RebelWithACause
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It is probably both. Don't take drugs my friend. Push through.
After 2.5 weeks your test is close to ZERO. In 2 weeks you probably have a bit of your own testosterone back. You might feel better then.
Eat clean, go to bed early and do the posture excercises.
In 5 weeks do a hair test and go on TEI. Or do the RU cycle. But with RU it is more guesswork since you don't have picture of what happens in your case.
These are the steps.
Thanks RWAC!
I am doing my best to push through. Eating Clean, juicing, taking mag and potassium. Insomnia remains and issue. Posture exercise I'm doing. Not much motivation to hit the gym.
I have considered RU or R Andro to just help with my anxiety and mental sides, as many folks here report that this helped their mental sides more than anything, concerned especially with the RU that this may mess me up further. My goal is to stay functional at work and home. Get hair test in December with some labs and then I'll have a clearer picture of where things stand with me.
I am doing my best to push through. Eating Clean, juicing, taking mag and potassium. Insomnia remains and issue. Posture exercise I'm doing. Not much motivation to hit the gym.
I have considered RU or R Andro to just help with my anxiety and mental sides, as many folks here report that this helped their mental sides more than anything, concerned especially with the RU that this may mess me up further. My goal is to stay functional at work and home. Get hair test in December with some labs and then I'll have a clearer picture of where things stand with me.
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Thanks for checking in. I remain with insomnia, my anxiety hits hard mornings then improves as the day goes on. Brain fog and cognition are a little better . After communicating with Catherine. She said 6 weeks after stopping testosterone was good to send the hair sample. (I know I took mag and potassium and hair test may be screwy) I have sent it and waiting. I have also ordered RU and waiting. At this time I am more inclined to just get on TEI.
Thanks for checking in. I remain with insomnia, my anxiety hits hard mornings then improves as the day goes on. Brain fog and cognition are a little better . After communicating with Catherine. She said 6 weeks after stopping testosterone was good to send the hair sample. (I know I took mag and potassium and hair test may be screwy) I have sent it and waiting. I have also ordered RU and waiting. At this time I am more inclined to just get on TEI.
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@Sawsides
Alright good. Yea first test can always be a bit fucked up from supplementation. I had same but even on this cycle I notice small mental improvements. Got to do the first one anyways at some point. I am curious about your test and if it is similar to Goose and other saw palmetto guys.
TEI results are in, These are 6 weeks after stopping testosterone and 13 weeks after last dose of Saw Palmetto.
Slow 1 with elevated Nickel and Lithium and Cobalt and to a certain extent Zinc. Low Sodium/Potassium ratio. High Zinc/Copper ratio
I have screws in my knee and a dental implant that may explain the Nickel. Never ever taken Lithium in any form.
Supplements are high in B6
Diet suggestion are 40/40?20 Protein/Carb/Fat. Low purine foods and methionine rich foods. I plan to start the diet right away and break from it for 24 h at Christmas.
@Goose12 @RebelWithACause @Orion @bruschi11 @Boris @Helen @MNK99 @snowball
Guys, any and all comments, suggestions are most welcome and appreciated.
Slow 1 with elevated Nickel and Lithium and Cobalt and to a certain extent Zinc. Low Sodium/Potassium ratio. High Zinc/Copper ratio
I have screws in my knee and a dental implant that may explain the Nickel. Never ever taken Lithium in any form.
Supplements are high in B6
Diet suggestion are 40/40?20 Protein/Carb/Fat. Low purine foods and methionine rich foods. I plan to start the diet right away and break from it for 24 h at Christmas.
@Goose12 @RebelWithACause @Orion @bruschi11 @Boris @Helen @MNK99 @snowball
Guys, any and all comments, suggestions are most welcome and appreciated.
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MNK99
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Follow the diet man, and keep up exercise. Doesn't sound so bad. No toxicity? Not sure about the Li, but probably from water... or some other electrolytic balance... not sure.
I had some elevated Li and no Cobalt (I don't eat foods with Cobalt perhaps, but more likely it was from extended water fasting and also fasted training/ alt day fasting all year maybe).
The Li for me was because of ever slightly dosing lithium (just a tiny bit, none in 2-3months). I just did a short water fast, will break soon with veggie broth, then soon after egg soup maybe ( a quick version), and then eat more like what they said, as I just got it in again. ---I felt euphoric/ happy/ calm and breaking fast will be agitating for sure, this much I know. So, I want to start TEI again.
