Are we losing steam in finding cures?

[RebelWithACause]

Let's focus on the protocols instead of focussing on "but no one is talking about other protocols".

Talk about what? Do a protocol and log it. Then people will chime in and maybe even join in. Someone has to try it first.

I offered to buy the a1a blocker (silodyx) for people who could not buy it. But no one tried that either.

A lot of the protocols are untested, never tried.

I said from the beginning I want to give TEI a good shot so I can make an objective as possible conclusion if it works. I mean if this cures me it will be evidence and people don't have to worry or have the uncertainty they are wasting time.

This is why it is important people who are not doing a protocol need to keep trying stuff. Or do cdsnuts. If you get cured from cdsnuts that is +1 for cdsnuts.

 

[barbaar]

Trial trials, where you trial trials

Yo dawg I herd u like trials

 

[TubZy]

People are overthinking this too much. If you want to experiment, you can experiment with whatever you want, do whatever you want, post whatever you want.

Yes, the forum does focus around minerals and enzymes. TEI/ARL just happen to be on the safe methods that leverage that route. For example, before TEI, there was a giant electrolyte protocol thread (just search the forum for it) in which had nothing to do with going and TEI or ARL. The only reason people say TEI now is that many people here can't handle the experimentation route (perhaps risking of making themselves worse etc) which is fine so people say just go on TEI in which is safe and you are actually going off of something like a hair test for example. From a safety perspective, yes TEI and CD Nuts are the only ones approved.

There are loads of other protocols just look in the log section. You can do whatever protocol you want. The people pushing TEI are the same ones that had success with it so far, so you can't really blame them. I have no problems with people going TEI but for me personally, I like experimenting and not very patient so you can't really do both at the same time, but when I did do it I did notice improvements.

Ray Peat is just about increasing your thyroid and everything else is the devil. I mean just look at any thread there about a supplement or food that doesn't fit their narrative (like if its estrogenic or slows down metabolism, or fasting etc) it becomes a flame war and I know because I was involved in many of those threads hence why I left there.

I think the only real reason Peating gets a little traction is from Haidut who posts studies (which often clash with Peat himself sometimes like 5a-DHP). Haidut said himself that he can't even take thyroid and doesn't do well on it and has no idea why so what does that tell you that about the primary guy behind Peating?

 

[bruschi11]

People are overthinking this too much. If you want to experiment, you can experiment with whatever you want, do whatever you want, post whatever you want.

Yes, the forum does focus around minerals and enzymes. TEI/ARL just happen to be on the safe methods that leverage that route. For example, before TEI, there was a giant electrolyte protocol thread (just search the forum for it) in which had nothing to do with going and TEI or ARL. The only reason people say TEI now is that many people here can't handle the experimentation route (perhaps risking of making themselves worse etc) which is fine so people say just go on TEI in which is safe and you are actually going off of something like a hair test for example. From a safety perspective, yes TEI and CD Nuts are the only ones approved.

There are loads of other protocols just look in the log section. You can do whatever protocol you want. The people pushing TEI are the same ones that had success with it so far, so you can't really blame them. I have no problems with people going TEI but for me personally, I like experimenting and not very patient so you can't really do both at the same time, but when I did do it I did notice improvements.

Ray Peat is just about increasing your thyroid and everything else is the devil. I mean just look at any thread there about a supplement or food that doesn't fit their narrative (like if its estrogenic or slows down metabolism, or fasting etc) it becomes a flame war and I know because I was involved in many of those threads hence why I left there.

I think the only real reason Peating gets a little traction is from Haidut who posts studies (which often clash with Peat himself sometimes like 5a-DHP). Haidut said himself that he can't even take thyroid and doesn't do well on it and has no idea why so what does that tell you that about the primary guy behind Peating?

Perfectly well said.

 

[mbax44]

I think people just get frustrated. It’s exhausti suffering in the ways many do here for years and then you have people saying “it may take years to feel better on these hair mineral supps”. That’s if they even do anything for you at all. Life’s short. Too short to feel this way and then spending thousands on supplements that the practitioners tell you will take years to work. That’s brutal.

