Bulletproof Gut Protocol - Questions, Comments, Experiences

[Canari]

lol you are specialised in topics going off topic! Almost nothing is left from the initial topic, and that would be so great to keep this topic for results and trials!
Why not cut it in 2 and leave the few posts that are about the portocol?

Like I mentioned in prior posts, I came across this protocol from a site/blog called
animalpharm .. but that site is a graveyard now.. a lot of the posts have been deleted etc.. but u can research yourself.. it's basically prebiotics, resistant starch, probiotics.. and wheat grass (high orac value) to supercharge the feeding of your microbiome.. everybody agrees, probiotics help, prebiotics help etc.. we're just putting them all together in one drink

Can you tell what is orac value?
Can it be done with only some ingredients, if they all have the same purpose….

Do you know the Nemechek protocol? I wanted to try the inuline… Basically that is what he says, that the effect of inuline is pushing back the bacterias to the place were they belong, the colon... It is with only inuline for the gut, but then he also uses omega 3 and olive oil.

 

[Canari]

For the rest of the topic off topic lol...

Just for the record lipase enzyme: of 10 U/L [ref. 0-67]

Amylase: 99 U/L [ref. 0-100]

"Are there more members with similair fat-related problems that have amylase or lipase values?"

... also taking great interest to the Vit A is toxic theory lately.

I also take it seriously but it can vary, for me I think I have a problem only with caroten.

I seem to be ok with fats, and my lipase is 43,4
I eat no carbs, and my amylase is 100 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really wondering why….

eat some veggies, they have fiber and magnesium.

Fat in the gut decreases absorbtion of magnesium. and calcium etc. Magnesium Metabolism and its Disorders

Mg and Ca are my minerals with the best level in my htma. I eat pretty high fat, so I wonder what you mean with "fat in the gut", because I obviously have fat in mine.... but do you mean "undigested fat in the gut"?

Strange that because they say more fat is better for fast oxi .. and yet it decreases ca and mg absorption .. hmm

You noted as me, thus I think he means when we do not digest the fat properly?

 

[gaivs]

There was a guy called Josh Abrhams that allegedly cured himself correcting gut issues. He had a site and sold a book, but he seems to have disappeared from the internet. His protocol, as I remember, was basicly bone broth, fermented foods like sauerkraut, the probiotic prescript assist and avoiding some foods like dairy and gluten. He believed thet root cause of PFS was leaky gut.

I didn't try it because the main part of the protocol (bone broth and fermented foods) was not easy to get for me. But what do you think about PFS being caused or at least the cure of PFS being blocked by gut problems?

 

[Niles]

I think that many if not most of us with PFS had some kind of metabolic disorder pre-fin, often undiagnosed, and then fin sent our systems crashing even further out of balance, including digestion. The reason people get stuck is because metabolism can't correct because digestion is fucked, and digestion is fucked because metabolism is fucked. So if you make interventions to correct digestion, then it's possible to start absorbing the nutrients needed to correct metabolism. A lot of chronic illness success stories start with correcting digestion, because it puts your body in a good place to start building itself back up into a balance.

But of course there could be dozens of other confounding factors for any given case, so some are more stuck than others.

 

[bruschi11]

I think that many if not most of us with PFS had some kind of metabolic disorder pre-fin, often undiagnosed, and then fin sent our systems crashing even further out of balance, including digestion. The reason people get stuck is because metabolism can't correct because digestion is fucked, and digestion is fucked because metabolism is fucked. So if you make interventions to correct digestion, then it's possible to start absorbing the nutrients needed to correct metabolism. A lot of chronic illness success stories start with correcting digestion, because it puts your body in a good place to start building itself back up into a balance.

But of course there could be dozens of other confounding factors for any given case, so some are more stuck than others.

Agreed.

 

[5 alpha]

@joekool Now lets look at Jack17's case.

the guy has high DHT, high test, typical slow oxidizer.

He takes dutasteride. and feels totally recovered. totally free of all symptoms.

His 5AR goes down on Dutasteride. He feels recovered while inihbiting 5AR. while on it.


question is This. Do fin and dutasteride, just kills 5AR by some mechanism, or they kill NADPH.

So lets just consider 2 variants.


