone
4) pregnenolone

Notice that testosterone will be lowered with this.


@Jack17 may be you can try this?

 

[Jack17]

This is a protocol based on the PFS theory which was outlined recently.

I don't know if this will work . but we do have lower 17 beta estradiol, DHT, progesterone , and pregnenolone in CFS

I wonder if we can cycle this combination to try if this sticks and works.

1) estradiol
2) DHT
3) progesterone
4) pregnenolone

Notice that testosterone will be lowered with this.


@Jack17 may be you can try this?

Helen
Two days ago I started anavar and progesterone. What do you think about that?
Three days ago I (after reading the posts I did progesterone and testosterone both topical but felt bad. Felt swollen and fatigue. Wonder if for me, since my testosterone is already high, it just is converted to estrogen. And looking at csf results testestoerone is high in peripheral and csf. I don’t have estrogen or pregnenolone. What do you think about just staying on anavar and progesterone for now?

 

[Helen]

Helen
Two days ago I started anavar and progesterone. What do you think about that?
Three days ago I (after reading the posts I did progesterone and testosterone both topical but felt bad. Felt swollen and fatigue. Wonder if for me, since my testosterone is already high, it just is converted to estrogen. And looking at csf results testestoerone is high in peripheral and csf. I don’t have estrogen or pregnenolone. What do you think about just staying on anavar and progesterone for now?

yeah, you can try this route also.

 

[Helen]

If this protocol does not recover people. we will know 100% , that people are copper toxic in the brain. . and that is why brain binds

Estradiol.

This explains Raincoast recovery from PFS< and he took fin for 15 years. And recovered in half a year. On my protocol. same as orion.

 

[Helen]

This is why people have hairloss, if brain copper is high. brain stops estradiol. And tissues basically get zero copper. and iron. since estradiol raises ceruloplasmin , which then takes copper out of the liver and this also raises iron. And tissues then get copper and iron, which makes nitric oxide and SOD

and you get hairloss. if your brain is high in copper or iron.

this is why it is called copper toxicity and deficiency at the same time.


another possibility could be iron toxicity. And this cases estradiol also will be low.

And there was a study, that found that manganese was low in every case with hairloss


if you read ARL or TEI websites, or Wilson, they will explain this to you.

 

[Helen]

Unfortunately, I have high manganese and hair loss.

high manganese in hair, is body losing it. and it is not like you feed manganese alone and that fixes hairloss.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Very interesting. I was thinking and reading about copper on Wilson.

Before finasteride I was highly emotional and creative (high copper?). On finasteride no emotions but angry and anxious. After finasteride first no emotions after that bat shit-crazy mode. Could be that finasteride by raise in estrogen makes you even more copper toxic in long run?

TEI seems to be first to address the craziness. I might be copper toxic. The way I was, was not normal. I had thoughts of violence and killing people because I would be so angry at them. Random people. Or a friend.

Slowly feel calmer and more level headed. Not sure if it is TEI. It is slow process.

Before finasteride I was also angry a lot. Like extreme adrenaline angry. Almost daily.

Not sure if this adds to the hypothesis but I think copper is big part of my problem.

 

[Helen]

Very interesting. I was thinking and reading about copper on Wilson.

Before finasteride I was highly emotional and creative (high copper?). On finasteride no emotions but angry and anxious. After finasteride first no emotions after that bat shit-crazy mode. Could be that finasteride by raise in estrogen makes you even more copper toxic in long run?

TEI seems to be first to address the craziness. I might be copper toxic. The way I was, was not normal. I had thoughts of violence and killing people because I would be so angry at them. Random people. Or a friend.

Slowly feel calmer and more level headed. Not sure if it is TEI. It is slow process.

Before finasteride I was also angry a lot. Like extreme adrenaline angry. Almost daily.

Not sure if this adds to the hypothesis but I think copper is big part of my problem.

all this stuff about being copper toxic and copper deficient at the same time, came from ECK.

he was the first who mentioned it and all the ARL and TEI is based on that.

And then the whole internet started to talk about it; but they still dont get how it happens ))

 

[Helen]

Or liver toxicity. because of impaired bile flow from fin.

that is why liver flushes is a must. ))) After 10 liver flushes, all PFS symptoms will be diminished 10 times))

 

[RebelWithACause]

all this stuff about being copper toxic and copper deficient at the same time, came from ECK.

he was the first who mentioned it and all the ARL and TEI is based on that.

