Help! *Something* is Working!

[jinstewart]

Been trying to leave my "hopping around trying everything I don't understand" phase, which I think lots of us get into at the beginning. I'm hoping if I give a summary of things someone can point me to what I'm doing that's helping so I can either take full advantage or stop any potential harm or stilts. Bottom line is, a noticeable uptick in symptoms over the last week or so. Led to me attempting sex which I had successfully twice on Saturday.

Been following Cdsnuts' protocol mostly perfectly since the start of the year. Crash was October 2018, took 9 pills of 1mg fin over a month prior. Finished first R-Andro cycle a couple of weeks ago. Only this last week stopped the herb rotation, in favour of the below and Apr1989's approach; thought I'd give it a try. Paleo diet but not fully carb-backloading, do eat carbs during the day but not huge amounts (potatoes and white rice mostly.) Functional nutritionist has me on probiotics following Geneva Diagnostics parasitology tests only showed low lactobacillus of some sort.

Supps:
AM:
Broccoli smoothie
Bile Acid Factors
Betaine HCL
Vitamin C
Colostrum (will drop shortly)
Shilajit
Wobenzym
Schisandra powder
Zinc and Selenium complex
Probiotic following Geneva results
TUDCA as of 10/3/19
Also *would* be herb of the day, but been alternating Boron (12mg) and Tongkat Ali as I've JUST stopped the first week of Apr1989's Tribulus cycles, which I intend to do for a few months:
Update: still cured, raging libido for the last four years

With meals:
Betaine HCL, Viridian digestive aid, Bile acid factors

PM:
Magnesium Malate
Bacopa
Collagen
Vitamin B complex
NAC
Sodium Butyrate as of 3/3/19

(All supps within daily recommended doses if they come with them.)

Diet is paleo, around 2.5-3k calories /day. I'll also get 6 eggs in /day plus dessicated egg whites instead of a protein shake. Broccoli I eat like a lunatic, I think legit half my food intake is broccoli or kale, and often spinach. I drink beet juice at about 500ml/day too, plus 2-4 apples each day.

Exercise is weights each weekday night, HIIT 2x /week (rowing machine or sprints 10 minutes/a few sets.)

The first week of Apr1989's cycle ended last week, I felt a bit bad at the start and increasing the dosage, but dropping it lower things seemed to improve. And then kept on going. Somewhere in here I'm doing something right. Anybody got an idea? Can I help it along? Should I stop it?

Thank you anyone passing for ANY advice or pointers!

 

[Helen]

just create a log and do it in your log.

you are taking zinc magnesium plus b vitamins. a tons of other stuff. It helped a lot of people. Pyroluria treatment,

you just ended the andro cycle which has a snap back


if it is working keep doing it )) HAHA

you are attacking this from all angles)) hahaha

 

[jinstewart]

just create a log and do it in your log.

you are taking zinc magnesium plus b vitamins. a tons of other stuff. It helped a lot of people

you just ended the andro cycle which has a snap back


if it is working keep doing it )) HAHA

I love you and anything you post, thank you.

EDIT - I'm logging things on propeciahelp - I'm almost sorry to bring that up because I know there's something in an unhappiness between propeciahelp and a lot of places, but I'm not 100% on why. Either way, it's there and public; my thinking was if I solve things then great, if I mess things up then cautionary tale, but anyone can see what I've done. Hope that's ok but I've no problem pasting it all up here too and doubling up. Thread is: Jin Stewart Kills PFS

 

[bruschi11]

Keep going !!!! That’s it man. Keep on going!!!

APR1989 trib cycles was first thing I tried from severe, broken Cfs/pfs in early ‘17. Helped dick but Cfs was too bad to continue.

APR1989 finally came back to the forum. He was banned for writing his story. Lol I guess he pleaded with awor, mew, axoloti to let him come back?

It’s just incredible that people aren’t aloud to talk about getting better over on that freakin website. The guys that run that shit have a spot in hell waiting for them no doubt in my mind. They have blood on their hands.

 

[bruschi11]

But keep writing there @jinstewart ! They can’t stop you if you’re extremely polite and don’t argue with moderators at all. That site NEEDS good stories cuz their are so many suicidal people over there.

 

[jinstewart]

Keep going !!!! That’s it man. Keep on going!!!

APR1989 trib cycles was first thing I tried from severe, broken Cfs/pfs in early ‘17. Helped dick but Cfs was too bad to continue.

APR1989 finally came back to the forum. He was banned for writing his story. Lol I guess he pleaded with awor, mew, axoloti to let him come back?