1) if they kill 5AR by some mechanism, then testosterone goes up, and estrogen goes up, and allopregnenolone goes down, and 3 adiol goes down since these are dependant of 5 ar. , the last 2 switch off gaba.

So in this case we can imagine that gaba receptor will get overexpressed.

and then when you come off the drug you start hitting this high gaba. which increases prolactin, suppresses dopamine and acetycholine release, and prolactin tells the body to retain calcium.

Since calcium is being retained, body has to switch off estrogen, since estrogen also lowers dopamine and converts it to noradrenaline and increases prolactin. And also retains calcium.

but if GABA is already doing this. then estrogen gets closed. and you get unavailable copper.and no estrogen action .


2) second variant, is if Dutasteride, and Finasteride kills NADPH production.

then this will effect aromatase like crazy, and estrogen receptor will overexpress.

And then people feel estrogen even without estrogen being high and SHBG goes up

similar to those who crashed and got PFS from aromatase inhibitors.



So from Jack17 case, we learned this.

Helen,

If someone had PFS due to the second variant scenario how does taking an aromatase inhibitor after already having PFS and getting worse come into play? I ask because after having PFS I took a prescription strength aromatase inhibitor and got worse. The sexual sides all got worse. And before taking the aromatase inhibitor by estrogen and SHBG were high as in flagged high well over the labs reference range...

Im thinking that if my estrogen receptors were over expressed or up-regulated than why would inhibiting estrogen production have made me worse. I am thinking that my experience increases the likely hood that the first scenario that you described is the explanation on how fin and dut actually inhibit DHT. I have always wondered about the exact mechanism through which these drugs inhibit DHT. To bad we did not have access to a merk scientist. Maybe we need to get someone in on the inside haha like some SPY type stuff.... Helen you seem qualified can you apply for a job with merk???

 

[bruschi11]

Helen,

If someone had PFS due to the second variant scenario how does taking an aromatase inhibitor after already having PFS and getting worse come into play? I ask because after having PFS I took a prescription strength aromatase inhibitor and got worse. The sexual sides all got worse. And before taking the aromatase inhibitor by estrogen and SHBG were high as in flagged high well over the labs reference range...

Im thinking that if my estrogen receptors were over expressed or up-regulated than why would inhibiting estrogen production have made me worse. I am thinking that my experience increases the likely hood that the first scenario that you described is the explanation on how fin and dut actually inhibit DHT. I have always wondered about the exact mechanism through which these drugs inhibit DHT. To bad we did not have access to a merk scientist. Maybe we need to get someone in on the inside haha like some SPY type stuff.... Helen you seem qualified can you apply for a job with merk???

Merck has no idea what happened to us. Like zero idea. Scientists included.

 

[5 alpha]

Merck has no idea what happened to us. Like zero idea. Scientists included.

no...but if we did have someone in on the inside we could possible find out if the makers of the drug even know the exact way that the drug inhibits DHT if they even know. Of course I am mostly j/k because this would be almost impossible to do on a practical level

imagine sitting at a table on your lunch break with a handful of people who actually made this drug and picking their brains on what they do and do not know

anyone good at resume writing? I am good at bull shitting so lets write me a resume and I will go in and steal info and take their ass out from the inside haha

 

[Ocguy]

lol you are specialised in topics going off topic! Almost nothing is left from the initial topic, and that would be so great to keep this topic for results and trials!
Why not cut it in 2 and leave the few posts that are about the portocol?

Can you tell what is orac value?
Can it be done with only some ingredients, if they all have the same purpose….

Do you know the Nemechek protocol? I wanted to try the inuline… Basically that is what he says, that the effect of inuline is pushing back the bacterias to the place were they belong, the colon... It is with only inuline for the gut, but then he also uses omega 3 and olive oil.

Orac value just means antioxidants.. some good gut microbes like polyphenols... it gives the drink an added kick

Yes I'm familiar with nemecheck.. it's very basic.. pretty much just inulin, omega 3

This protocol is much more comprehensive.. youre getting 2 major resistant starches.. rs1 and rs2

FOS in this protocol IS inulin.. u can also use GOS, like bimuno,

 

[Canari]

Thanks! I have a few questions for understanding the use of more tan inuline… I also wonder if we need them all, or if some can be beneficial and others not for everybody…. and how can we know!
My idea about starting with inulin only was to test my reaction...
Do you have experience with enough people to have seen a variety of reactions?