And then the whole internet started to talk about it; but they still dont get how it happens ))

Does anyone know how it happens?

 

[Goose12]

This is why people have hairloss, if brain copper is high. brain stops estradiol. And tissues basically get zero copper. and iron. since estradiol raises ceruloplasmin , which then takes copper out of the liver and this also raises iron. And tissues then get copper and iron, which makes nitric oxide and SOD

and you get hairloss. if your brain is high in copper or iron.

this is why it is called copper toxicity and deficiency at the same time.


another possibility could be iron toxicity. And this cases estradiol also will be low.

And there was a study, that found that manganese was low in every case with hairloss


if you read ARL or TEI websites, or Wilson, they will explain this to you.

I was reading that estradiol also plays a role in NA and K chloride transportation Brain Meets Body: The Blood-Brain Barrier as an Endocrine Interface

 

[Helen]

Does anyone know how it happens?

I just explained to you how it happens.

Brain gets copper toxic. and then it stops estradiol. and tissue get copper deficient.


this is why women who insert copper IUDs can get fucked.

 

[Goose12]

Unfortunately, I have high manganese and hair loss.

Like Helen said, you are losing manganese. Tei sees this in your hairtest and gives you mare manganese. That's what they are doing with me.

 

[RebelWithACause]

I just explained to you how it happens.

Brain gets copper toxic. and then it stops estradiol. and tissue get copper deficient.


this is why women who insert copper IUDs can get fucked.

I mean how does brain get copper toxic? Can this happen at birth from mother? Or is this diet/environment? Could be anything probably.

 

[Helen]

I guess we will know soon, since Raincoast has recovered from PFS. and he took copper chelation program which we created, but he was a slow oxidizer/

 

[Helen]

I mean how does brain get copper toxic? Can this happen at birth? Or is this diet/environment? Could be anything probably.

it can happen from many things, like estrogen everywhere, it could happen from low thyroid. it can happen from copper pipes.

it can also happen from drugs, and steroids. since you take testosterone. and what you get ,. you get estradiol. but you get estradiol from low metabolism.


Testosterone goes up with the speed of metabolism to get to estradiol and retain copper.


but just imagine people take steroids all the time, they simply get copper toxic. in the brain.

 

[barbaar]

Very interesting. I was thinking and reading about copper on Wilson.

Before finasteride I was highly emotional and creative (high copper?). On finasteride no emotions but angry and anxious. After finasteride first no emotions after that bat shit-crazy mode. Could be that finasteride by raise in estrogen makes you even more copper toxic in long run?

TEI seems to be first to address the craziness. I might be copper toxic. The way I was, was not normal. I had thoughts of violence and killing people because I would be so angry at them. Random people. Or a friend.

Slowly feel calmer and more level headed. Not sure if it is TEI. It is slow process.

Before finasteride I was also angry a lot. Like extreme adrenaline angry. Almost daily.

Not sure if this adds to the hypothesis but I think copper is big part of my problem.

I was the same before SSRI, highly emotional (sadly, mostly negative emotions) lots of anxiety, creative, always thinking about things. After SSRI I barely remember what proper emotions are and my mind feels empty most of the time unless I force myself to think.

I also used to get so fucking angry about random shit before SSRI sometimes, that hasn't happened in years now. Except 2 weeks ago if I remember correctly I could actually be pissed off for one day and it was nice lol

 

[Helen]

So the question is are PFS people copper toxic or deficient.

we can easily find out. if they run the protocol above and recover. they are copper deficient

If they run the protocol and it wont stick. after they quit. then they are copper toxic.

 

[RebelWithACause]

I was the same before SSRI, highly emotional (sadly, mostly negative emotions) lots of anxiety, creative, always thinking about things. After SSRI I barely remember what proper emotions are and my mind feels empty most of the time unless I force myself to think.

I also used to get so fucking angry about random shit before SSRI sometimes, that hasn't happened in years now. Except 2 weeks ago if I remember correctly I could actually be pissed off for one day and it was nice lol

Yea I think a lot of people are fucked up. Some guys they go SSRI way to deal with it. Others lose their hair and use finasteride lol. And then you got guys who get terrible acne (high copper too?) and go accutane. I see a lot of similarities with all 3 people who used these compounds.

 

[Helen]

yeah, and what vitamin A does. or accutane/ It raises ceruloplasmin many fold))