It’s just incredible that people aren’t aloud to talk about getting better over on that freakin website. The guys that run that shit have a spot in hell waiting for them no doubt in my mind. They have blood on their hands.

I also love you very much, thanks - in fact your story is pretty much an inspiration to anyone struggling.

I'll start another Apr1989 tribulus cycle next week, to do them "by the book", and do three of each "strength" before increasing. I didn't do the triptorelin as my testosterone (not free test ofc thanks to high shbg) was perfectly mid-range. I've spuffed some of that now ofc having sex all morning Saturday, but hoping the Tongkat and abstinence will regenerate that for next Monday.

But keep writing there @jinstewart ! They can’t stop you if you’re extremely polite and don’t argue with moderators at all. That site NEEDS good stories cuz their are so many suicidal people over there.

I shall do, I know fundamentally we're ALL dying to get better and threads with recoveries or even improvements (so long as nobody's doing anything nuts) are solid gold, especially to folks in that early desperate period. That still unites us across the fora, I definitely believe it.

Glad I can be here, even as a non-medical noob and still get assistance (thank you all SO much.) I'm trying to not tread on toes, but still, also here dying for that old life back.

Cheers again, will log this and keep going on the tribulus cycles and the NAC/TUDCA/Sodium Butyrate (those being the newer additions.)

 

[ncsugrad]

I can relate to a lot of what you're saying... especially the jumping all over the place trying to find a "fix" in the beginning as I kept researching and finding more ideas.

I think I've settled into Tribulus cycles for now though. God I felt so good 2-3 days after I started Tribulus, it was incredible. FINALLY I didn't go numb during sex. Results dropped off though and I finished the first cycle a few days ago. Going to start another one at the end of the week.

What are the details of the cycle you're doing? I saw a few posts over "there" that talked about low dose and high dose Tribulus cycles, etc. but wasn't sure really where to start so I was doing the low dose one.

 

[jinstewart]

I can relate to a lot of what you're saying... especially the jumping all over the place trying to find a "fix" in the beginning as I kept researching and finding more ideas.

I think I've settled into Tribulus cycles for now though. God I felt so good 2-3 days after I started Tribulus, it was incredible. FINALLY I didn't go numb during sex. Results dropped off though and I finished the first cycle a few days ago. Going to start another one at the end of the week.

What are the details of the cycle you're doing? I saw a few posts over "there" that talked about low dose and high dose Tribulus cycles, etc. but wasn't sure really where to start so I was doing the low dose one.

Cycle I sketched out based on Apr1989's drafts of it. Made a spreadsheet for the fridge too. This is mine: Jin Stewart Kills PFS

Actually I felt pretty crappy on the tribulus at the start, but as it dropped down I improved, then seemed to carry on. I did add a couple things though about that time (NAC and TUDCA and Sodium Butyrate.)

Apr1989 does randomly say thought that sometimes he took 12-15 pills /day, but I'll see how far these cycles take me. In the 'off weeks' I'll do some herb rotations. His outlines can be found here: Update: still cured, raging libido for the last four years and here: No more suicides, no more disease, I BELIEVE I FOUND A CURE

DID also ponder chucking down a weak Saw Palmetto tablet too once a month or once fortnightly just following tribulus cycles. I'll see if I grow balls enough for that...

Needless to say I'll post EVERYTHING if it cures me (and ESPECIALLY if I get worse) and in NAUSEATING detail - hopefully do the cause some good.

 

[Helen]

Cycle I sketched out based on Apr1989's drafts of it. Made a spreadsheet for the fridge too. This is mine: Jin Stewart Kills PFS

Actually I felt pretty crappy on the tribulus at the start, but as it dropped down I improved, then seemed to carry on. I did add a couple things though about that time (NAC and TUDCA and Sodium Butyrate.)

Apr1989 does randomly say thought that sometimes he took 12-15 pills /day, but I'll see how far these cycles take me. In the 'off weeks' I'll do some herb rotations. His outlines can be found here: Update: still cured, raging libido for the last four years and here: No more suicides, no more disease, I BELIEVE I FOUND A CURE

DID also ponder chucking down a weak Saw Palmetto tablet too once a month or once fortnightly just following tribulus cycles. I'll see if I grow balls enough for that...

Needless to say I'll post EVERYTHING if it cures me (and ESPECIALLY if I get worse) and in NAUSEATING detail - hopefully do the cause some good.

you are taking way more stuff than tribulous

you are taking regimen which helped to feel better MarioVitaly and tons of other people on here.