I did order anavar, but will likely do 40more d of this cycle then a retest, then one more cycle, then potentially anavar, then more TEI.
Tei helps other non pfs issues for me, so it's good to keep up. I think fasting pretty much helps asthma too but not as much, TEI really quickly helped it but that's a low priority concern, also helped various disorders (like insomnia particularly). -Talking about Li, TEI helps mood way more than that (non pfs, helps that too, but mood - agitation, etc, will be here after PFS, I'm quite certain).
Honestly, I'd just stick it out even with digestion issues. 4-7d fasting can fix that if in pretty good health. Slight digestion problem? Even 24hrs can fix that.
I did a lot for PFS, and some for mood/ADHD. However, TEI takes care of so many things at once, it's pretty crazy in a good way. I could have possibly just fasted Jan and Feb, then done TEI. I'm glad I did the rest of what I did, but that's like a 2 step approach which makes it seem a lot easier in retrospect. Then again, everything looks less difficult when time's past. It was definitely not easy. This phase seems so, but who knows, maybe cycle 2 or 3 of TEI will make me gain or lose 20lb or something drastic, I doubt it but maybe.
Breaking fast kind of pisses me off, bc company all in my business/ solo most of adulthood/ didn't explain stuff mostly. Definitely not since most recent 8yrs... but it's ok.
I really hate explaining things, and I really hate being confined to the table for hours to eat. It's just not me, I like moving around a lot.
I had some elevated Li and no Cobalt (I don't eat foods with Cobalt perhaps, but more likely it was from extended water fasting and also fasted training/ alt day fasting all year maybe).
The Li for me was because of ever slightly dosing lithium (just a tiny bit, none in 2-3months). I just did a short water fast, will break soon with veggie broth, then soon after egg soup maybe ( a quick version), and then eat more like what they said, as I just got it in again. ---I felt euphoric/ happy/ calm and breaking fast will be agitating for sure, this much I know. So, I want to start TEI again.
I did order anavar, but will likely do 40more d of this cycle then a retest, then one more cycle, then potentially anavar, then more TEI.
Tei helps other non pfs issues for me, so it's good to keep up. I think fasting pretty much helps asthma too but not as much, TEI really quickly helped it but that's a low priority concern, also helped various disorders (like insomnia particularly). -Talking about Li, TEI helps mood way more than that (non pfs, helps that too, but mood - agitation, etc, will be here after PFS, I'm quite certain).
Honestly, I'd just stick it out even with digestion issues. 4-7d fasting can fix that if in pretty good health. Slight digestion problem? Even 24hrs can fix that.
I did a lot for PFS, and some for mood/ADHD. However, TEI takes care of so many things at once, it's pretty crazy in a good way. I could have possibly just fasted Jan and Feb, then done TEI. I'm glad I did the rest of what I did, but that's like a 2 step approach which makes it seem a lot easier in retrospect. Then again, everything looks less difficult when time's past. It was definitely not easy. This phase seems so, but who knows, maybe cycle 2 or 3 of TEI will make me gain or lose 20lb or something drastic, I doubt it but maybe.
Breaking fast kind of pisses me off, bc company all in my business/ solo most of adulthood/ didn't explain stuff mostly. Definitely not since most recent 8yrs... but it's ok.
I really hate explaining things, and I really hate being confined to the table for hours to eat. It's just not me, I like moving around a lot.
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Looks like typical pfs/saw hair test. The same supps I took on my second cycle. Just follow tei supps and diet.
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Bro, @Goose12 - is there a short form write up of the diet? I keep rereading the TEI stuff, and forgetting. I just try and eat what was said in that Slow Oxi (ketogenic) diet. Literally all I see is "don't eats" and some heading are italicized, capitalized... different fonts. I'm not sure what they're trying to say.
Their headings are all random on the TEI HTMA Report. I mean it's like: "Do not eat these", "reduce intake" (no underline), "acceptable". I don't know what the hell they're talking about. So I just eat protein mostly, fat secondly, carbs least (for Slow 1), add more fish, get rid of all PUFA's, maybe some peanut butter 1-2x a month, some cheese rarely, after a major workout. Mostly no Ca foods, definitely no milk, yogurt, etc.