I can tell you my experience with prebiotics in general, and what I can guess… I am now on a reduced diet, almost no plants, that I am not religious about, as I think diversity is what allowed humanity to thrive, the capacity to eat many diets. Reducing choice is a start, whatever you suppress, buying time to get better and re-introduce other foods.

- I have never liked to eat RS, such as al dente rice (which was what they found to eat starch and keep a steady blood sugar, thanks to the RS).
- I always wondered how could people eat a banana that was not sweet and melting in the mouth….
- When I was still eating carbs, I 1st got better by suppressing gluten, but it was not enough after a few years. I needed to super cook the starch and also to eat it very slowly and keep it a long time in the mouth. Eating fast would result in a very different "weight" in my stomach.
- Some carbs were looking for me as the best way to accompagny a big piece of butter! I would even eat more butter than the volume of the baked potato!
- Eating carbs resulted in being super hungry 2 hours later.

...of course if I do not eat RS but only super cooked starch!
I know for long that we make SCFA in the colon, but as far as I know, no more than 500 Kcal a day, because we do not have a colon as long as a gorilla's!

The good news for me is that I can stand onion and garlic, it it does not seem to be a fodmap problem.
I also seem to be able to have chicory drink and I have some yacon in the garden. I have not noticed anything bad from it, but I stayed cautious with the quantities.

So, for daring to take RS... and not only the other prebiotic types, I'd need to know a bit more about them and their necessity, or if it is better to introduce them slowly, one after the other…

I was interested by the theory I read from nemechek, but I agree it is not enough as he himself says that only inulin Will likely be enough only for children and not adults. The theory I like is about "pushing the microbs back to where they belong, the colon". I sometimes have a pain at the junction between the 2 guts = a palm width below the right ribs.

 

[Canari]

Yerba prima psyllium powder (unflavored)
Raw banana flour (wedo or brand similar)
Nutra flora prebiotic ( Fos) OR Bimuno (GOS) OR Inulin

Amazing grass green powder ( BERRY flavor)
Powder probiotic (vsl3 or garden of life intensive or solary probiotic powder)
Optional - SBO organisms (garden of life or Code-age)
Mason jar or any water container with a big mouth and lid

Add 1 tblsp psyllium, 1 tblsp banana flour , 1 serving of FOS , 1 serving of amazing grass, 1 serving of probiotic to mason jar with 1 pint of water, screw cap and shake vigorously , drink down quick.

I have looked at the products….
And found nice informations about the useful use of both RS 1 and 2! Ad also the use of inulin or FOS or GOS is needed.
Resistant Starch: It’s Not All Sunshine and Roses ~ The Paleo Mom

So about the 3 main ingredients:
Psyllium Will bring RS 1 and raw banana the RS 2
And it is ot a good idea to take RS 2 without the RS 1
FOS GOS or inuline Will avoid to lose some precious bugs, so this is needed absolutely too.

Now I would like to know if it is possible to avoid the green powder, as I am personally not ok with some ingredients…

Also some Amazon clients let know 1) change of quality 2) that in includes maltodextrin and citric acid, not listed in the ingredients but in in the "antioxidant blend" section. Citric acid is super industrial and not as nice as it sounds.

What part is important? The 15 000 ORAC per serving? (Oxigen Radical Absorbtion Capacity) Then let's find something here...
Top 100 High ORAC Value Antioxidant Foods
A bit of clove, cinnamon, turmeric, cacao poder and açai berries?

 

[Ocguy]

I have looked at the products….
And found nice informations about the useful use of both RS 1 and 2! Ad also the use of inulin or FOS or GOS is needed.
Resistant Starch: It’s Not All Sunshine and Roses ~ The Paleo Mom

So about the 3 main ingredients:
Psyllium Will bring RS 1 and raw banana the RS 2
And it is ot a good idea to take RS 2 without the RS 1
FOS GOS or inuline Will avoid to lose some precios bugs, so this is needed absolutely too.

Now I would like to know if it is possible to avoid the green poder, as I am personally not ok with some ingredients…

Also some Amazon clients let know 1) change of quality 2) that in includes maltodextrin and citric acid, not listed in the ingredients but in in the "antioxidant blend" section. Citric acid is super industrial and not as nice as it sounds.

