PFS almost cured

[Helen]

@tanedout Half life of fin is 4-7 hours. So when you take fin, today one dosages and then quit. you will have higher DHT levels for a week as a bounce back effect

basically you mimic the periods of high DHT supersexuality by doing this. but not once , but many times over.

When people come off fin they feel supersexual, and then crash, since there is not enough time to be in this supersexual position.

with doing this route, you repeat this super sexual thing over and over and over again. until body accepts it.

this is what PFStinks is doing. take one dosage and then nothing for a week, then again one dosage and nothing

this way you dont cause upregulation of the AR. and at the same time create this spikes of DHT, during which, your body downregulates AR expression more and more after each spike.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Very interesting. So now Ocguy is on the move. Jack17 is doing it w/ dutasteride. Hope to see some results here.

 

[Helen]

Very interesting. So now Ocguy is on the move. Jack17 is doing it w/ dutasteride. Hope to see some results here.

I mean it makes sense , right

The only thing I am super extra worried about is every single time you take FIN, you liver get more and more and more fucked. that is why it does not seems to be working for this guy from reddit. wateyr semen, wtf no orgasm, that is basically nothing fixed.

glucorinadation works on NIACIN guys.

 

[wuf]

These small DHT spikes downregulate AR density where DHT is. but then you will be still FUCKED with glucorindation problem,

this is why this kid that you mentioned still has watery semen, no orgasm, and weak orgasm, etc. since fin fucked his liver( the kid you mentioned on Reddit)

Joe, gets so excited about stuff LOL but this dude, that you mentioned @Boris, is basically still 50% sick after a year of doing this low fin, DHT spikes regimen

And we dont even know if he ever stopped it.

In this case he should take liver flush to cure the liver right?

 

[wuf]

I mean it makes sense , right

The only thing I am super extra worried about is every single time you take FIN, you liver get more and more and more fucked. that is why it does not seems to be working for this guy from reddit. wateyr semen, wtf no orgasm, that is basically nothing fixed.

glucorinadation works on NIACIN guys.

May è before to attempt this method we should first take care of the liver and prepare it?

 

[TubZy]

I mean it makes sense , right

The only thing I am super extra worried about is every single time you take FIN, you liver get more and more and more fucked. that is why it does not seems to be working for this guy from reddit. wateyr semen, wtf no orgasm, that is basically nothing fixed.

glucorinadation works on NIACIN guys.

Do we know the frequency of how much fin he took and how often? Maybe he took too much fin it didn't wait long enough in between

 

[Helen]

Do we know the frequency of how much fin he took and how often? Maybe he took too much fin it didn't wait long enough in between

we don't know that, but he got the supersexuality periods, before crash every time. so we know he was doing it right.

he would take it, then take nothing for 2 weeks, get supersexual period for about a week and crash, and he was doing this over and over and over again.

until the body got used to that supersexual period.


but I guess when AR got downregulated, some things got better, but some things were really bad. Like weak orgasm. watery semen, I mean that is the heart of PFS.


I guess some other systems are also fucked, like gaba, estro system etc.


that is why DHT is not the only thing which is low in CSF in PFS patients.

this is why it is important to have tests before you do something like that, so at least if this works, it could help others.

Otherwise this is all bs. dangerous guessing.




I wish these people tested their DHT or test levels, they might as well had low DHT for all we know.

 

[hairsuit]

I mean it makes sense , right

The only thing I am super extra worried about is every single time you take FIN, you liver get more and more and more fucked. that is why it does not seems to be working for this guy from reddit. wateyr semen, wtf no orgasm, that is basically nothing fixed.

glucorinadation works on NIACIN guys.

So could we do this, but continue with the liver flushes and coffee enemas? That could be beneficial, no?

 

[wuf]

we don't know that, but he got the supersexuality periods, before crash every time. so we know he was doing it right.

he would take it, then take nothing for 2 weeks, get supersexual period for about a week and crash, and he was doing this over and over and over again.

until the body got used to that supersexual period.


but I guess when AR got downregulated, some things got better, but some things were really bad. Like weak orgasm. watery semen, I mean that is the heart of PFS.


I guess some other systems are also fucked, like gaba, estro system etc.


that is why DHT is not the only thing which is low in CSF in PFS patients.

this is why it is important to have tests before you do something like that, so at least if this works, it could help others.

Otherwise this is all bs. dangerous guessing.




I wish these people tested their DHT or test levels, they might as well had low DHT for all we know.

HELEN, I know this is out of the contest but, since I quit HC I had one week of crash and after that I had an extra sexual period lasting 3 weeks where I was seriously thinking I was close to recovery, then 3 weeks ago I crashed hard again and I am in a downswing now... Could it be the same mechanism going on?
On the 3 weeks of supersexuality I had like 6 random boners everyday at work and just by texting to girls. Now after the crash I can see my skin became dry all over my body and also at the penis.. But I didn't managed with the DHT. What can it be in this case? I think it is not only depending by DHT cause I have experienced this just since 3 weeks ago by tapering off HC

 

[jacknap]

These small DHT spikes downregulate AR density where DHT is. but then you will be still FUCKED with glucorindation problem,

this is why this kid that you mentioned still has watery semen, no orgasm, and weak orgasm, etc. since fin fucked his liver( the kid you mentioned on Reddit)

Joe, gets so excited about stuff LOL but this dude, that you mentioned @Boris, is basically still 50% sick after a year of doing this low fin, DHT spikes regimen

And we dont even know if he ever stopped it.

what's your opinion on NAC to detox?