 

[Astral kid]

@Tar lol come on base and say that haha

 

[Tar]

@Tar lol come on base and say that haha

lol no thanks. Last thing I need is a bunch of vaccine damaged depressed roided up dudes with mean looks in their eyes.

this forum has new ideas and protocols daily. this is why this forum was created. TEI and Cdnuts are approved protocols and there are tons of experimentals ones, posted daily.

I have no idea what you are even talking about. We dont talk about TEI here daily at all.


ray peat forum? lol you are getting little pieces of correct info, which TEI tells you right off the bat. just based on your oxidation rate

You still dont get the program. It is not the program to make you feel better, while you are on it. for the first many years.

since they use minerals to chelate other minerals. Just get it.

they don;t substitute minerals.


but if you dont want to chelate then you can easily use HTMA to makes yourself better. just by diet alone.

ray peat forumers were making themselves toxic in copper iron vitamin A. and all other crap. by eating tons of liver , drinking tons of milk.


of course those people now go on low vit A low copper high zinc diet, and feel better. this is what I told them 2 years ago.

it is the exact same thing, as vegans when crashed going on carnivore diet, and feel better. then they will stay on carnivore, crash and go vegan again.

I see this over and over and over again.


here we based on HTMA learn biochemistry. at least that is what I do and all regulations.

stop talking about TEI and ARL as HTMA. HTMA is just a test. it has nothing to do with ARL or TEI. it is like a blood test.


and based on that test you know what is going on.

I think we are speaking past each other. You seem to address the points I don't make and respond to the things I don't say. Either way, my opinion is pretty clear. It would be cool if you could get your 40 people from your private room to talk about their experiences over 5 years on TEI. I am sure it would be helpful and I am always open to changing my opinion when new facts come in.

If I could sum it all up, it would be that when you are onto the correct action/supplement/whatever, results happen fast and people notice. Sometimes it may take years of tinkering and learning to get there, but when you finally find it, whatever it is, you feel the difference. Beware of people who make money from you and feed you the "it takes time" crap. TEI and ARL...maybe they are good at times...but they are PERFECTLY set up to string you along. I would be skeptical to the max. I only know this because I made the mistake of following Wilson for a couple years, then Peat for a couple more, etc etc. Good luck guys, I will be interested to see how TEI/ARL/HTMA is working in the next couple years.

 

[Helen]

lol no thanks. Last thing I need is a bunch of vaccine damaged depressed roided up dudes with mean looks in their eyes.


I think we are speaking past each other. You seem to address the points I don't make and respond to the things I don't say. Either way, my opinion is pretty clear. It would be cool if you could get your 40 people from your private room to talk about their experiences over 5 years on TEI. I am sure it would be helpful and I am always open to changing my opinion when new facts come in.

If I could sum it all up, it would be that when you are onto the correct action/supplement/whatever, results happen fast and people notice. Sometimes it may take years of tinkering and learning to get there, but when you finally find it, whatever it is, you feel the difference. Beware of people who make money from you and feed you the "it takes time" crap. TEI and ARL...maybe they are good at times...but they are PERFECTLY set up to string you along. I would be skeptical to the max. I only know this because I made the mistake of following Wilson for a couple years, then Peat for a couple more, etc etc. Good luck guys, I will be interested to see how TEI/ARL/HTMA is working in the next couple years.

what is there to find, buddy,. I can look at the hairtest and tell you what will make you feel better right away. . but it wont cure you, that is my point.

the thing is I can't tell everyone and work with them on personal basis.

this is why the thing that makes you feel btter , yes you will look for it for years, and I know it right way from HTMA
and then when it stops working, you will spend more years to find the next thing to balance

so yes it takes years to actual cure. and it takes a week to patch.


let say a person has gaba overexpression. that person can go on dutasteride and feel cured. but to cure gaba overexpression it might take 3 years.

this is the example for you .


this is what I told most of the ray peat people that most of them will end up chelating copper. and now more and more go on low copper vit a diet.

Which was obvious from day one.


Wilson has nothing to do with ARL. he makes up his own program, and detoxes you hard.

We already saw people who followed him and saw their results, from deep healing @Goose12 , folks cured post accutane syndrome, It was posted here many times. So I guess his program also works. but in my opinion it is much longer. and more sides since he starts chelating from day one.