What part is important? The 15 000 ORAC per serving? (Oxigen Radical Absorbtion Capacity) Then let's find something here...
Top 100 High ORAC Value Antioxidant Foods
A bit of clove, cinnamon, turmeric, cacao poder and açai berries?

If u want to modify grass powder Orac foods that's fine.. I like amazing grass because it's pretty diverse in its own right.

Not following your b flour concern
your system will not break it down and react poorly.. this is the reason why it's all mixed together.. it just feeds the microbes.. this is why people who drink this no longer react poorly to any one of these ingredients by itself

 

[Canari]

If u want to modify grass powder Orac foods that's fine.. I like amazing grass because it's pretty diverse in its own right.

Not following your b flour concern
your system will not break it down and react poorly.. this is the reason why it's all mixed together.. it just feeds the microbes.. this is why people who drink this no longer react poorly to any one of these ingredients by itself

I do not understand about "b flour"...

About feeding the microbs, well it should feed them in the colon, but when we have them in the upper gut… they Will feed there! Ths is why I ended up with a diet with no fiber and no carbs or almost, and I felt so much better!

About "modifying" Grass poder, do you mean that any high ORAC ingredient is what I must look for? Or is there something else in this poder, that is needed?
Actually I seem to react to caroten, so to greens and clorela and orange carots….
And I do super good on purple anti-oxidants!

 

[Ocguy]

I do not understand about "b flour"...

About feeding the microbs, well it should feed them in the colon, but when we have them in the upper gut… they Will feed there! Ths is why I ended up with a diet with no fiber and no carbs or almost, and I felt so much better!

About "modifying" Grass poder, do you mean that any high ORAC ingredient is what I must look for? Or is there something else in this poder, that is needed?
Actually I seem to react to caroten, so to greens and clorela and orange carots….
And I do super good on purple anti-oxidants!

You won't react to the gut drink, I promise
. You won't be feeding the microbes in the upper gi.. that's why it's mixed all together, sure they might munch on it but they'll be stuck to it like flypaper.. leave the gut drink out for an hour, you'll see what I mean.. it's turns into slime.
Use the berry flavor green powder it tastes way better with the drink, and yea the high orac is what supercharges the feeding on the lower colon.. don't need to overthink this.

 

[Canari]

I am looking for the ingredients, as your links are for the most impossible from Europe.

About the green powder, it seems that I have a problem with carotens. So with greens! Thus resulting in what is for you an "overthinking"... Maybe the slime makes it impossible for the body to absorb anything of it?

But I am very conscious that in general, we cannot modify a recipe without ruining it! Except sometimes if we understand it perfectly... I know it when I tell somebody "I told you that…" and the person answers "Yes but I thought that…"!

If I can find something that do the job and without all this green… that would be perfect!

 

[Ocguy]

I am looking for the ingredients, as your links are for the most impossible from Europe.

About the green powder, it seems that I have a problem with carotens. So with greens! Thus resulting in what is for you an "overthinking"... Maybe the slime makes it impossible for the body to absorb anything of it?

But I am very conscious that in general, we cannot modify a recipe without ruining it! Except sometimes if we understand it perfectly... I know it when I tell somebody "I told you that…" and the person answers "Yes but I thought that…"!

If I can find something that do the job and without all this green… that would be perfect!

Yea exactly, the slime won't let u absorb any of the greens.. it's just food for the biome.. you wont react.

after you do the protocol for a few months you won't have any problem with greens on their own either..

 

[Potion]

...it's basically prebiotics, resistant starch, probiotics.. and wheat grass (high orac value)...

Do you think wheatgrass alone could substitute for the Amazing Grass green powder?

 

[Walker]

What was the verdict on running this with/alongside TEI? Honestly, without a gallbladder, I can use all the digestion help I can get to this day.

 

[Ocguy]

What was the verdict on running this with/alongside TEI? Honestly, without a gallbladder, I can use all the digestion help I can get to this day.

I'm running this with arl, it helps tremendously, pretty sure it's sped up the process

 

[Ocguy]

Do you think wheatgrass alone could substitute for the Amazing Grass green powder?

Do you think wheatgrass alone could substitute for the Amazing Grass green powder?

I would use the amazing grass.. u get a lot more variety of food/antioxidants and the wheat grass