 

[Sawsides]

@wuf

We are not all the same, I just talked to Melcangi by phone 30 minutes ago, he also claimed it is not easy to find a specific cure since we are all different, well he said we have different groups of people.

How is Melcangi treating the PFS patients he sees ?

 

[Aflac94]

guys we should not steer this thread away from its point, may be some people would want to try low low dose Fin. like PFStinks

I could not understand how it could deal with overexpressed receptors, but now I think I understand

if you increase DHT very very slowly, then it gives time for the body to adjust AR expression.

but the dosage of Fin has to be super low.

.02 inhibits same as 5mg , so you’d have to go below .02 but there is no data to show linear dose response, so how could this be done

 

[Aflac94]

I think you need to take only one dose. and then go off. then one dose and go off for weeks.

the cure happens while DHT rises

the more periods of DHT rises you create, the more ARs will downregulate.


While DHT rises number of ARs have time to downregulate.

but if DHT rises quckly from very low to very high. there is no time to kill protein expression, and thus numbers of ARs stays, and methylation takes over.

i think this is also a problem of taking TOO MUCH dht, when people take it. DHT needs to be taken in slow amounts, and preferrable in ladder pattern

like low, higher higher higher.

NO. I and others crashed this way. I only ever took one low dose. Maybe 1mg or less. Felt like shit for a week. Then normals to awesome for 1 to 2 months. Then epic crash like you wouldn’t believe.

So after my one dose probably those enzymes got blocked for a month or two. The dissociation time is very slow.

My body makes new enzymes during the week after I pop the 1 mg fin pill. My DHT DOES slowly come back up ! And I’m good for as long as fin is still bound to the old enzymes in my body.

THEN fin finally dissociates from the old enzymes 1 to 2 months later and bang, my DHT shoots up thanks to those freed up enzymes and I crash wicked hard.


SO if you take one low does fin you could crash just as I did in the above story , assuming that’s what happened to me?????

 

[Aflac94]

I don’t see how this would work unless you keep taking fin. Once you stop for good there WILL be a DHT spike when dissociation occurs (see above)

I would say why not just take DHT cycles to accomplish the DHT spikes BUT that would not fix the other receptors. Because it’s not just the DHT that spiked, fin blocked the allopreg, the 5-alph cortisol metabolite. So those spiked TOO and their receptors are likely overexpressed and methylated , correct?

 

[Aflac94]

So really we want gradually increase DHT AND the other 5-alpha metabolites of progesterone and cortisol.

So we’d have to cycle allopregn and the cortisol metabolite too technically?

 

[Helen]

NO. I and others crashed this way. I only ever took one low dose. Maybe 1mg or less. Felt like shit for a week. Then normals to awesome for 1 to 2 months. Then epic crash like you wouldn’t believe.

So after my one dose probably those enzymes got blocked for a month or two. The dissociation time is very slow.

My body makes new enzymes during the week after I pop the 1 mg fin pill. My DHT DOES slowly come back up ! And I’m good for as long as fin is still bound to the old enzymes in my body.

THEN fin finally dissociates from the old enzymes 1 to 2 months later and bang, my DHT shoots up thanks to those freed up enzymes and I crash wicked hard.


SO if you take one low does fin you could crash just as I did in the above story , assuming that’s what happened to me?????

what is your DHT level( high or low) . read this thread , it is working for some people.

the whole idea is that you will crash if you take one dosage only, you have to keep taking it one dosage every too weeks.

guys that tried it also crashed after one dosage. but if you keep taking before the crash you dont crash.

Fin does not bind any enzymes, it binds NADPH. This is why it raises insulin when you take it


this is a dangerous route. And I don't promote it. I am just explaining it.

We have very few people trying this and we don't know what happens to them if they stop taking fin. You are right

since all those folks still taking fin. or duta. And we dont know the whole story. it could be that all this does is lower sDHT with FIN and stays in the system.


But I think my explanations are correct for why it could work.

I still think it is dangerous, since we don't know a lot of things about FIN.

 

[Helen]

@Aflac94 yes, DHT is only 1 problem with fin. as we can see there are many hormones which are low in CSF of PFS patients, not just DHT.

This is why Walker and many others on Cdnuts protocol, fixed erections problems but did not fix gaba problems. or may be cortisol problems. etc


Allopregnenolone comes from progesterone.

 

[wuf]

@wuf


How is Melcangi treating the PFS patients he sees ?

He is not treating any patient.
I asked him to give me a cure but he still doesn't know how to act, already not enough studies...

 

[wuf]

@Aflac94 yes, DHT is only 1 problem with fin. as we can see there are many hormones which are low in CSF of PFS patients, not just DHT.

This is why Walker and many others on Cdnuts protocol, fixed erections problems but did not fix gaba problems. or may be cortisol problems. etc


Allopregnenolone comes from progesterone.

Starting fixing erection would be a very good start.

 

[bruschi11]

Dude...I would start with way less 1/4 of a tab is still a lot. Maybe make a liquid solution to get even smaller amount lol

Lol seriously.... everyone going this route should take no more than 0.1. Right?

We only want to micro dose this. I always hated when people say they taper off fin. Half, 1/4 they are all the same- just a super powerful drug.

Gotta go very very low.