Also if you are mercury toxic and sensitive to the waves. What are you going to do when 5g goes online. hide underground?

I was super sensitive to the waves. I could not even handle the phone when I was sick. I could not tolerate monitors. I was crashing from them , I was crashing in TV stores.

Now I have a wall of TVs in my office, and you can put 100s of phones onto my head, I don't react at all. since my brain is clear from metals.

 

[Astral kid]

lol no thanks. Last thing I need is a bunch of vaccine damaged depressed roided up dudes with mean looks in their eyes.

We don't do roids lol

 

[bruschi11]

Also if you are mercury toxic and sensitive to the waves. What are you going to do when 5g goes online. hide underground?

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Smh, I’m not ready for chelation yet but I will be in time. Might need your help, mercury toxic here and 5G is going up right in my city.

 

[hairsuit]

Smh, I’m not ready for chelation yet but I will be in time. Might need your help, mercury toxic here and 5G is going up right in my city.

Wyoming is lovely this time of year.....

 

[Aleksandr]

Interesting thread

@Helen one thing i noticed was that after i did those 4 or so liver flushes, my acne came back (mildly, luckily). Maybe i flushed some accutane out of my system?! I'm scared to do any more fearing that my acne will get worse. For now i'm sticking to TEI. Btw, my last test I was in 4 lows and back to a slow oxidiser

 

[RebelWithACause]

Since people talked about EMF here. On this cycle I notice I am fairly sensitive to all computers, WiFi and even phone. Before doing TEI never noticed it. Pretty crazy.

 

[Aleksandr]

@Helen can you say more about this chelation protocol you're on? What do you take? Will tei chelsie us?

@Boris I wonder if anavar makes you worse when you stop? Any idea?

 

[Admiral]

What's frustrating to me is how those who recovered from PFS have combatted their syndrome in such different ways. It makes me question each protocol I've tried. Some recover by anti biotics, some with anti fungals, some with herbs, some with vitamins, minerals or amino's, some with progesterone of different hormones, some with herbs or just a healthy diet in general. There's not always a link to be found.

 

[TubZy]

@Helen can you say more about this chelation protocol you're on? What do you take? Will tei chelsie us?

@Boris I wonder if anavar makes you worse when you stop? Any idea?

Not really for me, I just had agitation on the rebound which I assumed was from high cortisol but then I measured cortisol and it was normal so I'm not entirely sure what was causing it. So once that got back to normal, I wasn't worse or better just the same as before I started.

 

[bruschi11]

What's frustrating to me is how those who recovered from PFS have combatted their syndrome in such different ways. It makes me question each protocol I've tried. Some recover by anti biotics, some with anti fungals, some with herbs, some with vitamins, minerals or amino's, some with progesterone of different hormones, some with herbs or just a healthy diet in general. There's not always a link to be found.

Just proves the point that it’s not really treating pfs exactly that pulls people out. It’s treating the issues that the reaction to finasteride ended up causing.

And sometimes, like in my case, there are a bunch of issues that need to be cleared and dealt with. At the end of the day, once the issues are dealt with, it’s all about building up the body with nutrition I see it as.

No you don’t have to run tei, ARL and chelate hard . Just get rid of “the bad” and then build yourself up with incredible diet because your digestion is so good now.

 

[MNK99]

Just proves the point that it’s not really treating pfs exactly that pulls people out. It’s treating the issues that the reaction to finasteride ended up causing.

And sometimes, like in my case, there are a bunch of issues that need to be cleared and dealt with. At the end of the day, once the issues are dealt with, it’s all about building up the body with nutrition I see it as.

No you don’t have to run tei, ARL and chelate hard . Just get rid of “the bad” and then build yourself up with incredible diet because your digestion is so good now.

Same kind of inflammation manifesting differently due to genetics and environmental factors.

Same inflammation in different conditions may cause skin flare ups, joint pain, etc in different people.

Dr. Chaffee talks about this (a Carnivore, Neurosurgery resident).
Minerals... are powerful. It's true, PFS and other stuff is so multivaried and whatever is wrong with someone. IF someone is impulsive or can change things quickly in themselves, maybe it is better to stick to that shyt. Helen said, "of course" for most people, years ago to someone who asked that.