Tons of people feel better and almost cured on NAC.

since to get to cysteine you need methylation, and some people dont have methylation,

 

[Helen]

When I gave cysteine to Scenes , he felt recovered within days.)) And tons of other people reacted to NAC the same way.

Cysteine is needed to make zinc finger, connect AR to ARE. without cysteine there is no connection.

 

[Helen]

this is why when you took tribulus you felt bad. since it increased your 5AR by increasing NADPH

and since you dont have cysteine, this caused oxidative stress and less cortisol availability.

the minute you added Cysteine, cortisol started to work, and increasing 5AR was ok.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Nice @jinstewart

I would keep it going for a while and test how you feel off everything.

 

[ncsugrad]

So, should I try NAC as well? Or would you need more details on my case?

 

[blindsided]

I 100% believe APR1989's Trib story. I attempted this route within the first year of my crash following the exact protocol that APR1989 laid out, including the "mega dosing". I used MediHerb Trib just like APR did. I spent over $1000 on 15+ bottles just to have in case it worked. Didn't do much for me and still have a few bottles left. This was over 2 years ago.

I've been running CDs protocol for over a year and my body is in a different place than it was when I tried Trib last time, so maybe I would respond differently now. The fact that it helped APR means that it could help someone else. Probably need to get very lucky, but you won't know unless you try.

Best of luck.

 

[joekool]

Keep up the good work @jinstewart
Don’t change a thing nor over think it. Try to let the relaxation and prayers help too.

Even a few points improvements here and there can help you as well as others.

Thank you for this post

 

[cappello7]

When I gave cysteine to Scenes , he felt recovered within days.)) And tons of other people reacted to NAC the same way.

Cysteine is needed to make zinc finger, connect AR to ARE. without cysteine there is no connection.

If I’m doing TEI should I still consider also supplementing NAC or even glutathione?

 

[RebelWithACause]

If I’m doing TEI should I still consider also supplementing NAC or even glutathione?

No dude no extra supplements

 

[bruschi11]

No dude no extra supplements

I disagree @cappello7 . I don’t care what anyone says here... as we balance we can try and toss some aminos in.

@Raincoast did and look what happened to him.

I wouldn’t use glutathione because it feeds end of pathway that we are trying to fix. We don’t want to feed end products.

But you could try something like histidine/serine Verry small amounts with meals.

I get it- we want tei and ARL to be run perfectly, but we have pfs. It sucks. If there are a few added aminos to diet and only used for short time it can’t hurt u.

Go on search bar and look up copper-gcu and zinc finger threads. I’m sorry but these aminos have helped a lot of people here.

 

[RebelWithACause]

I disagree @cappello7 . I don’t care what anyone says here... as we balance we can try and toss some aminos in.

@Raincoast did and look what happened to him.

I wouldn’t use glutathione because it feeds end of pathway that we are trying to fix. We don’t want to feed end products.

But you could try something like histidine/serine Verry small amounts with meals.

I get it- we want tei and ARL to be run perfectly, but we have pfs. It sucks. If there are a few added aminos to diet and only used for short time it can’t hurt u.

Go on search bar and look up copper-gcu and zinc finger threads. I’m sorry but these aminos have helped a lot of people here.

Yes I think you do not have to be 100% strict but the less strict you are the longer it will take. e.g. taking less dosages, adding small things in, etc.

And if you take something that influences your hairtest A LOT you will get fucked.

The reason people do a hair test is so they have something to work with.

For most people the best thing would be go on TEI and don't do anything else since all the rest will add confusion and make errors more likely to happen.

 

[bruschi11]

Yes I think you do not have to be 100% strict but the less strict you are the longer it will take. e.g. taking less dosages, adding small things in, etc.

And if you take something that influences your hairtest A LOT you will get fucked.

The reason people do a hair test is so they have something to work with.

For most people the best thing would be go on TEI and don't do anything else since all the rest will add confusion and make errors more likely to happen.

Yup. That’s how I see it really. Be strict, hold yourself accountable to not stray from the program too much.

But little things that can be given a 3 day to a week trial to see how you respond can be worth it. You’ll never know what is out there that can make drastic change for the good.

I think more people here should include fasting with tei. Just makes so much sense to me. With tei you’re body can get toxic if detox organs aren’t working too great still.

Throw in a fast and body will eat up toxins. Fast weekends or something for like a month straight like RWAC did this past summer.

Body is incredible what it can do for itself especially when it has the correct nutrients propelling it.