I add some proper fish and rice here and there. Rice is my main carb source, also some sweet potatoes. Basically just a bit cleaner of what I ate most this year after refeed (which was even stricter, because one does not want to mess that up). I got rid of the spinach + aminos + electros with every meal, will add back if need be, but I don't think I need to. Just running TEI. Mini cycle here and there maybe but mostly TEI.
Their headings are all random on the TEI HTMA Report. I mean it's like: "Do not eat these", "reduce intake" (no underline), "acceptable". I don't know what the hell they're talking about. So I just eat protein mostly, fat secondly, carbs least (for Slow 1), add more fish, get rid of all PUFA's, maybe some peanut butter 1-2x a month, some cheese rarely, after a major workout. Mostly no Ca foods, definitely no milk, yogurt, etc.
I add some proper fish and rice here and there. Rice is my main carb source, also some sweet potatoes. Basically just a bit cleaner of what I ate most this year after refeed (which was even stricter, because one does not want to mess that up). I got rid of the spinach + aminos + electros with every meal, will add back if need be, but I don't think I need to. Just running TEI. Mini cycle here and there maybe but mostly TEI.
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I don't think there is anything else on the diet except whats in the report. I think slow 1 is 40% protien, 40% carbs, and 20%. Sounds like your diet now us pretty good but maybe add more carbs.
Meat, sweet potatoes, and rice is basically the okinawa diet. Sounds like you are doing good to me.
The big thing is to stay away from processed foods and dairy. Tei recommended I stay away from kale and spinach, I think it's because of the calcium. Anything that slows you down is bad.
Just eat clean and work on balancing the macros
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I also had high zinc/copper ratio and low sodium potassium ratio. And more lol. Like Goose said take the supps And retest
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Same TEI results for me. Agree with Goose/RWAC
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You’re a fast oxidizer right? Or began as one right? You should be getting calcium man. Maybe not from dairy, but gotta get some.
Almond milk? I love it- just get it Unsweetened. almond/coconut is favorite.
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I don't know dude... Maybe when I was overweight I was slow like 10-16 yrs old.
And skinny, Fast.. and strong slower...
I don't know. But neither ARL was super fast nor TEI super slow. Tei slow 1.
All the things I do should make a person faster. Fasted training, ran like 8 years or so, lifted like 14. Cold showers, dressing like it's Haiwaii in Canada, coffee/stims at times (not during Tei but I mean historically). Looks fairly balanced but not the best, can be healthier a bit.
By the way look very ripped on water fast.
In eating food less bloated than last time after fast and way way less (like near zero compared to) after first water fast in Jan.
Some stomach expansion is normal (not bloating) but look fuller after eating in normal times right ? Goes down as food is digested and look in shape. Look more in shape fasting tho. Gotta eat tho at times.
A lot of physical activity and regimented eating over years probably near balanced me. And Effexor maybe I was Fast 2 or 3. Then slow . After PFS and lying in bed maybe I was slow 3 or 4. But that was temp. I didn't test those times and can only speculate. Overweight kid probably pretty slow. Felt like crap several years before 16 when I lost 70lb cuz I had enough.
-Overweight slow. Depressed pretty good (then over time pretty bad) fitness slowing and slower, insomnia and hypo and hyper, fast? SKinny and very hyper and on very drugs ? super fast? I don't know dude.
And skinny, Fast.. and strong slower...
I don't know. But neither ARL was super fast nor TEI super slow. Tei slow 1.
All the things I do should make a person faster. Fasted training, ran like 8 years or so, lifted like 14. Cold showers, dressing like it's Haiwaii in Canada, coffee/stims at times (not during Tei but I mean historically). Looks fairly balanced but not the best, can be healthier a bit.
By the way look very ripped on water fast.
In eating food less bloated than last time after fast and way way less (like near zero compared to) after first water fast in Jan.
Some stomach expansion is normal (not bloating) but look fuller after eating in normal times right ? Goes down as food is digested and look in shape. Look more in shape fasting tho. Gotta eat tho at times.
A lot of physical activity and regimented eating over years probably near balanced me. And Effexor maybe I was Fast 2 or 3. Then slow . After PFS and lying in bed maybe I was slow 3 or 4. But that was temp. I didn't test those times and can only speculate. Overweight kid probably pretty slow. Felt like crap several years before 16 when I lost 70lb cuz I had enough.
-Overweight slow. Depressed pretty good (then over time pretty bad) fitness slowing and slower, insomnia and hypo and hyper, fast? SKinny and very hyper and on very drugs ? super fast? I don't know dude.
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